Is this the number of the beast!

[jamesbond007]

Yes, the end time prophecy of the age of those four gentile empires.

I agree with you on Christ Jesus as the Messiah and that he will be given dominion, glory and a kingdom and that his kingdom will be everlasting and not be destroyed in Daniel 7:13-14. Also, on the end times for King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 2.

"13 I was watching in the night visions,
And behold, One like the Son of Man,
Coming with the clouds of heaven!
He came to the Ancient of Days,
And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
Which shall not pass away,
And His kingdom the one
Which shall not be destroyed."

... Which is different than the end time prophecy of the Old Covenant age which you are referring to in Daniel chapter 8.

The problem your facing is that your trying to insert certain end time teachings into this text rather than just taking the text for what it plainly states.
Daniel 8:17......O son of man: for at the time of the end shall the vision be. The rest of the interpretation shows this is the end of the Old Covenant Age 19. And he said, look, I will make you understand what shall be in the final period of wrath: This final period of wrath began with the wars between the Greek kings if Syria and the Greek kings of Egypt with the whole region being conquered by Rome and then the nation of Israel being destroyed in 70 AD. for at the time appointed the end shall be. The end of the OC age. 20. The ram which you saw having the two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21. And the rough goat is the king of Greece: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. 22. Now that being broken, whereas four stood in its place, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. 23. And in the latter time of their kingdom, The latter time of the Greek Empire that was divided up into four sections. when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce expression, skilled in intrigues, shall stand up. Antiochus IV Epiphanies. 24. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and accomplish, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. 25. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Just so you know what this man did to ancient Israel:
In short, he got a large number of the Israelite's to apostatize and make sacrifices to Zeus. Then after a humiliating affair with Rome he got back into Jerusalem deceitfully. He murdered and sold into slavery approx. 160,000 Jews. He stopped the daily offering and desecrated the temple. Plundered and burned the city. Burned the books of the law, forbade any celebrations of any of the feasts. He set up an idol of Zeus at the alter of burnt offering. He sacrificed a pig on the alter. (The abomination of desolation.) He forced the Jews to sacrifice a pig on the 25th of each month to celebrate his birthday. He sought to exterminate Judaism and Hellenize them. ie: Convert them to the customs and religion of the Greeks.

However, your discussion of the rest isn't very clear. Daniel 7 is later in time as King Belshazzar presides over Babylon. It discusses Daniel's dream of the four beasts from the sea. The four beasts represented the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Using scriptural or logical reasoning, the four kingdoms today are Iraq, Iran, Turkey and the European Union (ten horns still to be determined?). Afterwards, I brought in Revelation 13 and 14 which is the vision of John. He, too, saw the beast from the sea.

 

[Daniel Martinovich]

However, your discussion of the rest isn't very clear. Daniel 7 is later in time as King Belshazzar presides over Babylon. It discusses Daniel's dream of the four beasts from the sea. The four beasts represented the kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome. Using scriptural or logical reasoning, the four kingdoms today are Iraq, Iran, Turkey and the European Union (ten horns still to be determined?). Afterwards, I brought in Revelation 13 and 14 which is the vision of John. He, too, saw the beast from the sea.

It is not clear because you have an idea that anytime the words "end times" are used its a reference to some end of the world scenario. What if you just take it for what it says and allow the phrase end times, latter times to be defined by the prophecy itself? If you just take this to mean the literal empires of Babylon, Medo\Persia, Greece that were past present and future for Daniel. Then you can't mistake it for anything other than it says. In the "latter time," near the end of the Greek empire these things will happen to Daniels people. Which they did.

The reason the same prophecy is in Revelation is because these prophecies are progressive in nature. They build on one another. Adding details not revealed in the earlier prophecies about the same things.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[jamesbond007]

Daniel had 3 visions in that night. We have to separate them. Verse 7 refers to "visions". This is where the second vision of that night begins. Daniel starts by telling us about the 4th beast he saw in this vision.
a fourth beast
It is not the same type of 4th beast as a great that came up out of the sea.

vision
saw four great beasts
first....it
second...it
third...it
the beast...it

verse 7 - saw - visions
a fourth beast
concerning the rest of the beasts
as in - the other three that showed up in the time of the second vision of that night

There is a third vision that starts later in this chapter.

The Book of Daniel isn't easy peasy at all.

 

[jamesbond007]

Here's a similar vision to what I thought would be the end of days per Daniel and Revelation.