Is War A Sin?

[Jonteel]

So, if I read your "story" correctly, "American boys are gassing Iraqi women and children."

Is that what you are saying? This is incredible. This reminds me of the unsubstantiated lies that were told about Vietnam soldiers.

How dare you have the guts to post this!!

In 1973, when I became a Christian, the Hippies tried to paint war and warriors as wrong, so I turned my back on a career in the Army.

As a young Christian I accepted their logic. I searched for Biblical support, but I found nothing. The Bible only warned soldiers not to use their office for evil. you can search the word for yourself.

Now, I am older, and I see clearly that some people offer personal opinions as gospel. I don't fall for that anymore.

In the last 30 years, I've come to believe that Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Osama, Saddam, and a few others are bad men and that they need to be stopped.

Osama and the big boys in the Islamic extremist organization attacked us. We went into Afghanistan and no one questioned our cause. Now, in Iraq, we are accused of all manner of sins.

Most Americans don't study Geography. However, if you did, you would know that Afghanistan is only about 4 hours drive from Bagdad. Since Iraq allowed Osama's boys to train in Iraq, then I would guess that Iraq was another "home" for Osama and friends.

Do you need further evidence? Well, the bombs that the "terrorists" in Iraq are using are very sophisticated. Too sophisiticated for an untrained enemy to create.

Should we have returned to Iraq? Many Iraqi people died because the first Bush administration didn't depose Iraq's Saddam in 1991. Reportedly, many atrocities were committed (by Saddam) against Iraqi minorities. Could that be a bunch of propaganda? Well, maybe. But, in 1991, I watched scud missles land in Isreal and kill civilians. That alone makes him a war criminal.

Oh, as per my instructions in the Bible, I am a staunch and inflexible supporter of Isreal.

Who stopped us from getting Saddam in 91? We didn't pursue Saddam because Washington was afraid that an anti war movement would duplicate the protests of the Vietnam war. Well, this thread is proof that the anti war propaganda machine is still working its magic.

I saw a Marine on television yesterday saying that he had committed atrocities. That's exactly what John Kerry said during the 1969 Winter Soldier investigations. Again, just as in 1969, there has been no research (by the press) into yesterday's allegations. The press are happy to have a marine that confesses to being a war criminal. It makes the news more spicy.

BUt, if the marine has committed atrocites, then he should be jailed and punished. Nazi war criminals are still being hunted, and here is a man that openly confesses to crimes and is not arrestted. In a like fashion, in 1969, John Kerry should have been jailed and brought to trial.

Kerry confessed on the Dick Cavett show that he had committed atrocities. Millions heard him say it. Kerry also told the press that atrocities were a daily event in Vietnam. The press printed every word. Vietnam vets still resent the accusations that Kerry made.

In a Godly society, any war criminal should be jailed and punished. Take them to court, and like the Nazi war criminals in 1946, let them suffer the court's sentence. In 1946 that was a firing squad or hanging.
-Sensei Jim

 

[Street Smarts]

So, if I read your "story" correctly, "American boys are gassing Iraqi women and children."

Is that what you are saying? This is incredible. This reminds me of the unsubstantiated lies that were told about Vietnam soldiers.

How dare you have the guts to post this!!

In 1973, when I became a Christian, the Hippies tried to paint war and warriors as wrong, so I turned my back on a career in the Army.

As a young Christian I accepted their logic. I searched for Biblical support, but I found nothing. The Bible only warned soldiers not to use their office for evil. you can search the word for yourself.

Now, I am older, and I see clearly that some people offer personal opinions as gospel. I don't fall for that anymore.

In the last 30 years, I've come to believe that Hitler, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Osama, Saddam, and a few others are bad men and that they need to be stopped.

Osama and the big boys in the Islamic extremist organization attacked us. We went into Afghanistan and no one questioned our cause. Now, in Iraq, we are accused of all manner of sins.

Most Americans don't study Geography. However, if you did, you would know that Afghanistan is only about 4 hours drive from Bagdad. Since Iraq allowed Osama's boys to train in Iraq, then I would guess that Iraq was another "home" for Osama and friends.

Do you need further evidence? Well, the bombs that the "terrorists" in Iraq are using are very sophisticated. Too sophisiticated for an untrained enemy to create.

Should we have returned to Iraq? Many Iraqi people died because the first Bush administration didn't depose Iraq's Saddam in 1991. Reportedly, many atrocities were committed (by Saddam) against Iraqi minorities. Could that be a bunch of propaganda? Well, maybe. But, in 1991, I watched scud missles land in Isreal and kill civilians. That alone makes him a war criminal.

Oh, as per my instructions in the Bible, I am a staunch and inflexible supporter of Isreal.

Who stopped us from getting Saddam in 91? We didn't pursue Saddam because Washington was afraid that an anti war movement would duplicate the protests of the Vietnam war. Well, this thread is proof that the anti war propaganda machine is still working its magic.

