Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[AV1611VET]

If they use faulty dating methods, and AV1611VET knows this - without any training on the subject - this raises the question, are all Egyptologists then horribly incompetent or fraudulent?

Aren't we all?

 

[AV1611VET]

More than annoying, it's a sign of weakness and/or uncertainty. It validates the opinion that christianity has nothing to offer and needs to be shielded from even the most timid inquiry.

I don't see you hiding behind anything.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Which happened only on paper

Only on paper

Only on paper

Only on paper

Only on paper

I'd be careful with those statements. While I realize that AV's way of looking at the bible and then dealing with others on pertinent issues isn't your cup of tea, or mine, his "Independant Baptist" type of antipathy doesn't mean we all have automatic license to take a default epistemic "leap" and assume that whatever we find in the bible is all "only on paper." To say this in this way is to make a somewhat dubious statement.

It'd be an improvement to say to AV that it's very difficult to find corroboration via outside evidence for what we think we read in the bible.

 

[driewerf]

I don't see you hiding behind anything.

I don't need to hide. I expose my views and opinions to the sharpest criticism. If one of my views were to be shown to be wrong, I wouldn't be embarrassed but freed from a burden.

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't need to hide. I expose my views and opinions to the sharpest criticism. If one of my views were to be shown to be wrong, I wouldn't be embarrassed but freed from a burden.

Would you "shield [your children] from the most timid inquiry into Christianity"?

If so, what would happen if they saw you on the Internet making timid inquiries into Christianity?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Which happened only on paper

Only on paper

Only on paper

Only on paper

Only on paper

That's not quite fair. Some of it also comes on clay tablet.

 

[driewerf]

That's not quite fair. Some of it also comes on clay tablet.

I was actually wondering on what material the Qumran scrolls were written (if they count as Scripture, that is).

 

[driewerf]

Would you "shield [your children] from the most timid inquiry into Christianity"?

No.

If so, what would happen if they saw you on the Internet making timid inquiries into Christianity?

I don't make inquiries into christianity, neither timid nor bold ones.

 

[AV1611VET]

No.

I don't make inquiries into christianity, neither timid nor bold ones.

Fair enough.

I think I'll just take Post 999 with a grain of salt then.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I don't make inquiries into christianity, neither timid nor bold ones.

Which is a funny thing since....well....here you are, on CF!

I mean, "what up" with that? Can you imagine the silliness of someone saying, "....oh uh....yeah.....I just do CF......for the science?" I can't.

What I can imagine is someone saying that he makes inquiries into both Christianity and Atheism, bold ones even!

So, I do. Especially while being on CF.

 

[Astrid]

More than annoying, it's a sign of weakness and/or uncertainty. It validates the opinion that christianity has nothing to offer and needs to be shielded from even the most timid inquiry.

It is rude and dismissive, of course.

I've observed an extreme reluctance on the
part of our "yec' Christians to admit to
even the tiniest error. It doesn't even
have to be of any relevance to yec v ToE.
I've never seen a yec admit to any error.

I suppose a lot of FTR ( failure to
respond) is exactly as you suguest.

Nothing to offer.

If God, the angels, Bible and all of reality
were really on the side of yec, there'd be no
need to hide, FTR, or resort to shabbiness like
as misrepresentation, or lies from such as AIG.

 

[Astrid]

No.

I don't make inquiries into christianity, neither timid nor bold ones.

Yec, "embedded age" etc are not
Christianity.
They are chosen secondary beliefs
about enigmatic passages in the Bible.

If someone claimed that the Bible
proves pi-3, that is entirely supportable,
but it sure is ot true, or even sane.
And it's not "Chridtianity" no more than
it's inquiring into Christianity to point out
that Pi=3 is false. Or that yec is falsified
by the reality of the earth.
Those who insist on suchlike anyway
are slinging mud at a noble Faith.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Which is a funny thing since....well....here you are, on CF!

I mean, "what up" with that? Can you imagine the silliness of someone saying, "....oh uh....yeah.....I just do CF......for the science?" I can't.

I have written that sentence multiple times. (Though I often put a "pseudo" into it.) You should expand your imagination.

What I can imagine is someone saying that he makes inquiries into both Christianity and Atheism, bold ones even!

So, I do. Especially while being on CF.

I really wouldn't have any need to "inquire" into Christianity if people wouldn't continue injecting it into science without warrant.

(And there is nothing about "Atheism" that needs inquiries. All it entails is the non-believe in the various gods.)

 

[AV1611VET]

It is rude and dismissive, of course.

I can understand why academia would think that.

I've observed an extreme reluctance on the part of our "yec' Christians to admit to even the tiniest error.

That's what you want them to do, isn't it?

Just one little teensy-weensy mistake they made.

Uh-huh.

Then later, let them say we're all sinners, are tripartite by nature, Jesus walked on water, rose from the dead, or anything else, and watch that teensy-weensy get applied to every jot & tittle of the Bible.

It doesn't even have to be of any relevance to yec v ToE.

I know.

It doesn't have to be just creation.

It can be ANYTHING.

Just have someone admit that one book says Satan prompted David to number Israel ...

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

... while another says God did it ...

2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

... and there goes Christianity out the door.

I've never seen a yec admit to any error.

Good.

Why would an army give their adversary information on where their weak spots are?

(If they had any weak spots?)

Nothing to offer.

Maybe because they know what academia would do with that offering?

If God, the angels, Bible and all of reality were really on the side of yec, there'd be no need to hide, FTR, or resort to shabbiness like as misrepresentation, or lies from such as AIG.

Would you recognize a lie, if you heard it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I have written that sentence multiple times. (Though I often put a "pseudo" into it.) You should expand your imagination.

Yes, and so you have. I've noticed.

I really wouldn't have any need to "inquire" into Christianity if people wouldn't continue injecting it into science without warrant.

I see. Well then, at least you're not playing the Daniel Dennett card. That's admirable.

(And there is nothing about "Atheism" that needs inquiries. All it entails is the non-believe in the various gods.)

Oh, but Hans! My vain imagination has me jumping into the Rabbit Hole, even if just for the GRINS of getting a swing or four with a Vorpal Sword.

And yes, it positivistically floats my boat to do so.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yec, "embedded age" etc are not Christianity.

And you're not right.

 

[sjastro]

You must have me mixed up with someone else.

I haven't heard this one for a while.
This is one of your capitulation statements along with "Have a nice day" and "Merry Christmas".

 

[sjastro]

If they use faulty dating methods, and AV1611VET knows this - without any training on the subject - this raises the question, are all Egyptologists then horribly incompetent or fraudulent?

I could ask Chris Naunton the Egyptologist if he is horribly incompetent or fraudulent.
He might retaliate by putting a pharaoh's curse on AV.
Seriously I did ask him if he was subject to personal attacks by lunatic fundamentalists, the answer was fortunately no.
The astrophysicist Brian Koblerlein on the other hand has claimed he has been attacked for not towing the Bible line that the Earth is flat, the center of the universe and not older than 6000 years.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, and so you have. I've noticed.

I see. Well then, at least you're not playing the Daniel Dennett card. That's admirable.


Oh, but Hans! My vain imagination has me jumping into the Rabbit Hole, even if just for the GRINS of getting a swing or four with a Vorpal Sword.

And yes, it positivistically floats my boat to do so.

Here I thought were above any version of that
"This is a Christian forum so what are
you doing here" ( adjective deleted).

 

[AV1611VET]

The astrophysicist Brian Koblerlein on the other hand has claimed he has been attacked for not towing the Bible line that the Earth is flat, the center of the universe and not older than 6000 years.

Do you envy him?