Is war moral?

[freezerman2000]

Wrong.
Desmond Doss did not.
He rightly refused to lift any weapon against any man.

In God's eye or in Desmond's eye?
I am not the one to say if Man's interpretation of God's word is correct or not.
Is Desmond's words true or his own interpretation of the Bible?
Many men's interpretations have fallen and have been untrue.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I don't feel qualified to answer because I have neither the inclination nor courage to be in the military using a weapon or even doing hand to hand combat. I admire people who risk their own lives in not only war but the police and security personnel.
How can I say for certain that Australia would be the same safe democracy to live in, without World War 1 and 2 victories by the allies? That is why we have a commemoration day to honor the lives of those fallen. So soft butts like mine can sit here and type away on internet forums about topics that are always far removed from them.

 

[John Hyperspace]

Yes,but the video was from a member of the winning side..He said nothing had changed..only the leaders...War never ends..in Ian's eyes,war is immoral.

I watched the interview and I'm not really disagreeing with the spirit of his words. But when we're talking about is this moral, the question has to ignore the resulting trauma of the action. I'm certain if I killed a man to save a child, I'd be traumatized, and wouldn't wish the scenario on anyone, and be haunted by the experience; but this doesn't mean that the action was immoral. It means to me that this is a consequence of morality in an immoral scenario.

I understand the idea that "there are no winners", and he seems to feel grief that they didn't "change the world" and that bad things are still happening. But along the lines of the saying "He who saves one life saves the world entire" I feel he's missing the small in looking at the big, do you know what I mean? He's missing the reality of the one (of which there were no doubt many) whose world was saved by the actions.

Also, when I'm talking about intent, and moral intent, I'm speaking from both individual and national points of view. If those who declare war do so with good intents, then the war is moral. If they do so with bad intents, yet in guise of good intents to their soldiers, then their war is immoral, yet the soldiers themselves who are involved under the belief of engaging in good intent, the war is moral for them.

As well, intent may change and go from moral to immoral, and thus war may begin moral and end immoral. But the morality I feel will always be determined by true intent, which in the end, only God can look on the heart and discern the truth of the matter.

 

[freezerman2000]

I don't feel qualified to answer because I have neither the inclination nor courage to be in the military using a weapon or even doing hand to hand combat. I admire people who risk their own lives in not only war but the police and security personnel.
How can I say for certain that Australia would be the same safe democracy to live in, without World War 1 and 2 victories by the allies? That is why we have a commemoration day to honor the lives of those fallen. So soft butts like mine can sit here and type away on internet forums about topics that are always far removed from them.

Thanks..
My Mom and dad served not far from OZ (NG)





















during WW2. They didn't lose their lives during the war,but would have acknowledged you...
If war had reached you at your doorstep,how would have you responded?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Thanks..
My Mom and dad served not fat from OZ during WW2. They didn't lose their lives during the war,but would have acknowledged you...
If war had reached you at your doorstep,how would have you responded?

I am disabled and if that were to happen I would do my darnest to fight.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

If war had reached you at your doorstep,how would have you responded?

me? run away or hide somewhere
Australia? well try to defend of course. Japan attacked us in WWII. We defended. Of course seek America's help. I think the ANZUS treaty would come to the rescue.

 

[freezerman2000]

I am disabled and if that were to happen I would do my darnest to fight.

Thanks,Dogs! I feel the same way!

 

[dogs4thewin]

me? run away or hide somewhere
Australia? well try to defend of course. Japan attacked us in WWII. We defended. Of course seek America's help. I think the ANZUS treaty would come to the rescue.

I am fairly sure the poster meant you, personally.

 

[freezerman2000]

me? run away or hide somewhere
Australia? well try to defend of course. Japan attacked us in WWII. We defended. Of course seek America's help. I think the ANZUS treaty would come to the rescue.

Now or then?Or is it depending on who was invading?
The Japanese were brutal.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

Now or then?Or is it depending on who was invading?
The Japanese were brutal.

Ironically my wife of 25 years is Japanese.
Look who knows how I would react. Fortunately I have managed to avoid major trauma in my life. If push comes to shove, I might fight if I have no other choice. I am so physically unfit at the moment I'd be lucky to defend myself against anyone. Doesn't matter who is invading.
Never know. China might invade us one day. Russia, Syria, North Korea's help.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Ironically my wife of 25 years is Japanese.
Look who knows how I would react. Fortunately I have managed to avoid major trauma in my life. If push comes to shove, I might fight if I have no other choice. I am so physically unfit at the moment I'd be lucky to defend myself against anyone. Doesn't matter who is invading.
Never know. China might invade us one day. Russia, Syria, North Korea's help.

Well, China may not need any help before long.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

(TANGENT MOMENT) :
This is why people's lives everywhere are so bizarro and disobedient and with much sickness, death and hopelessness : the governments of this world are arrayed against Y'SHUA and against HIS PEOPLE and against TRUTH , opposed to TRUTH and honesty.

You have to have some sort of government. Otherwise, this fallen world would be even crazier.

as it is written "THE GOVERNMENT SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDERS" (for eclessia, for HIS PEOPLE, for each one of HIS CHILDREN) ...

 

[dogs4thewin]

For years I thought the Australians were very welcoming and hospitable, having a holiday and parades on my birthday, 25 April.

Well yeah but sometimes attackers do not care.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

In God's eye or in Desmond's eye?
I am not the one to say if Man's interpretation of God's word is correct or not.
Is Desmond's words true or his own interpretation of the Bible?
Many men's interpretations have fallen and have been untrue.

NEVER INTERPRET. PERIOD.
Desmond lived righteously in YHWH'S SIGHT, according to YHWH'S WORD, as did the ecclesia in ACTS, et al the NT when they were abiding IN Y'SHUA, echad with HIM.

 

[freezerman2000]

I'm not trying to call out anyone who chooses to not fight..just beliefs...and philosophies...why do you feel this way?
OT and OT Biblical quotes? NO!They seem to clash...OT is all killing the unbeliever..NT is about Salvation of ALL people..HUGE difference!
Please tell me in your own words what your opinion is

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

so are you trying to assert that there is no need for secular government?

WHY NOT JUST LISTEN TO YHWH AND HIS SON AND HIS WORD?

as always Y'SHUA and the APOSTLES and DISCIPLES DID / (and the faithful ecclesia today, everywhere they are, no matter what country) .

 

[dogs4thewin]

WHY NOT JUST LISTEN TO YHWH AND HIS SON AND HIS WORD?

Well, the problem is that in a fallen world not all people listen to that and we need people to enforce that.

 

[freezerman2000]

NEVER INTERPRET. PERIOD.
Desmond lived righteously in YHWH'S SIGHT, according to YHWH'S WORD, as did the ecclesia in ACTS, et al the NT when they were abiding IN Y'SHUA, echad with HIM.

How do you know that he did?
In your interpretation of what he said?
You can interpret what the MAN said and take it for truth?

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I suffer anxiety and do not perform well under pressure. I would be a burden to a group of soldiers and a risk to their lives. I'd end either shooting myself accidentally or one of my fellow soldiers. And I've worn spectacles since age 19.Dont think I would be useful as an army nurse either.