Is YEC science? Is is even really a theory?

[dlamberth]

Peter made it up, did he?

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Notice he says they (end-times scoffers) are willingly ignorant?

Honestly, I don't see Embedded Age in the quoted script. Where do you see it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Still sulking over the pharaohs I see.
It must be disconcerting that;
(1) These pesky pharaohs were still building pyramids when they should have been wiped out by the great flood.
(2) By your own admission Thutmose I had the audacity of dying in 1482 BC when he should have died in 1491 BC as a victim of drowning according to Exodus.
(3) How dare Shishak a pharaoh be the first historically attested person in the Old Testament instead of Abraham, Moses, Noah etc.
(4) What about that ratfink the pharaoh Akhenaton being the first recorded individual to dabble in monotheism instead of Abraham.

1. Faulty dating methods.

2. I made no such admission. Post 502 says you're wrong. Let me quote from it:

It means that Thutmose II took over, NINE YEARS AFTER his predecessor was drowned in the Red Sea, trying to catch the Israelites, who were fleeing across on foot.

3. Shishak, if he was Egyptian, was born LONG AFTER his progenitor (Mizraim, Noah's great grandson) was born.

4. The first recorded individual to "dabble" in monotheism was Adam. The second: Eve. Want the whole list?

 

[AV1611VET]

Honestly, I don't see Embedded Age in the quoted script. Where do you see it?

"By the word of God the heavens were of old."

You can't see that?

Genesis 1 = God spoke and the heavens came into existence.

There's your "By the word of God".

God spoke.

Then Peter says the heavens were of old.

So God spoke, and the heavens came into existence old.

 

[sjastro]

1. Faulty dating methods.

Isn’t it a remarkable coincidence the various dating techniques used by archaeologists from thermo and optical luminescence dating of pottery to radiocarbon dating of bones, charcoal and papyrus give faulty dates of similar magnitude?

Even if we didn’t have the luxury of various dating techniques as a confirmation exercise, care to explain how archaeology has shown building activity continued uninterrupted in Egypt when its civilization would have been completely destroyed along with its inhabitants?
Then there are the Egyptian king lists which show a continuous line of succession of pharaohs.
The Egyptian civilization somehow miraculously recovered without apparently having to rediscover the art of writing, engineering, mathematics and medicine to name a few.

2. I made no such admission. Post 502 says you're wrong. Let me quote from it:

You are your own worst enemy.
Do I need to remind you in this thread not only did you claim the Exodus occurred in 1491 BC according to Ussher, but you “guessed” Thutmose’s II predecessor, Thutmose I as being the pharaoh of the Exodus.
You then went to create a new thread My Pharaoh Challenge where you stated categorically Thutmose I reigned from 1493-1482 BC.
Logically the Usher date cannot be right if Thutmose I was the pharaoh of the Exodus.
Also for someone who argues the dating methods are faulty why you created the thread in the first place is incomprehensible.

3. Shishak, if he was Egyptian, was born LONG AFTER his progenitor (Mizraim, Noah's great grandson) was born.

And here you display a complete breakdown in critical thinking.
Do understand what it means for Shishak to be historically attested?
It means his existence has been confirmed through archaeology.
Your counterargument is meaningless unless you can show Mizraim is also historically attested through archaeology.

4. The first recorded individual to "dabble" in monotheism was Adam. The second: Eve. Want the whole list?

The same argument applies.
Despite the fact the Egyptians attempted to erase Akhenaton and the monotheistic religion of Atenism from history, archaeology has shown otherwise.
You cannot even show Adam and Eve are historically attestable let alone monotheism started with Adam.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isn’t it a remarkable coincidence the various dating techniques used by archaeologists from thermo and optical luminescence dating of pottery to radiocarbon dating of bones, charcoal and papyrus give faulty dates of similar magnitude?

No, it sure isn't.

Even if we didn’t have the luxury of various dating techniques as a confirmation exercise, care to explain how archaeology has shown building activity continued uninterrupted in Egypt when its civilization would have been completely destroyed along with its inhabitants?

No.

