Is this statement about Mary blasphemous?

[shinbits]

Just because we have become casual in relation to our own parents, does not mean that other generations were the same. Jewish people have great respect for their mothers even today. There is no reason whatever to suggest that Christ will not have respect for his mother, in the same way that Solomon did.

Jesus never refered to Mary as "mother", but refered to her as "woman". That's "great respect" to you?

You think that's the same level of respect Solomon showed his mom?

You're obviously wrong, if u do.

 

[laconicstudent]

YouTube - Akathist Hymn to the Most Holy Theotokos - Ode 1 in English

 

[Rose_bud]

Except of course nobody is suggesting this for a single moment.

Intercession is optional, not obligatory. Contrary to what is often assumed, even Romans can approach Christ directly, if they choose to do so.

.... Why would anyone want to go through a window if the door is open....


John 16
The hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figures of speech but will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in my name, and I do not say to you that I will ask the Father on your behalf; 27 for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God.

You got access to God, through Jesus, and once you accepted Jesus, and the work He has accomplished and keep His commandments... You got the ear of the Father... You really don't need Mary.

 

[shinbits]

I am sorry to say this is not what the Bible says, and it is not what any Christian creed says. It would appear that it is not the Romans whose theology is somewhat lacking.

I've showed why your theology is lacking. You haven't done likewise with me, you've merely asserted it. Repeatedly. Baseless assertions become no less baseless just because you keep using them.

 

[shinbits]

But you can only get to Eve Via Adam, and Adam Via God & Now the Circle Is Complete

Lol, exactly.

Going following the RC's OWN logic all the way back to the beginning, we're back to where we started, that we come to Christ only through God, not through nobody's mamma.

 

[lionroar0]

The quote says nothing like that. I posted the link, along with the number so anyone can check it out. There's NOTHING about humanity or anything like that.

That's because it's addressed to Catholics who already know what it means. Not to those that do not know what it means and try to attach their own meaning to it.

 

[laconicstudent]

That's because it's addressed to Catholics who already know what it means. Not to those that do not know what it means and try to attach their own meaning to it.

^^this.

 

[laconicstudent]

YouTube - To Thee the Champion Leader

 

[lionroar0]

There's a bunch of people in that thread that believe RC's treat Mary as a god.

And they are wrong.

 

[laconicstudent]

And they are wrong.

I've only noticed a single person making that assertion, in all those threads, actually.

 

[lionroar0]

This seems blasphemous to me, like God is incapable of making Christ human, except through a human woman. Yes, God chose Mary as a vessel, but it's not like God Almighty had to have a human woman. Thus, Mary really isn't a factor in coming to Christ, since the infinate God could've used any method He chose.

By this logic, God didn't have to become incarnate either.

 

[shinbits]

That's because it's addressed to Catholics who already know what it means. Not to those that do not know what it means and try to attach their own meaning to it.

Way to cop out.

Since no one has been able to ague against the OP, I've gotten thread derailments, ad hominems, and now to top it off, a "we know what it really what it 'really' means despite what it plainly says" argument.

I'm glad though. This all just proves my point. <staff edit>

 

[lionroar0]

Heres a thought...
If you want to come to know Jesus after the "Flesh", you go through Mary (His Blessed (highly favored, but fleshly human Mother)
If you want to know Jesus after the “Spirit”, it has to be granted to you by His Father (John 6:65),
(His Awesome, Magnificent, and Majestic Father (who is Spirit))

False. Jesus can't be separated.

 

[shinbits]

By this logic, God didn't have to become incarnate either.

God is all-powerful, right? He can do things any way He wishes. God is not limited to any particular method of doing things.

 

[lionroar0]

Way to cop out.

Since no one has been able to ague against the OP, I've gotten thread derailments, ad hominems, and now to top it off, a "we know what it really what it 'really' means despite what it plainly says" argument.

I'm glad though. This all just proves my point.<staff edit>.

The Op has been argued against and has been shown to be flawed.

 

[lionroar0]

God is all-powerful, right? He can do things any way He wishes. God is not limited to any particular method of doing things.

So know your denying Christ?

How far will you go to be "right" in your own eyes?

 

[shinbits]

The Op has been argued against and has been shown to be flawed.

HOW? Just name one point that has show the OP to be "flawed". There's a difference between merely arguing against something, and having that argument actually be valid.

 

[shinbits]

So know your denying Christ?

How far will you go to be "right" in your own eyes?

So saying that God is all-powerful is "denying" Christ? Tsk, tsk.

Your arguments are getting worse by the post.

 

[lionroar0]

HOW? Just name one point that has show the OP to be "flawed". There's a difference between merely arguing against something, and having that argument actually be valid.

From Catherianne

No, you are distorting what is meant, probably by not quoting sufficient of the original message.

What the statement means is that we come to Christ through his shared humanity with us, and because he derives his humanity through his mother, therefore, we come to him through her.

It does not mean that Mary is the essential mediatrix between man and Christ. It does mean that, at least in part, Mary is the means by which the essential mediator between man and God is/was enabled to be that mediator. This is by God's grace, which prompted Mary's own submission to his will.

Mary is not godlike, nor an idol. She is, however, first among women, and an example of obedience to all the faithful. If Catholics err in giving her too much status, some of today's low churches certainly err far more in not giving her enough.

The Pope, the President and King Solomon all have human mothers and fathers. Christ did not.

Christ gains his humanity ONLY through Mary. Therefore, and in this context only, humanity access God through Mary. Not as mediatrix, but as the means by which the Incarnation was effected.

Catholics can and do use Mary as mediatrix, but it is not compulsory. If you don't want to do it, then don't do it.

 

[laconicstudent]

We have already had several threads on the subject from you, in which people, not all of whom are Roman Catholic, have demonstrated that your understanding of Roman Catholic mariology is completely incorrect. Why are you so hung up on this issue?