Is this statement about Mary blasphemous?

[Catherineanne]

Mary is blessed.

There. I'm now in line with all generations.

Good start.

Next time, try saying it as if you really mean it.

 

[laconicstudent]

Really? Am I the only one in the world to point out that RC's have ascribed godlike qualities to her?

Only one on this forum, recently, that I've noticed.

Have you really never heard, except now? Aren't there tons of people on this forum who feel that way?

Not really.....

Are you really saying there are not MILLIONS of people who feel the same way?

You say "millions" as if it is a meaningful quantity in terms of the global population, or is relevant.

 

[shinbits]

Nonsense. He would say, who says that she is? Being polite to my mum is not the same thing as calling her a god, and being civil is not blasphemy.

If that's all RC's were doing, this forum wouldn't exist. There's a difference between "respecting" Mary, and elevating her to the status of "Queen of Heaven".

On the other hand, ignoring her completely and pretending she does not exist is highly disrespectful. As is any suggestion whatever of calling her 'just a vessel.'

Who's "ignoring" Mary?

 

[Catherineanne]

I don't think she has received the characteristics of a deity. You are the only one to promote that viewpoint.

In one sense all Christians, through Christ and the Unequal Exchange, attain one characteristic which is divine, rather than human.

Humans are mortal. Through Christ, we attain immortality. Therefore, Our Lady, in common with all other Christians, does achieve this particular divine attribute.

Still doesn't make her either God or a god, however. No more than any other believer.

 

[Catherineanne]

If that's all RC's were doing, this forum wouldn't exist. There's a difference between "respecting" Mary, and elevating her to the status of "Queen of Heaven".

Queen of Heaven is a reference to Revelation.

Who's "ignoring" Mary?

Low churches do their best to ignore her, as far as they can. When they can't, they use terms like 'only a vessel', which are worse than ignoring.

 

[shinbits]

The Church on Mary's Mediation

3) Leo XIII, Encyclical, Octobri mense adventante, Sept 22, 1891, ASS 24, 1891, 196.
"... just as no one can come to the Father except through the Son, so in general, no one can come to Christ except through His Mother."


Jesus said in John 6:44:

"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him..."

So wouldn't stating that we can't come to Christ except through Mary be blasphemous, since this statement puts her in the role of God?

And doesn't putting her in this role (that we MUST go through Mary) give her a godlike status, making her an idol?

I'm quoting the OP, because we're getting too far off an meaningless tangents.

Mary has clearly been put in the role of God, with the statement that no one comes to Christ except through Mary, just as Jesus said no one comes to him except through God the Father.

 

[shinbits]

Queen of Heaven is a reference to Revelation.

That passage isn't about Mary though.

Low churches do their best to ignore her, as far as they can. When they can't, they use terms like 'only a vessel', which are worse than ignoring.

I've never once been to a church that "ignored" Mary. And we are "only vessels" of Christ. Is that "disrespectful" to say so?

Likewise, it's not "disrespectful" to say Mary was only a vessel.

 

[laconicstudent]

That passage isn't about Mary though.

According to the Roman Catholic Church, it is.

Likewise, it's not "disrespectful" to say Mary was only a vessel.

No, simply incorrect.

 

[shinbits]

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[laconicstudent]

Mary has clearly

No.

 

[Catherineanne]

Are you really saying there are not MILLIONS of people who feel the same way?

So?

There are millions of Moslems who take exception to my believing in the Divinity of Christ. Doesn't mean I am wrong. Doesn't stop me honouring Our Lord as he deserves, as God.

Similarly, there may be some misinformed Christians who think that a Catholic respect for Our Lady equates to making her a god. This does not mean this is what I am actually doing. Neither does it stop me honouring Our Lady as she deserves, as first among women.

Here is part of what Our Lady teaches us; at the wedding at Cana, the wine ran out, but the Lord was hesitant to do anything. Our Lady's message then to the people around was, 'Do as He tells you.'

This is still her message to Christians today.

Happy the minister's mother who can say the same thing, to members of her son or daughter's congregation.

 

[shinbits]

According to the Roman Catholic Church, it is.




No, simply incorrect.

No.

So your argument is basically "nuh-uh!"

 

[laconicstudent]

So your argument is basically "nuh-uh!"

I figured since your argument was essentially, "Catholics really regard Mary as a God, because I say so" and, "This verse can't refer to Mary!"......

 

[shinbits]

So?

There are millions of Moslems who take exception to my believing in the Divinity of Christ. Doesn't mean I am wrong. Doesn't stop me honouring Our Lord as he deserves, as God.

The point of saying that millions of people agree that RC's treat Mary as a god, is to refute laconic's grossly incorrect post that I'm the "only" one who thinks that.

Similarly, there may be some misinformed Christians who think that a Catholic respect for Our Lady equates to making her a god. This does not mean this is what I am actually doing. Neither does it stop me honouring Our Lady as she deserves, as first among women.

You haven't said one thing to make us not think that you treat her as a god. All you've done, is WRONGLY assert that the OP took the quote out of context, and WRONGLY declare it meant something else; and when that was pointed out, you didn't even adress it...I suppose it's because you know that the quote really does try put her in the role of a god.

 

[shinbits]

I figured since your argument was essentially, "Catholics really regard Mary as a God, because I say so" and, "This verse can't refer to Mary!"......

See the quote in the OP. I'm not the one that says so, but an apparently important founding Catholic.

 

[laconicstudent]

The point of saying that millions of people agree that RC's treat Mary as a god, is to refute laconic's grossly incorrect post that I'm the "only" one who thinks that.

Please feel free to point out any other posters in this thread, or any of the others you have made on this subject, who agree with you.

 

[Catherineanne]

Mary has clearly been put in the role of God, with the statement that no one comes to Christ except through Mary, just as Jesus said no one comes to him except through God the Father.

Twaddle.

 

[laconicstudent]

See the quote in the OP. I'm not the one that says so, but an apparently important founding Catholic.

What you quote does not say that.

 

[shinbits]

Please feel free to point out any other posters in this thread, or any of the others you have made on this subject, who agree with you.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7471172-3/#post54840953

 

[shinbits]

What you quote does not say that.

Don't just assert it doesn't. I explained why it DOES say that. You explain why it doesn't, if you feel it doesn't. Unless of course, you can't.