I saw a Marine on television yesterday saying that he had committed atrocities. That's exactly what John Kerry said during the 1969 Winter Soldier investigations. Again, just as in 1969, there has been no research (by the press) into yesterday's allegations. The press are happy to have a marine that confesses to being a war criminal. It makes the news more spicy.

BUt, if the marine has committed atrocites, then he should be jailed and punished. Nazi war criminals are still being hunted, and here is a man that openly confesses to crimes and is not arrestted. In a like fashion, in 1969, John Kerry should have been jailed and brought to trial.

Kerry confessed on the Dick Cavett show that he had committed atrocities. Millions heard him say it. Kerry also told the press that atrocities were a daily event in Vietnam. The press printed every word. Vietnam vets still resent the accusations that Kerry made.

In a Godly society, any war criminal should be jailed and punished. Take them to court, and like the Nazi war criminals in 1946, let them suffer the court's sentence. In 1946 that was a firing squad or hanging.
-Sensei Jim

That pretty much covers it.

 

[Street Smarts]

Oh is hatred for a fellow person no less a fellow brother in Christ a sin?

Something to think about for those Bush haters

 

[Andrew]

FOR ALL YOU BUSH FANS. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOULS.

You seriously need some help and counselling.

You pop in once in a while, make a stupid post, and then have us arguing while you are MIA.

 

[Andry]

You seriously need some help and counselling.

You pop in once in a while, make a stupid post, and then have us arguing while you are MIA.

Yup, even us non-Americans thought that was an incredibly obtuse thing to post. But here's the real problem - she doesn't think that it was an incredibly obtuse thing to post.

 

[He put me back together]

finger pointing, finger pointing.

Vote for my candidate, or you will go to hell

Somebody needs a history lesson

 

[RThibeault]

No War is just a sad result of living in a sinful world.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

You seriously need some help and counselling.

You pop in once in a while, make a stupid post, and then have us arguing while you are MIA.

Being newer to this board, I thought this gal/guy was a regular but looking at the history, I guess they do just pop in here to let folks know they are going to hell and take off again. I also see they are really into ufo's. That is enough to tell me this person is probably a troll.

Am I wrong?

Either way, I'll still take all the mercy on my soul I can get

 

[~RENEE~]

Ecclesiates 3:1 & 8b

To everything there is a season and a time to every purpose under heaven..........a time of war and a time of peace.

By the way the only real reason people don't like Mr. Bush is because he is a christian and starts the day with prayer and does not make a decision without praying about it first. It's a pity that GOD's people agree with the world huh.

 

[Andry]

Ecclesiates 3:1 & 8b

To everything there is a season and a time to every purpose under heaven..........a time of war and a time of peace.

By the way the only real reason people don't like Mr. Bush is because he is a christian and starts the day with prayer and does not make a decision without praying about it first. It's a pity that GOD's people agree with the world huh.

That's an extraordinarily huge assumption! That's the part I admire about the man. So obviously your reasoning / assumption is purely anecdotal and no way representative in the slightest.

 

[Asaph]

That's an extraordinarily huge assumption! That's the part I admire about the man. So obviously your reasoning / assumption is purely anecdotal and no way representative in the slightest.

Actually it's more than just an assumption Andry. It's really exactly in the same vein as the statement that I originally objected to by the OP.

Therefore, even though I voted for Bush and thus far believe he is a Christian president we need, I just as strongly object to the accusatory nature of that post as well.

(yeah I know. I've certainly made some pretty brash statements of my own on this forum, but hey, that's how God grows us up ain't it?.... )

Asaph

 

[~RENEE~]

That's an extraordinarily huge assumption! That's the part I admire about the man. So obviously your reasoning / assumption is purely anecdotal and no way representative in the slightest.

Defensive aren't we. It is a pity when the people of GOD agrees with the world.

 

[Andry]

Nope - another assumption. Now you're making it personal. And offensive: it's a shame when the people of God agrees with the world.....sort of a childish last remark as we turn to leave.....

 

[DutchLady]

I would have to guess that anybody who chose to live in Fallujah might very well be sympathetic with the insurgents there and this article written by Dahr Jamail confirms that, to me, at least. Either that or, for some reason, the Iraqis thought we were going to fight their insurgents with words, slingshots or bb guns but not our normal weapons of war. Bombs and white phosphorous (used to start fires and burn buildings) are weapons of war. Napalm is used to burn brush to clear a perimeter. I doubt very much that was needed in Iraq!

Of course our bombs made "mushroom clouds". Most bombs do. The more powerful the bomb, the bigger the cloud. And bombs make burning pieces of debris go up into the sky, which gravity then brings back down to the ground, trailing smoke.

Of course we're cleaning up the city of the debris. We're trying to destroy any underground bunkers and anything or anybody who might be hidden there. (Flush them out with water, bulldoze them, or whatever.) Also, the heavier the battle, the more debris and more likelihood of bunkers, munitions, etc. to be destroyed. Getting rid of the debris, especially of the homes of insurgents, the bunkers, burned-out buildings, etc. gives the insurgents less places to hide and will hopefully make the area safer for those who will return there to live.

