Is War A Sin?

[Shalia]

Bro. Daniel, did you miss the entire OT? The at least dozens of wars in there? The part where God set together armies and sent them against the enemies of the Jews?

There are definately times war is necessary, as ugly as it is. Read the OT as well.

 

[DutchLady]

It seems to me that whether or not war is a sin depends on your reason for going to war. If it is an honorable reason then it's not a sin. If it is for selfish reasons then of course it is a sin. I personally believe Bush's reason for going to war in Iraq was to relieve Iraq of an evil dictator who had already used WMDs on his own people and who had visions of being able to do major damage to his enemies. And the US was high on his list.

 

[brother daniel]

Where did God say that He would not punish by war any more?

OUR FATHER WILL PUNISH BY WAR ALL THOSE WHO FORSAKE the DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST thats JEWS AND GENTILES.
THERE IS NO MERCY FOR UNBELIEF.

Aren't the Jews still at war as far as He is concerned?Their call to be soldiers at all times is still in effect isn't it?

NO they who call themselves JEWS but are of the synagogue of Satan
http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817&z=2 are at war with HIM, JESUS and his disciples(christians).
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/truth.htm

He has given us our governments, and calls us to obey as long as it is in His will, which basically means as long as the government does not ban church
gatherings, the beliefs of the faithful, prayer?!?, and the like. Does He call us to disobey a government when we do not agree with them?

When there is a differance between what the Government demands us and the word of God, we must obey God and as the "Mennonite men were
imprisoned and persecuted during the CIVIL WAR, World Wars 1 and 2 for being pacifists, we also should peacefully submit to imprisonment or death
when it comes to that, for that is the example of JESUS CHRIST.

Can all who say they disagree with war, say that God has truly laid it on their heart that their government is in rebellion to His Word and therefore they
are not to obey it?

Of course and peacefully accept the consequences, praising God.

Why then are we called to be warriors in the end times,

We are not called to war against flesh and blood in the end times.
OUR war is Spiritual. And we have been given by CHRIST SPIRITUAL WEAPONS.
You know as a Spirit Filled, Pentecostal, Chrasmatic that the prophesy of JOEL 2:28 was fullfilled in Acts 2:16. That is when we receaved our
SPIRITUAL ARMOR, with the WORD OF GOD AS OUR SWORD.

and why will Jesus come back and destroy the enemies army?

Because there is no one left to have mercy on, OUR FATHER, JESUS CHRIST, HOLY ANGELS, with the saints, will take VENGENCE. HE IS A
CONSUMING FIRE and HE IS A MAN OF WAR. JESUS CHRIST IS HIS MERCY. WHEN THEY REJECT JESUS THERE IS NO MORE
MERCY FOR THEM.

Not trying to inflame things or upset people. Would love answers to this myself.

OUR FATHER IS BURNING with ANGER, AGAINST THIS GENERATION WHO HAVE TAKEN HIS NAME IN VAIN AND SCORNED THE
SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST, We have all been warned. Make sure there is oil in your lamps.

 

[~RENEE~]

Methinks you might be wrong on that one... what about us Christian liberals (or Christian moderates who lean toward the liberal side - me)? One of the things I appreciate about Bush is that he lives his faith. Sometimes I think he pushes too much on to people who don't really want it, and I don't like that so much, but I have no problem with the fact that he goes to church every sunday and has morning devotions. In fact, thats one of the things Mr. Bush and I have in common. Disagreeing with someone's politics in no way makes anyone anti-christian. To make such a statement shows ignorance and a disrespect for anyone with different politics than your own.

~AD

I voted for Mr. Bush and I voted the moral issues as christians I believe that is what we should vote for. Mr. Bush and Mr. Kerry neither one is worth their salt. Voting the word of GOD is our only hope. Then Pray FOR our president. By the way it is a proven that Kerry was for this and that for everything and against everything at the same time he just can't make up his mind on anything. And I did not state that you were anti-christian young man. I stated that it is pity when the people of GOD agree with the world ask your pastor if that is not a true statement.

 

[Andry]

Just because we're the church doesn't mean we're always right. In fact, on many things, we've got it screwed up and bass ackwards.

