Is war moral?

[Nithavela]

The question is what is the time for war.

When the military industrial complex says it is.

 

[Inkfingers]

The question is what is the time for war.

I was answering the title question: is war moral? Clearly it can be.

But yes, then the question becomes...when.

 

[dogs4thewin]

When the military industrial complex says it is.

that can vary from person to person in terms of whether they believe it is moral.

 

[freezerman2000]

I feel the same applies, from individual, through family, through nation. A national war would be moral or immoral through intent. If the war was to get resources from another people, it's immoral. If a war is to protect the helpless against lethal aggression it would be moral. Though, I would be remiss in not saying that even in national war there can be immorality in morality: meaning, if a man is in the armed forces simply, so he can legally kill, becomes involved in a moral war, his own intent for his involvment is immoral.

For a Christian, it seems to me this would be a matter of conscience to become involved in such a war. I can say that I would never become involved in a group war of that sort. The only time I would have to face such a decision would be when I was entirely and involuntarily placed in a predicament in which I was fastly comprehending that only the death of someone would cause a cessation of lethal hostility. I would have to find myself in a situation I did not seek, tried everything to avoid, but found no other option available but lethal force.

Yes,but the video was from a member of the winning side..He said nothing had changed..only the leaders...War never ends..in Ian's eyes,war is immoral.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I was answering the title question: is war moral? Clearly it can be.

But yes, then the question becomes...when.

but one thing people should know is that with no draft if they join the armed services they MUST fight in whichever wars they are "assigned".

 

[John Hyperspace]

You just said He did. So God is Militaristic..I don't understand your reasoning
So God tells we can wage wars..in the Bible?

Right, and this is what I'm getting at in the idea of intent. If God is the one causing war (and I believe he is as per say, Amos 3:6) then it must have morality in intent. Even when a war is immoral by intent of men (say, men go to war to get resources) it is still God who caused the war, though I believe His intent is for good, and thus, morally justifed in the end. But if war is wholly immoral, then God must be wholly immoral for causing all of the war i.e. "raising up whom He will; casting down whom He will": so all war would be "Godly moral" i.e. having good intent from God's perspective; and some war would be "Godly moral" from man's perspective, and some "ungodly immoral" from man's perspective. All according to the purpose of intent: whether that intent is for good, or, for evil.

Biblically speaking, Isaiah 10 is a good example of a "Godly moral/man immoral" war in that the Assyrian is sent by God to war against Israel for the purpose of the good corrective intent of God; but the Assyrian himself had ungodly immoral intents "to take plunder"

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

so does that mean that you can mad if someone saved you?

If you are not righteously furious every day at the american government for all the death and destruction caused by it all around us every day,
then
either you don't know what they are doing,
or ?

Find all TRUTH and HOPE and SALVATION IN Y'SHUA in YHWH'S PLAN AND YHWH'S PURPOSE and YHWH'S GRACE ;
not in man nor mankind nor man's government.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

but one thing people should know is that with no draft if they join the armed services they MUST fight in whichever wars they are "assigned".

Wrong.
Desmond Doss did not.
He rightly refused to lift any weapon against any man.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If you are not righteously furious every day at the american government for all the death and destruction caused by it all around us every day,
then
either you don't know what they are doing,
or ?

Find all TRUTH and HOPE and SALVATION IN Y'SHUA in YHWH'S PLAN AND YHWH'S PURPOSE and YHWH'S GRACE ;
not in man nor mankind nor man's government.

We NEED government, and frankly we do not WANT the Bible ( or any other holy book) to be a major part of secular government.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

We NEED government, and frankly we do not WANT the Bible ( or any other holy book) to be a major part of secular government.

Then you have already decided your own fate.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Wrong.
Desmond Doss did not.
He rightly refused to lift any weapon against any man.

Actually, they require you to swear that you have no major moral issues with using arms yo defend others. If you do not; then you can get arrested for fruendant entry. Which is a felony.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Then you have already decided your own fate.

So you are saying God should be the only government. No just no.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Actually, they require you to swear that you have no major moral issues with using arms yo defend others. If you do not; then you can get arrested for fruendant entry. Which is a felony.

Tell the president:
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[yeshuaslavejeff]

1 Samuel 8:7
KJ21
And the Lord said unto Samuel, “Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

So you are saying God should be the only government. No just no.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Tell the president:
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What am I telling the president?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What am I telling the president?

Actually, they require you to swear that you have no major moral issues with using arms yo defend others. If you do not; then you can get arrested for fruendant entry. Which is a felony.

So you are saying God should be the only government. No just no.

 

[dogs4thewin]

1 Samuel 8:7
KJ21
And the Lord said unto Samuel, “Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

You have to have some sort of government. Otherwise, this fallen world would be even crazier.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I am telling him both of these things?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

1 Samuel 8:7
KJ21
And the Lord said unto Samuel, “Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

You have to have some sort of government. Otherwise, this fallen world would be even crazier.

 

[dogs4thewin]

1 Samuel 8:7
KJ21
And the Lord said unto Samuel, “Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee; for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected Me, that I should not reign over them.

so are you trying to assert that there is no need for secular government?