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Is war moral?

yeshuaslavejeff

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Well, the problem is that in a fallen world not all people listen to that and we need people to enforce that.
That is not at all what YHWH , Y'SHUA, or HIS WORD SAYS.
LISTEN TO HIM,
and not what men say "we need".

TRUST IN YHWH, Y'SHUA and HIS WORD, period. Simply. Only.

The Apostles, disciples , ecclesia ever since Y'SHUA was ascended have been put to death starting in Jerusalem, as Y'SHUA was,
and ever since then all over the world in every country.

THEY DID NOT DENY Y'SHUA to save their own lives; but they endured to the end, faithful, and REJOICING IN THE MESSIAH Y'SHUA, even unto death.
 
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How do you know that he did?
In your interpretation of what he said?
You can interpret what the MAN said and take it for truth?
"interpret" as you are using it,
as men have used it for 2000 years,
is totally meant to deceive.

Do not interpret, (do not judge UNrighteously)
but JUDGE (appraise, recognize, LISTEN TO YHWH) RIGHTEOUSLY
as Y'SHUA did and told HIS disciples to do always.
 
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I suffer anxiety and do not perform well under pressure. I would be a burden to a group of soldiers and a risk to their lives. I'd end either shooting myself accidentally or one of my fellow soldiers. And I've worn spectacles since age 19.Dont think I would be useful as an army nurse either.
In the United States they do allow people to wear glasses in the service.
 
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I suffer anxiety and do not perform well under pressure. I would be a burden to a group of soldiers and a risk to their lives. I'd end either shooting myself accidentally or one of my fellow soldiers. And I've worn spectacles since age 19.Dont think I would be useful as an army nurse either.

My friend,I'm sure that there would be something there you could be helpful,even flying a desk!
 
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Ideally we can call uopn The Lord to defend us, and if our cause is just, He may indeed miraculously act on our behalf...I've already seen some relatively small examples of this happening in my lifetime, and look forward to beholding greater examples as harmony with His Holiness is enhanced and increased.

Something really radical occured between the Old and New Covenant.

Under the old - mainly the physical descendants of Abraham through Isaac were the 'chosen people'...therefore great value was not always placed upon the lives of foreigners. ( To put it mildly.)

But under the new, Christ atones for the sins of the whole world, opening The Way for all races and nationalities to become the blessed, the favored, the chosen of God.

In the old, killing a foreigner was sometimes considered roughly the same as killing a vile, wild beast.

But under the new, any killing of a person - is killing someone for whom Christ died, someone He has sanctified by His shed blood.

And who can say, if one who was killed, would not have come to believe unto salvation, if they had not been killed ?

Can we find the repentance we ourselves need, if we cut short another's God given space to repent ?

But if they're cutting others lives short....that's where it can be troublesome.

Ideally we could pray and God would rebuke them, as no other can.

But if / when our faith fails to move God, so to speak, then we're left to our own devices, which tends to give place for a measure of uncertainty and doubt.

Which is one more reason to seek that sacred walk with The Lord, wherein we are consistently in such a spiritual, holy, place that The Lord Is our ever present Defender, Protecter, Avenger, Deliverer. Amen.

wm
 
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"interpret" as you are using it,
as men have used it for 2000 years,
is totally meant to deceive.

Do not interpret, (do not judge UNrighteously)
but JUDGE (appraise, recognize, LISTEN TO YHWH) RIGHTEOUSLY
as Y'SHUA did and told HIS disciples to do always.

And how many times has MAN been wrong?
 
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Wars like anything can be good or bad,but there are some wars that had they not been fought this world would be a hellish nightmare to live in.

If all war is immoral then government and law are immoral because it is from both that war is born,either a violation of or the abuses of.
 
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If all war is immoral then government and law are immoral because it is from both that war is born,either a violation of or the abuses of.
VERY GOOD !
....... All
those who shed man's blood will be judged for it,
especially those instigating it or teaching such evil,
as YHWH'S WORD SAYS.
Those who are responsible for the shedding of the martyrs blood ever since the beginning
will receive YHWH'S VENGEANCE exactly when YHWH says, as it is written in YHWH'S WORD.
 
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TRUSTING YHWH is not good and bad;
TRUSTING YHWH is PERFECT and WHAT HE SAYS HE DESIRES OF ALL HIS CHILDREN - and what all HIS CHILDREN DO every day.
I was refering to trusting man.
 
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I was refering to trusting man.
YHWH says trusting man is sinful, and YHWH curses all those who trust man. (EVEN HIS PEOPLE, when they/we trust man ! we suffer until we turn back to YHWH).
This never changed.
 
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YHWH says trusting man is sinful, and YHWH curses all those who trust man. (EVEN HIS PEOPLE, when they/we trust man ! we suffer until we turn back to YHWH).
This never changed.
You have to trust man to some extent.
 
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Ideally we can call uopn The Lord to defend us, and if our cause is just, He may indeed miraculously act on our behalf...I've already seen some relatively small examples of this happening in my lifetime, and look forward to beholding greater examples as harmony with His Holiness is enhanced and increased.

Something really radical occured between the Old and New Covenant.

Under the old - mainly the physical descendants of Abraham through Isaac were the 'chosen people'...therefore great value was not always placed upon the lives of foreigners. ( To put it mildly.)

But under the new, Christ atones for the sins of the whole world, opening The Way for all races and nationalities to become the blessed, the favored, the chosen of God.

In the old, killing a foreigner was sometimes considered roughly the same as killing a vile, wild beast.

But under the new, any killing of a person - is killing someone for whom Christ died, someone He has sanctified by His shed blood.

And who can say, if one who was killed, would not have come to believe unto salvation, if they had not been killed ?

Can we find the repentance we ourselves need, if we cut short another's God given space to repent ?

But if they're cutting others lives short....that's where it can be troublesome.

Ideally we could pray and God would rebuke them, as no other can.

But if / when our faith fails to move God, so to speak, then we're left to our own devices, which tends to give place for a measure of uncertainty and doubt.

Which is one more reason to seek that sacred walk with The Lord, wherein we are consistently in such a spiritual, holy, place that The Lord Is our ever present Defender, Protecter, Avenger, Deliverer. Amen.

wm
Yet are we to allow those who do harm to us to continue to persecute us(roll over and play dead) or fight them?

The main question is,"Who is the winner in the war if people continue to suffer..under a new and different regime?
 
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Yet are we to allow those who do harm to us to continue to persecute us(roll over and play dead) or fight them?

The main question is,"Who is the winner in the war if people continue to suffer..under a new and different regime?
War is sometimes needed in this fallen world, and in those cases people sometimes people suffer before it gets better.
 
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