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Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

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OrthodoxyUSA

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Some things never change.

Some things have changed too much. Even to the point of spiritual blindness.

God be gracious to me a sinner.
 
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WordsofRepentance,

Are there any Christian groups that Muslims think of as Righteous and blameless? Worthy of salvation?

God be gracious to me a sinner.
Why not come over to this thread and ask them that ;) :)

http://www.christianforums.com/t7838663/
Understanding Islam

I was reading in the current events forum and a post triggered some questions about Islam. I did not want to hijack the thread, so I'm posting them here.

I know absolutely nothing about Islam or Muslims. I don't even know where they all live (or are they everywhere?). But from the sounds of your post, it seems like Islam is a religion that has different "denominations" or different [maybe political] ideologies kind of like the difference between ultra-conservative Christians versus ultra-liberal Christians. Is that right?

If that's the case, isn't the war a holy war that is intra-Islam that only involves Christians from the point of being in the wrong place (where the radicals live) at the wrong time?
Trying to answer both posts as they are similar.

First step is to define what a Muslim is. Islam is an Arabic verb, It means "doing the act of submitting to God(swt)" a person who does the act of Islam is called a Muslim (Male) Muslimah (Female)

To submit to God one must at a minimum do the 5 pillars of of faith to the best of their ability and knowledge.

There are no Central Leaders for all Muslims. We have no ordained clergy, we do not tithe and no Mosque or Imam is under any earthly authority and usually receives no outside assistance.

We have nothing that resembles excommunication as one does not "Join" Islam A person either submits to God(swt) or they don't. there is no ritual that makes a person a Muslim and no ritual we have to do nor any organization we have to become a member of.

We are very individualistic and each of us only speaks for our self. There is no organizational structure. Being Muslim is strictly between the individual and God(swt)

Those of us that are called Sunni are called so because we strive to follow the Sunnah. That is live the same type of life lived by Muhammad(saws) and his companions.

It is quite difficult to separate Islam in terms of denominations as it does not meet the Christian concepts of denomination. We all are obligated to accept everyone as a Muslim if they say they are Muslim. How ever we might express concern some one is not following Islam in a manner compatible with the Qur'an.

About 80 t0 90% of us are considered to be Sunni. I will at the moment just speak of us.



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Itturt posted: t boils down to - Yahweh says to love Him and everyone else while Allah doesn't so they can't be the same deity.

response: They are the same deity. The different religions believe different things about him, though.

tturt: One of Yahweh's attributes is that He doesn't lie such as "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;."Titus 1:2). We look at some Scriptures and say they contradict each other or we lack understanding of them but that's on us - not Him. But the point remains He speaks truth. He wants us to love Him and others.
 
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response: They are the same deity. The different religions believe different things about him, though.

Just saying - wasn't posted by me (tturt)
Perhaps you need to use the quote function better.
Put the response or the member you are quoting, in quotes..........
Itturt posted: t boils down to - Yahweh says to love Him and everyone else while Allah doesn't so they can't be the same deity.

response: They are the same deity. The different religions believe different things about him, though.

tturt: One of Yahweh's attributes is that He doesn't lie such as "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;."Titus 1:2). We look at some Scriptures and say they contradict each other or we lack understanding of them but that's on us - not Him. But the point remains He speaks truth. He wants us to love Him and others.


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response: They are the same deity. The different religions believe different things about him, though.

Just saying - wasn't posted by me (tturt)

I understand that the response: is not an expression of where your head is at.

I just wanted to delve further into the logical holes in that kind of response.
 
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The post was a little too long and too wordy for me to deal with.

Which prophecy of Mohammed failed?
He prophecied that in less than nine years, the Eastern Roman Empire would defeat the Persians. Victory did come, but his prophecy was 5 years short. Instead of 9 years, it was 14-16 (depending on whether you count from the retaking of the original borders or the complete defeat of Persia).

It would not be so bad if the prophecy had not set a deadline on itself.

The Old Testament has a 100% requirement on prophecy, so failed deadlines are death for prophets.
 
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3. Do you really know what the Koran claims about the crucifixion? I admit it's unclear as to what really happened but it says "it was made to appear so". Is this deceiving the people? No it's not. Jesus prayed to God the night before and God answered him. Why did he have to pray so much, huh, if he was god and knew what would happen? God saved him from death and thus he cheated death. The test was to see if the Church would make up their own man-made explanations of this - and they did. They failed the test. They made up their doctrine of a Lamb of sacrifice

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+53&version=NASB

This is the description of Christ according to Isaiah.

But He was [h]pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our [i]well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To [j]fall on Him. He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the [k]living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,

Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.

The Messiah, the Christ, was "cut off out of the land of the living."

Because He poured out [r]Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.
Yes, Christ had to die. But he was not murdered. He went willingly, as the soldiers could not force death upon Him. Rather, He took death, defeating Death by Death, so that we can be free, as the ancient hymn sings:

Christ is risen from the Dead
Trampling down Death by Death
And upon those in the tombs
He has granted life!
 
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He prophecied that in less than nine years, the Eastern Roman Empire would defeat the Persians. Victory did come, but his prophecy was 5 years short. Instead of 9 years, it was 14-16 (depending on whether you count from the retaking of the original borders or the complete defeat of Persia).

It would not be so bad if the prophecy had not set a deadline on itself.

The Old Testament has a 100% requirement on prophecy, so failed deadlines are death for prophets.

Thanks for the reply.
 
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So is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob YHWH/YAH/YAHWEH... etc, the same God ALLAH that Islam claims to worship??

Ask a Muslim if Jesus is Allah.

Ask a Christian if Jesus is YHWH.

Problem solved.
 
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