 

[julian the apostate]

andry<<Just because we're the church doesn't mean we're always right. In fact, on many things, we've got it screwed up and bass ackwards.


amen

look at the track record of conservative churches in this country regarding, slavery, civil rights, women's suffrage, vietnam, and even economic issues like social security and health care

abortion was the domain or roman catholic churches prior to 1980, only then did it become a big deal for conservative christians

i have a hard time taking certain leaders on the evangelical right seriously

 

[brother daniel]

OUR FATHER WILL PUNISH BY WAR ALL THOSE WHO FORSAKE the DOCTRINE OF JESUS CHRIST thats JEWS AND GENTILES.
THERE IS NO MERCY FOR UNBELIEF.

NO they who call themselves JEWS but are of the synagogue of Satan
http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817&z=2 are at war with HIM, JESUS and his disciples(christians).
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/truth.htm

When there is a differance between what the Government demands us and the word of God, we must obey God and as the "Mennonite men were
imprisoned and persecuted during the CIVIL WAR, World Wars 1 and 2 for being pacifists, we also should peacefully submit to imprisonment or death
when it comes to that, for that is the example of JESUS CHRIST.

Of course and peacefully accept the consequences, praising God.

We are not called to war against flesh and blood in the end times.
OUR war is Spiritual. And we have been given by CHRIST SPIRITUAL WEAPONS.

You know as a Spirit Filled, Pentecostal, Chrasmatic that the prophesy of JOEL 2:28 was fullfilled in Acts 2:16. That is when we receaved our
SPIRITUAL ARMOR, with the WORD OF GOD AS OUR SWORD.

Because there is no one left to have mercy on, OUR FATHER, JESUS CHRIST, HOLY ANGELS, with the saints, will take VENGENCE. HE IS A
CONSUMING FIRE and HE IS A MAN OF WAR. JESUS CHRIST IS HIS MERCY. WHEN THEY REJECT JESUS THERE IS NO MORE
MERCY FOR THEM.

OUR FATHER IS BURNING with ANGER, AGAINST THIS GENERATION WHO HAVE TAKEN HIS NAME IN VAIN AND SCORNED THE SACRIFICE OF JESUS CHRIST, We have all been warned. Make sure there is oil in your lamps.

REPENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND and it comes with POWER
Wake up You cannot serve GOD and MAMMON. Your politics cannot save you.

Jam 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?

Jam 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

 

[adamdavid]

And I did not state that you were anti-christian young man.

I'm glad thats not what you meant, but thats what comes across when you say that "the only real reason people don't like Bush is because he's a Christian". That statement seems to imply that one has to have a problem with Christianity in order to have a problem with Bush, which is far from actuality. I have many problems with the man (some of his economic policies, his environmental practices, and his desire to make the entire country conform to his morals... oh, and the article I saw this morning in the paper that he wants yet another 80 BILLION - that's billion with a B - dollars for this war I don't like in the first place... ), but the fact that he's a christian is far from being one of them...

Again, it's good to know thats not what you meant to say.

And yes, I'm praying for the president... I think he needs as much of that as anyone can get him (as do all people in positions of power/leadership)...

blessings...
~AD

 

[adamdavid]

Just because we're the church doesn't mean we're always right. In fact, on many things, we've got it screwed up and bass ackwards.

There's no way I could "amen" that enough for it to be adequate...

 

[~RENEE~]

I'm glad thats not what you meant, but thats what comes across when you say that "the only real reason people don't like Bush is because he's a Christian". That statement seems to imply that one has to have a problem with Christianity in order to have a problem with Bush, which is far from actuality. I have many problems with the man (some of his economic policies, his environmental practices, and his desire to make the entire country conform to his morals... oh, and the article I saw this morning in the paper that he wants yet another 80 BILLION - that's billion with a B - dollars for this war I don't like in the first place... ), but the fact that he's a christian is far from being one of them...

Again, it's good to know thats not what you meant to say.

And yes, I'm praying for the president... I think he needs as much of that as anyone can get him (as do all people in positions of power/leadership)...

blessings...
~AD

I have a problem with his money deals too I am disabled and on social security but we should not vote our bank accounts we should vote the moral issues I do not agree with some of his spending habits but I am much more against sodomy and murdering the unborn just for the sake of convenience. Which means I agree more with Bush than Kerry.

 

[heartofheaven]

REPENT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND and it comes with POWER
Wake up You cannot serve GOD and MAMMON. Your politics cannot save you.

Jam 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?

Jam 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; you mean God was wrong when he told Saul to kill every man women and child ohhhh yes and all animals? in the war? "what is that bleating of sheep"? // I know when DEFENDING innocence and protecting the weak lets bake some cookies and play candyland with terrorists that ought to work!!!