Then there are the Egyptian king lists which show a continuous line of succession of pharaohs.
The Egyptian civilization somehow miraculously recovered without apparently having to rediscover the art of writing, engineering, mathematics and medicine to name a few.

These phantom pharaohs, did they happen to mention the Flood?

You then went to create a new thread My Pharaoh Challenge where you stated categorically Thutmose I reigned from 1493-1482 BC.

You must have me mixed up with someone else.

 

[Homeowner]

Like reading tea leaves. Or astrology.

AV prefers term sensus plenior to reading tea leaves. Everything sounds cooler and more authorative if it is in Latin. QED.

 

[AV1611VET]

AV prefers term sensus plenior to reading tea leaves. Everything sounds cooler and more authorative if it is in Latin. QED.

I'm glad you're impressed.

 

[Shemjaza]

I'm glad you're impressed.

It feels weird to use Latin for gravitas when your native language is much, much closer to the divine language as spoken in Eden and 17th century England.

 

[AV1611VET]

It feels weird to use Latin for gravitas when your native language is much, much closer to the divine language as spoken in Eden and 17th century England.

I only do it interdum.

 

[Kylie]

"By the word of God the heavens were of old."

You can't see that?

Genesis 1 = God spoke and the heavens came into existence.

There's your "By the word of God".

God spoke.

Then Peter says the heavens were of old.

So God spoke, and the heavens came into existence old.

At best, this just says that God made the heavens, and by the time of Peter, they were old. Nothing in there that limits them to 6000 years.

 

[AV1611VET]

At best, this just says that God made the heavens, and by the time of Peter, they were old. Nothing in there that limits them to 6000 years.

Oh.

 

[Hans Blaster]

At best, this just says that God made the heavens, and by the time of Peter, they were old. Nothing in there that limits them to 6000 years.

By the time of "Peter" wouldn't that be about 4200 years?

 

[Homeowner]

I'm glad you're impressed.

Your ability to read people is truly equal to your gift of ferreting out the scientific truths present in the Bible.

 

[driewerf]

Such as the Creation Week,

Which happened only on paper

the terraforming of the earth after the Flood,

Only on paper

the widow of Zarephath,

Only on paper

turning the water into wine,

Only on paper

the feeding of the 5000 and the 4000

Only on paper

 

[driewerf]

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1) These pesky pharaohs were still building pyramids when they should have been wiped out by the great flood.

1. Faulty dating methods.

If they use faulty dating methods, and AV1611VET knows this - without any training on the subject - this raises the question, are all Egyptologists then horribly incompetent or fraudulent?

 

[Astrophile]

Jesus began His ministry at the age of 30.

From there, factor in three Passover feasts.

Luke 3:23 says that Jesus was about 30 at the beginning of his ministry; John 8:57 implies that he was older. What is your source for the three Passover feasts?

There is an odd point here. Luke 2:42-50 tells us of an incident that happened when Jesus was 12 years old. Any astronomer will tell you that 12 years and 'about 30 years' are the orbital periods of Jupiter and Saturn. Coincidence? Well, perhaps.

Yet another point. Luke 2:1-7 says that Jesus was born at the time of the census of Quirinius, which took place after the deposition of Archelaus in 6 AD (see Josephus, Antiquities, XVIII, 1-3). Luke 3 begins 'in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, that is, in 29 AD. By Luke's own chronology, Jesus was only 23 years old, not 'about 30'.

 

[Astrid]

AV prefers term sensus plenior to reading tea leaves. Everything sounds cooler and more authorative if it is in Latin. QED.

Who cares.

 

[Astrid]

You have a wonderful habit of ignoring and avoiding questions put to you. And by wonderful I mean annoying.

Ignoring responses too

 

[driewerf]

You have a wonderful habit of ignoring and avoiding questions put to you. And by wonderful I mean annoying.

More than annoying, it's a sign of weakness and/or uncertainty. It validates the opinion that christianity has nothing to offer and needs to be shielded from even the most timid inquiry.

 

[AV1611VET]

Your ability to read people is truly equal to your gift of ferreting out the scientific truths present in the Bible.

You sweet-talker, you!