Water tanks are good hiding places. Apparently they found something or somebody hidden in one in that area, so they made sure none of the others in that area were hiding anything.

"Sound bombs" just to terrorize the people and the children? Nah. Whether or not Dahr Jamail saw the result of the bomb, it had a target and most likely it at least hit near it.

The Iraqi insurgents only know guerilla-type warfare and are shocked by our type of warfare. Well, by using our kind of warfare, we're not losing an average of 60 to 600 soldiers every day like we did in the Vietnam War or one of our previous wars (can't remember which one -- Civil War, maybe ?), respectively.

I agree with Christian Muse -- War is horrible, but at least we clean up the residue of war to protect the relief convoys and those who will eventually be allowed to return to their homes.

 

[Jonteel]

protective clothing. This clothing keeps Americans from being killed by the chemicals. Therefore, no chemicals could have been used.

Do you believe that anyone controls CNN? Even our enemies depend on CNN.

 

[brother daniel]

protective clothing. This clothing keeps Americans from being killed by the chemicals. Therefore, no chemicals could have been used.

Do you believe that anyone controls CNN? Even our enemies depend on CNN.

Ephesians 6:12
We wrastle not against flesh and blood but against princilalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Here is a link for examination and prayer.
If you support war this is what you are supporting.
http://www.barremore.net/depleted-uranium-kills.html

 

[heartofheaven]

Ephesians 6:12
We wrastle not against flesh and blood but against princilalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Here is a link for examination and prayer.
If you support war this is what you are supporting.
http://www.barremore.net/depleted-uranium-kills.html

Read your Bible more often!!!

 

[adamdavid]

By the way the only real reason people don't like Mr. Bush is because he is a christian and starts the day with prayer and does not make a decision without praying about it first. It's a pity that GOD's people agree with the world huh.

Methinks you might be wrong on that one... what about us Christian liberals (or Christian moderates who lean toward the liberal side - me)? One of the things I appreciate about Bush is that he lives his faith. Sometimes I think he pushes too much on to people who don't really want it, and I don't like that so much, but I have no problem with the fact that he goes to church every sunday and has morning devotions. In fact, thats one of the things Mr. Bush and I have in common. Disagreeing with someone's politics in no way makes anyone anti-christian. To make such a statement shows ignorance and a disrespect for anyone with different politics than your own.

~AD

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I have to admit, while I did vote for the President, I too have problems with Christians who act like this man was sent from God. I am very conservative on some issues and could never vote for a man (or woman) who fights to allow a baby to be partially born and then have scissors jammed into the back of his or her little skull to allow the brains to be sucked out. That to me is the epitome of evil. Obviously I could never have voted for Kerry in 2004 or Clinton in 2008. However on the flip side, I do not think our President (and many conservatives) is a good steward of the land that God gave us. I also do not see as much as I want to see of taking care of the poor, homeless, widows and children. However, on the liberal side, I also know there is much talk and not much action there. I also see liberals as putting the enviroment over people and that is wrong as well. There is a balance, one of which I've not yet seen in my lifetime by either party.

However, back in the 1800's, a third party came in and wiped out one of the primary parties. The democrats and whigs were both supporters of slavery and some left their parties to create the republican party to voice opposition to the practice of slavery. My hope is that this happens again and we get a party that is truly devoted to protecting people and this earth that God entrusted to our care.

 

[brother daniel]

Read your Bible more often!!!

A very good exhortation.



I have prayed about this thread and searched the scriptures.

Since this is a Spirit filled, Pentecostel, Charismatic forum we can trust God to lead the way on this subject if we want to hear from him.

The Holy Ghost speaks very little about war in the gospels

Luk 14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him
that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

This first mention in Luke is a parable concerning our counting the cost of discipleship and being ready for spiritul warfare.

Luk 23:11 And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked [him], and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.

In this scripture the men of war mock Jesus.

2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

Here it is clear that disciples of Jesus do not war against the flesh.

1Ti 1:18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

Here again in context its about spiritual warfare, not killing people.

Jam 4:1 From whence [come] wars and fightings among you? [come they] not hence, [even] of your lusts that war in your members?

Jam 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

Here the Holy Spirit shows us why people war.

1Pe 2:11 Dearly beloved, I beseech [you] as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

And here we have the spiritual battle that goes on in our personal lives.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall
overcome them, and kill them.

Here we have Satanic forces waring against the saints of GOD.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and
have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Here again war is related to Satan

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is
able to make war with him?

Here people are impressed by successful flesh warfare.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and
nations.

This I understand this to be the "GREAT TRIBULATION" Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24.

Here the Holy Spirit is saying that satanic armies will physicly prevail over the saints (christians) kill them,including the last two wittnesses of revelation 11.

Then in Revelation 11:11 and 12 They are resurected before the whole world and a great voice from heaven says come hither and they ascend into heaven in a cloud. This appears to be what is spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him
[are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

Here the satanic armies fight Jesus directly when he returns with his saints and he defeats them.

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth
judge and make war.

Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against
his army.

Here we see the victory of the Lord and his saints leading to Satan being bound for a thousand years.