Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

[Armoured]

Great post here. No reasonable person believes allah is our God.

The Pope does.

 

[Bible Page]

Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham. Anyone who doesn't know that doesn't know much about religion. Muslims even believe that Jesus is the Jewish Messiah- it's straight up stated in the Qur'an. The primary difference is that they don't believe Jesus is the Son of God, and rather think he and Mohammad are co-prophets. This stems all the way back to Abraham's sons, Isaac and Ishmael, with one being the father of the Jews and the other the father of the Arabs.

And you somehow think that's OK?

The Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Son of God.
That means they're all going straight to Hell.

ETA: Islam also teaches that the doctrine of the trinity is blasphemy. Muslims do not speak of their god as their Heavenly Father.And they deny that their god has a son.

Anyone who thinks the god of the Muslims is the same God as that of Christians doesn't know very much about Islam.

 

[Bible Page]

The Pope does.

He speaks for Catholics.

 

[Armoured]

He speaks for Catholics.

Yes? Your point?

 

[Bible Page]

Should be obvious. His thoughts mean nothing to non-Catholics.

 

[Armoured]

Should be obvious. His thoughts mean nothing to non-Catholics.

Which is fine. But you said

No reasonable person believes allah is our God.

Is the Pope not reasonable?

How about Arabic speaking Christians, who literally pray to "Allah"?

 

[Bible Page]

Which is fine. But you said



Is the Pope not reasonable?

He's ecumenicist.

How about Arabic speaking Christians, who literally pray to "Allah"?

Did you miss it? Allah is Arabic for God. When they're Christian they're not Muslim. See, Allah is a word, right? It's a word that pertains to creator, God. That's a word.
Is that clear? OK, now lets proceed to doctrine. Christian doctrine speaks of God and Jesus Christ.


Muslim Doctrine does not.
Understand now?

 

[Armoured]

He's ecumenicist.

So?

Did you miss it? Allah is Arabic for God. When they're Christian they're not Muslim. See, Allah is a word, right? It's a word that pertains to creator, God. That's a word.
Is that clear? OK, now lets proceed to doctrine. Christian doctrine speaks of God and Jesus Christ.


Muslim Doctrine does not.
Understand now?

Yes. Their doctrines are different. The deity they worship is the same.

Again, dems love Obama, Republicans hate him. Different beliefs, but they're both talking about the same guy.

 

[AHH who-stole-my-name]

From my understanding is that the Arabs came from the slave women that Rebeca pushed out of Abrahams tent and the Angel appeared to her and said that her child would not die and would become a great nation.

What I understand about Islam is they say that their God is the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They also say the Jesus was a prophet , but not the last. They say that Mahomid was the last, so it seems to me that to them they serve the same god a we.

 

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[Yeshuas_My_Freedom]

Not only what you've just stated, but Muslims do not believe Yeshua, Jesus, whom they call Isa, died on the cross or arose from the dead. They teach that did not happen!

When the argument revolves around, same god different beliefs, not only is that a blatant falsehood that the Catholic can not deny because the church made it an official statement they must concede as true, but it smacks in the face of the message of the cross and Yeshua's , Jesus' , entire mission to earth in the name of the Father. And arrives as a smack down of that in a faith tradition that arose nearly 600 years after Christ delivered the new covenant and departed back to the Father.

Therefore, for the god of the Muslims to be the same as that of the Christians, that god that sent Isa, and then taught Muhammad the exact opposite of what he sent Jesus to earth for, would have to be as has been said, insane.
AND, he would have to be a liar!
God is not a man that he should lie. That is scripture in the Christian Bible.

For a Christian to believe the god of the Muslims is their God, that piece of scripture is lying too.

And you somehow think that's OK?

The Muslims don't believe Jesus is the Son of God.
That means they're all going straight to Hell.

ETA: Islam also teaches that the doctrine of the trinity is blasphemy. Muslims do not speak of their god as their Heavenly Father.And they deny that their god has a son.

Anyone who thinks the god of the Muslims is the same God as that of Christians doesn't know very much about Islam.

 

[Bible Page]

Well said!

John 14:6 “…I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Matthew 10:32-33 “Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. (33) But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.”

Not only what you've just stated, but Muslims do not believe Yeshua, Jesus, whom they call Isa, died on the cross or arose from the dead. They teach that did not happen!

When the argument revolves around, same god different beliefs, not only is that a blatant falsehood that the Catholic can not deny because the church made it an official statement they must concede as true, but it smacks in the face of the message of the cross and Yeshua's , Jesus' , entire mission to earth in the name of the Father. And arrives as a smack down of that in a faith tradition that arose nearly 600 years after Christ delivered the new covenant and departed back to the Father.

Therefore, for the god of the Muslims to be the same as that of the Christians, that god that sent Isa, and then taught Muhammad the exact opposite of what he sent Jesus to earth for, would have to be as has been said, insane.
AND, he would have to be a liar!
God is not a man that he should lie. That is scripture in the Christian Bible.

For a Christian to believe the god of the Muslims is their God, that piece of scripture is lying too.

 

[FredVB]

It is not so much whether God had or could have a son. The old testament, which doesn't show clearly that God has the one begotten Son, even prophetically, shows the same God. It is Yahweh, with the same character, showing the same promises with some important ones fulfilled. It conflicts with the Muslim depiction of Allah, and ideas of God in other religions and beliefs.

