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Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

Is YAHWEH andALLAH the same person?

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Yahweh says to love Him and everyone else while Allah doesn't so they can't be the same deity.
One of Yahweh's attributes is that He doesn't lie such as "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;" Titus 1:2.
We look at some Scriptures and say they contradict each other or we lack understanding of them but that's on us - not Him. But the point remains He speaks truth. He wants us to love Him and others.

Ask a Muslim if Jesus is Allah.
Ask a Christian if Jesus is YHWH.
Problem solved.

There is not the same character shown with what is written depicting God, between the Koran and the Bible. Though some argue that it is just the God of Christianity, who is triune, that is distinct from Allah of the Koran, the different character shown of the Koran's Allah show that to be different from Yahweh, revealed in the old testament of the Bible, though with agreement with how there is just one God. The God of the old testament of the Bible can yet be shown to be the same God discussed in the new testament of the Bible, Yahweh the only God, having the same character and calling for the same kind of response, in faith. I am Christian and read and study these things in the Bible, and can show that. It is so even if some don't understand how there is a trinity of persons that make up Yahweh the one God, or if they have no understanding of the divinity of Jesus. God would still be seen as the same, and understanding those things to be true is still with the same God revealed in the Bible. The character of God is still shown to be the same. And Jesus shows it too.
 
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The Trisagion is a traditional and ancient Christian prayer.

Arabic: Quddūsun Allāh, Quddūsun al-qawī, Quddūsun alladhī lâ yamūt urḥamnā.

English: Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Strong, have mercy on us.

From the first chapter of John,

fِy alْbَdْ'ِ kَanَ alْkَlِmَhu wَalْkَlِmَhu kَanَ 'eِnْdَ allَhِ wَkَanَ alْkَlِmَhu allَhَ. hَdَa kَanَ fِy alْbَdْ'ِ 'eِnْdَ allَhِ.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, this one was in the beginning with God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Can't seem to get the edit function to work, so my apologies for this double post.

The second bit of Arabic from the Arabic translation of John's Gospel was run through a rather quick and dirty online romanization tool, which is why it doesn't look nearly as pretty as the Arabic translation of the Trisagion.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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Hi all,

Well, we can certainly debate as to whether a name makes any difference and certainly if we restrict our study to just a name, then there would very well be some confusion.

However, this issue is not about a name. It is about what the one teaches us over the other. There is only one name by which men may be saved, and that is the name of Jesus, according to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The other god not only teaches that that isn't true, but that there is enmity between the practitioners of the two faiths.

Example: Those who believe in the god that goes by the name of Allah have put forth a lot of effort in punishing anyone among them who would attempt to raise the name of Jesus among them as the sole Savior of man.

Simple question: If the two deities are the same, then why would the practitioners of one harm the practitioners of the other? Does not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob teach us to love one another and specifically those who are a part of His children? Why is it then, that the children of these two deities, are not able to live with love for one another?

For me, that's the simple answer. If they worshiped the same god, then their practices would generally be the same. But above all, they would desire to proclaim the salvation that is only available to man through one person, Jesus. God is not divided in what He teaches and what He asks His children to do.

So, let's just push aside this idea of the name Allah being the same as the name God and rather look at what they each teach their followers to do.

In predominantly muslim countries it is a very, very dangerous thing to publicly proclaim that Jesus, the only one who was put to death and then rose to life as testimony to us that he is the Son of the living God, is the Savior of mankind. If the two deities were the same, this would not be the case.

God bless you all,
In Christ, Ted
 
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Hi all,

Well, we can certainly debate as to whether a name makes any difference and certainly if we restrict our study to just a name, then there would very well be some confusion.

However, this issue is not about a name. It is about what the one teaches us over the other. There is only one name by which men may be saved, and that is the name of Jesus, according to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The other god not only teaches that that isn't true, but that there is enmity between the practitioners of the two faiths.