 

[lismore]

It seems to me that whether or not war is a sin depends on your reason for going to war. If it is an honorable reason then it's not a sin. If it is for selfish reasons then of course it is a sin. I personally believe Bush's reason for going to war in Iraq was to relieve Iraq of an evil dictator who had already used WMDs on his own people and who had visions of being able to do major damage to his enemies. And the US was high on his list.

Those who live by the sword will die by the sword

 

[JimB]

I have not read the previous posts, so if this has been covered …. Sorry!

James sure makes it sound like war is a sin, or at least rooted in sin, “Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask" (James 4.1-2).

Augustine invented the doctrine of “just war” (I think the Muslims would agree, calling it jihad) and it has been a cardinal doctrine of the church ever since.

\o/

 

[~RENEE~]

Guess what the Iraqis voted they finally had the right to experience what it's like to say who governs them. This all because we are our brothers keeper. That would not have had that right if we were not over there. How many times did God say go possess the country. And did he not say there is a time for war.

 

[heartofheaven]

Guess what the Iraqis voted they finally had the right to experience what it's like to say who governs them. This all because we are our brothers keeper. That would not have had that right if we were not over there. How many times did God say go possess the country. And did he not say there is a time for war.

He did..........I will bet the Iraqi's are glad that someone came to help out when they couldn't help themselves,though ,hah?Go and fight for those that cannot fight for themselves. What if you or I had children and/or elderly parents that were imprisoned in their homes,would you try to find away into that home to release them? would you do it just by speaking in the name of the Lord? Or would you go with a battle plan ,with guns,and storm those gates??? I thin as a mother,and daughter,I would fight for those that could not do it themselves,whatever the cost.When we go to war, is it for our pleasure that we go,the way that is described in James? Is it for our lusts? this is talking about being friends with the world,and being entised by the sin nature,envy,jealosy,adultery.Not the same.
heres a good one~I have set watchmen on your walls,O Jerusalem........surely I will no longer give your grain to your enemies....go through,go through the gates!prepare the way for the people! Is.62

 

[~RENEE~]

Hey Heart I think mayde for the third time I agree with you

 

[heartofheaven]

Hey Heart I think mayde for the third time I agree with you

I guess there is room at the cross for both of us,then,hah??Just kidding..........we may not all agree on different issues,but since we are a family(dysfunctional,it seems at times!!!) of God,we will have to depend on the Lord for help in times of disagreement,and how to be 'nice',when they occur!

 

[JimB]

Guess what the Iraqis voted they finally had the right to experience what it's like to say who governs them. This all because we are our brothers keeper. That would not have had that right if we were not over there. How many times did God say go possess the country. And did he not say there is a time for war.

Does the end always justify the means (or meanness)? Does this give us permission to attack the next Muslim country so that their people can vote? Does this, in fact, give a Christian a right, in the name of democracy, to intentionally draw a bead on a combatant and blow him away. Can you in your wildest imagination see Jesus doing that?

We know now that our government and military lied to us about Vietnam, yet we sent young men by the shiploads over there to die for a lost cause. They believed their government and did as they were told and killed others, or died, for a lie.

Now, I am not accusing the present administration of lying, but then, how does one know.

Honestly, if I were ever to be drafted again I could not claim that I was a conscientious objector, because I know that there will always be wars, but as a Christian whose allegiance is to a kingdom that is not of this world I would do everything I could to be a noncombatant. I would do all that was in my power to serve, say, in the medic corps to heal the wounded, no matter which side they were on, rather than to kill people.

Do you agree?

\o/

 

[~RENEE~]

So if I read this right Jim what you would rather see is a tyrant killing his own people for the fun of it. Sir I have a friend in Iraq that came hom for a funeral while he was here he informed us that the iraqi people are glad that he is there. And yes sir he is a medic. But when the voting happened he was patroling the polls. Not counting that one of my cousins gave his life so those people could have freedom over there. Thats the real reason for us being over anyway so they can have freedom from a murderous tyrant.

 

[heartofheaven]

So if I read this right Jim what you would rather see is a tyrant killing his own people for the fun of it. Sir I have a friend in Iraq that came hom for a funeral while he was here he informed us that the iraqi people are glad that he is there. And yes sir he is a medic. But when the voting happened he was patroling the polls. Not counting that one of my cousins gave his life so those people could have freedom over there. Thats the real reason for us being over anyway so they can have freedom from a murderous tyrant.

You preach it!that is right,they are not there to throw a party!And let the Church say ,AMEN!