Hi Fred,
Yes, and because of that conflict, they cannot be speaking of, worshiping, teaching about, the same God. We can look as far back as the days of the patriarchs and even back to Noah's day and find references to people worshiping gods that were not the God who introduces and reveals Himself to us in the Scriptures carried forward to us through the line of Judaism. I find in that the basic nature of man to think to imagine deities that somehow control the lives of man or nature. In the very early genealogy of Adam, the days of Enosh, we find that God, through His Spirit, had written for us that it was in those days that men began to 'call on the name of the Lord'. I believe men have been making up their own gods since those days. They would call but God wouldn't always answer them and so they began to make gods to fit their personal choices and desires for a god.
The nature of man is still today the same as it has always been in this desire to make for themselves gods to which they ascribe certain attributes and natures. We are told that when Jacob fled from Laban that his daughter (Laban's) took with her the gods of her father. We know historically and through the Scriptures that the people of Egypt had a number of gods to which they ascribed certain functions, responsibilities and natures. We know as the Israelites journeyed to the promised land that they often came upon nations and cities that worshiped various and sundry gods. We even know that within Israel itself that they worshiped other gods. The entire account of the conflict between Ahab, Jezebel and Elijah recounts for us a time when the leadership of Israel was bowing down to and worshiping other gods. There was an entire group of priests that represented the gods of Jezebel.
The nature of man is still today the same as it has always been in this desire to make for themselves gods to which they ascribe certain attributes and natures. These gods of the Muslim faith and the Buddhist faith and the Hindu faith and the various and sundry other faiths are just that continuing nature of man.

Such and in fact all the people of the world, except those people believing the Bible and such coming to Yahweh God with faith as made possible through Christ, have a different understanding of God, if they even understand there is one God, and so they would not know this same God that any of us do through what is revealed in God's word, the Bible, God being made known for us to come to be in relationship with through Christ.

Some people, though I don't believe it was all of them at all, in such early generations of humanity did call on the name of Yahweh, this being a time while Adam the first man still lived, who had heard and talked with Yahweh having that relationship, and remembering it, and having spoken of it, so those people believed in this same God to call on, but I think many others didn't. The first acts here of what would be religion included things of worship and I guess sacrifice and these would be used by others to use with false beliefs not including the true God Yahweh.

After the flood, when not enough vegetation would be growing to feed and nourish the people then remaining, when a sacrifice was still made to Yahweh, meat from animals, if respecting their lives and with removing all the blood, was first permitted by Yahweh. Sacrifice became something used by Yahweh to show people that with such consequence for sin in their lives, no one could just come to Yahweh, and such was basis for the faith they were to have with seeing the need for the Redeemer Yahweh provides. Christ having come, it is not to continue.

Yahweh being the real God, present everywhere and transcendent, with not being material is invisible to us, with the exceptions not at all usually seen in our world where Yahweh comes in some local manifestation. So those who find some god otherwise or gods to trust, to serve, or to worship, are having idols which are those gods, physical images, or even images in their minds, for that. This is what Yahweh forbids, by commandments.

Relevant to this thread there is the Muslim belief of Allah that is contradiction of what Yahweh God says, so they do not know God more than other people of the world. Those people trusting what is shown of God in the Bible are the ones who would know God.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

No they're not, The Spirit associated with the Quran is a totally different person.

 

[Neochristian]

Yes.

 

[zippy2]

From my understanding is that the Arabs came from the slave women that Rebeca pushed out of Abrahams tent and the Angel appeared to her and said that her child would not die and would become a great nation.

What I understand about Islam is they say that their God is the god of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They also say the Jesus was a prophet , but not the last. They say that Mahomid was the last, so it seems to me that to them they serve the same god a we.

I thought they claimed they believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and ISHMAEL? Do I have that right?

 

[zippy2]

Or is it Abraham, Esau and Ishmael?

 

[Neochristian]

Don't listen to anyone who confuses the Islamic community with the Arabic community. Such confusions are disgusting.

 

[Berean777]

God in arabic language is Allah. In Aramaic language the word is A-La-Ha.

That being said this does not mean that the god the muslims worship is the same as the God of the Bible. Scripture through the mouth of Jesus declares who the true worshippers are. The true worshippers know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

John 4:22-24
22You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Even to the Pharisees Jesus had charged them that they worshipped the devil.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Scripture is adamant that true worshippers must abide in Christ as one in Spirit, as his spiritual bride. Anything outside of this spiritual marriage does not worship the true God and therefore worship a false god.

Spirit of truth is what bounds us to the true God through the blood of the Son, for

John 1:17-18
the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

No one can come to the Father, let alone know him unless they come with the sprinkling of blood of his only begotten Son, as the spiritual bride of Christ.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If a Patriarch, a pope or a church elder says that the muslims also worship the true God of the Bible, then they are deceiving themselves and also deceiving others or they are flat out lying. The lying should be a warning sign for the congregation, because no reasonable God fearing Christian elder should be caught lying to the congregation in regards to this clear and cut matter of discernemnt, for this is a damnable offence and one that is putting the whole congregation in danger because of this one lie.