Example: Those who believe in the god that goes by the name of Allah have put forth a lot of effort in punishing anyone among them who would attempt to raise the name of Jesus among them as the sole Savior of man.

Simple question: If the two deities are the same, then why would the practitioners of one harm the practitioners of the other? Does not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob teach us to love one another and specifically those who are a part of His children? Why is it then, that the children of these two deities, are not able to live with love for one another?

For me, that's the simple answer. If they worshiped the same god, then their practices would generally be the same. But above all, they would desire to proclaim the salvation that is only available to man through one person, Jesus. God is not divided in what He teaches and what He asks His children to do.

So, let's just push aside this idea of the name Allah being the same as the name God and rather look at what they each teach their followers to do.

In predominantly muslim countries it is a very, very dangerous thing to publicly proclaim that Jesus, the only one who was put to death and then rose to life as testimony to us that he is the Son of the living God, is the Savior of mankind. If the two deities were the same, this would not be the case.

God bless you all,
In Christ, Ted
I agree and scripture attests to that

Hosea 2:16
"At that time,"declares the Lord,
"you will call, ‘My husband’
you will never again call me ‘My master.

 
The MT reads תִּקְרְאִי (tiqrÿ’i, "you will call"; Qal imperfect 2nd person feminine singular).
There are wordplays on the termsאִישׁ (’ish) and בַּעַל (ba’al) here. The term אִישִׁי (’ishi, "my man, husband") is a title of affection (Gen 2:23; 3:6, 16) as the counterpart to אִשָּׁה (’ishah, "woman, wife")
 
And it shall be at that day, saith the Lord,… The Gospel day, the times of the Gospel, the latter part of them; at the time of the conversion of the Jews, and the bringing in of the fulness of the Gentiles; at the time when God will allure and persuade them to seek the Messiah, and they shall turn to him; when he shall speak comfortably to them, and give them a door of hope, and all spiritual blessings, and cause them to sing as when they came out of Egypt:
 
that thou shalt call me Ishi; or, "my husband"
 
Returning to Christ their first husband, and being received by Him, their desire to Him, and full assurance of it; shall not only be allowed to call him their husband and say as the church did, "my beloved is mine, and I am his", Song 8:14, or, "my man"
 
The man the Lord, the man Jehovah's fellow, Immanuel God with us, God in human nature; and so more manifestly points at Christ, who stands in the relation of a husband to his people: or, "my strength", as some interpret it; the husband being the strength, protection, and defence of the wife, the weaker vessel; so Christ is the strength of his saints, in whom they have righteousness and strength, and through whose strength they can do all things:
 
Isaiah 45:5
I am the Lord. There is no other God;
I am the only God.
I will make you strong,
even though you don't know me,
 
and shalt call me no more Baali; which means "my master" "Baali" represents lordship and fear.
Saints don't have the spirit of bondage to fear, but the spirit of adoption, whereby they call God their Father, and Christ their husband.It shouldn't ne mentioed because it may led to thinking of that idol, and remember him, which the Lord would not be linked to.

Hosea 2:17
I will never let her say the names of Baal again;
people won't use their names anymore.
 
Exodus 23:13
"Be sure to do all that I have said to you. You must not even say the names of other gods; those names must not come out of your mouth.
 
Zechariah 13:2
The Lord All-Powerful says, "At that time I will get rid of the names of the idols from the land; no one will remember them anymore. I will also remove the prophets and unclean spirits from the land.

 "And it comes to pass in that day, is the saying of Jehovah, thou wilt call, My husband; and thou wilt no more call to me, My Baal." The church will then enter once more into the right relation to its God. That is, the church as the feminine singular and the Lord as the man.
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Do MUSLIMS and CHRISTIANS worship the same God?

No. Muslims don't believe God had a son, while Christians do.

Christians also believe in the most Holy Trinity.
 
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The issue is not about a name. That should have been clear in my posting, and I think it likely that I said something for this earlier. I discuss that there are irreconcilable distinctions between what is portrayed of Yahweh, God revealed in the Bible, and Allah of the Koran. This is not against all use of the term Allah. It is about what is written of Allah in the Koran, and what Muslims believe about Allah. There is in truth only one God. There are not two who are competing. There are the distinct beliefs of people which are competing. Yahweh, revealed in the Bible, and Allah of the Koran cannot both be that one true God, there is contradiction between them. There is such overwhelming evidence for the Bible having the true revelation that I can only put my faith in Yahweh the God revealed in that, there is nothing otherwise.
 
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The issue is not about a name. That should have been clear in my posting, and I think it likely that I said something for this earlier. I discuss that there are irreconcilable distinctions between what is portrayed of Yahweh, God revealed in the Bible, and Allah of the Koran. This is not against all use of the term Allah. It is about what is written of Allah in the Koran, and what Muslims believe about Allah. There is in truth only one God. There are not two who are competing. There are the distinct beliefs of people which are competing. Yahweh, revealed in the Bible, and Allah of the Koran cannot both be that one true God, there is contradiction between them. There is such overwhelming evidence for the Bible having the true revelation that I can only put my faith in Yahweh the God revealed in that, there is nothing otherwise.
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No one is saved by knowing or by speaking a name. The true gospel of salvation isn't about that. But such to be saved must understand God is there and respond as that should be as Yahweh God shows his grace, and the redeemer will be made known. With growing many can come to know the name and even use it to distinguish the true from any wrong one. Where there isn't a name used there may be some who can grow to that according to God's higher will.
 
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I can't believe people are still equating belief with the name and then making the mistake to judge the name on the belief.

:doh:

I believe it. I've just read it going through the thread. So if I say Mungu, I must be worshipping a different God as apparently God only speaks English?:doh::doh::doh: Or could it just possibly be that I'm speaking in another tongue and it just bothers some that it's not the way they say God?

Good golly Miss Molly.:argh:
 
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I believe it. I've just read it going through the thread. So if I say Mungu, I must be worshipping a different God as apparently God only speaks English?:doh::doh::doh: Or could it just possibly be that I'm speaking in another tongue and it just bothers some that it's not the way they say God?

Good golly Miss Molly.:argh:

Not only does he speak english, but 17th century english. [KJV] ;)
 
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Not only does he speak english, but 17th century english. [KJV] ;)

The poor OP asks something simple about the validity of "Chrislam" and it exposes some odd beliefs of others. For that alone he deserves some credit even though his question was taken in the wrong direction.

So no. Islam and Christianity are as different as they can be. The are contrary, one to another.

As is Judaism and Christianity.
Without doubt all claim to serve the God of Abraham. But it's just a claim. Two of the three are missing the boat so to speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnUsInBQws
 
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MoreCoffee said:
I propose a new tetragrammaton for use in English; H-O-L-Y.

Having seen this sort of suggestion more than once, I have to say there is serious dismissal of what God says in the scriptures, especially I think Exodus 3:15.

I've just read ... through the thread. So if I say Mungu, I must be worshipping a different God as apparently God only speaks English :doh::doh::doh: Or could it just possibly be that I'm speaking in another tongue and it just bothers some that it's not the way they say God?

The poor OP asks something simple about the validity of "Chrislam" and it exposes some odd beliefs of others. For that alone he deserves some credit even though his question was taken in the wrong direction.
So no. Islam and Christianity are as different as they can be. The are contrary, one to another. As is Judaism and Christianity.
Without doubt all claim to serve the God of Abraham. But it's just a claim. Two of the three are missing the boat so to speak.

Those thinking that Islam does not recognize the true God is because of reference to Allah have a mistaken understanding of what basis there is for it. The term for Allah is meaning the God. Arabic speaking Christians use the term for God as well. But Yahweh, revealed to us with scriptures which are our Bible, shows characteristics that are contrary to the claim of Muslims for Allah. And there are believers in Christ who are Jewish, so the contrast would in fact be with the unbelievers within Judaism.
 
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