Is this statement about Mary blasphemous?

[MamaZ]

You are right, particularly in the last sentence. She is the greatest mere human being that ever lived. Out of all humans on this earth, Mary was chosen to bring the Son of God Incarnate to this earth, and donated her humanity to Him. Even Moses, Abraham, and all the great Patriarchs of the Old Testament, nor the heroes of the New Testament carried the Son of God in their bodies. That honor belonged to Mary alone, and she had to be holy and righteous for God to have chosen her to do that.

We carry the King of all Glory around in our bodies also through His Spirit and we were no more Holy and righteous before Christ came to dwell in us than Mary was.. He chose Mary for the ancestory line.. Just as Jospeh.

 

[Thekla]

Jesus is King whether or not Mary is His mother.

Yes, but this skips what we were discussing; the term "queen of heaven" and what it means.

 

[MamaZ]

I agree, but that is not what we were discussing in reference to those who were Spirit filled and thus wrote the New Testament. We benefit from their faith, and from what they did for God and for us. We benefit from what Mary did for God. When we serve God, we benefit others.

So does that mean we are all Apostles and queens of heaven?

 

[boswd]

You are right, particularly in the last sentence. She is the greatest mere human being that ever lived. Out of all humans on this earth, Mary was chosen to bring the Son of God Incarnate to this earth, and donated her humanity to Him. Even Moses, Abraham, and all the great Patriarchs of the Old Testament, nor the heroes of the New Testament carried the Son of God in their bodies. That honor belonged to Mary alone, and she had to be holy and righteous for God to have chosen her to do that.

I know it blows my mind that has 0 meaning on Evangelicals, doesn't even phase them.

Blows my mind.

 

[Thekla]

So does that mean we are all Apostles and queens of heaven?

Did God ask you to give birth physically to Jesus Christ about 2,000 years ago ? Did you say yes ? Did you nurse Him, take Him to the Temple, change His diapers ?

What has the Holy Spirit conceived in you that has resulted in an infant that is fully God, fully man ?

We can act as apostles, we can act in an apostolic manner. We can write of God - but does that mean what we write will now be included in the New Testament ?

 

[Unashamed Jesus Freak]

I wonder what would have happened if Mary had said no to God. I guess people would be bowing down in front of some other woman's statue and praying to her instead of to Mary.

 

[shinbits]

You are right, particularly in the last sentence. She is the greatest mere human being that ever lived. Out of all humans on this earth, Mary was chosen to bring the Son of God Incarnate to this earth, and donated her humanity to Him. Even Moses, Abraham, and all the great Patriarchs of the Old Testament, nor the heroes of the New Testament carried the Son of God in their bodies. That honor belonged to Mary alone, and she had to be holy and righteous for God to have chosen her to do that.

Jesus said in 7:28:

"I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John".

So what you said is fallacious.

Yet another fallacious statement from the supporters of this false Mary doctrine.

 

[boswd]

I wonder what would have happened if Mary had said no to God. I guess people would be bowing down in front of some other woman's statue and praying to her instead of to Mary.

and you Evangelicals would have another woman to belittle and disprespect and bascially have no use for.

 

[Thekla]

Jesus said in 7:28:

"I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John".

So what you said is fallacious.

Yet another fallacious statement from the supporters of this false Mary doctrine.

Christ was born of a woman (Gal 4:4); is John greater than Jesus Christ ?

 

[shinbits]

Christ was born of a woman (Gal 4:4); is John greater than Jesus Christ ?

Those words are from Jesus. Do you think Jesus means that John is greater than himself?

Obviously, he means mere humans. And that includes Mary. So the statement that Mary is the "greatest human that ever lived", is theologically false. Just like the rest of this false Mary doctrine you all support.

 

[shinbits]

Since you guys have just been refuted by Jesus' words that John was greater than Mary, thus meaning Mary was NOT the greatest human that ever lived, are you guys willing to start acknowledging that what you believed is flawed?

 

[MamaZ]

Did God ask you to give birth physically to Jesus Christ about 2,000 years ago ? Did you say yes ? Did you nurse Him, take Him to the Temple, change His diapers ?

What has the Holy Spirit conceived in you that has resulted in an infant that is fully God, fully man ?

We can act as apostles, we can act in an apostolic manner. We can write of God - but does that mean what we write will now be included in the New Testament ?

Where did He ask Mary? I didn't nurse Him but I sure have nursed His other children. Taken them to an assembly to hear His word preached. Changed their diapers. The Holy Spirit has concieved in me the King of all Glory and eternal life. For it is not according to the flesh that any man will be recongized but according to the Spirit. We were not there as eye witnesses to Christ in the flesh.

 

[boswd]

Those words are from Jesus. Do you think Jesus means that John is greater than himself?

Obviously, he means humans. And that includes Mary. So the statement that Mary is the "greatest human that ever lived", is theologically false. Just like the rest of this false Mary doctrine you all support.

False is a very strong word. Are you privy to something we aren't?

the doctrines surronding her come from deductive reasoning and applying the way things were of that time b, from writings of the First Christians, and from the protoevangelium of james.

Your defense is "if it's not mentioned in scripture then it didn't happen"
That's a pretty slippery slope.

I would say you best defense would be it can not be proven via scripture.

so to right out say it is False is to say you know for sure.

Wouldn't that be big gulp of your adams apple if on Judgment Day Mary is the Queen.

It would kind of be like when Ralph Cramdon from the HoneyMooners when he got caught doing somehting wrong his classic "Ahh hummina hummmina hummina"

 

[MamaZ]

and you Evangelicals would have another woman to belittle and disprespect and bascially have no use for.

I have not belittled Mary. For she is indeed my sister in Christ..What she is not is my mother nor my queen.

 

[Rose_bud]

I have explained this, and I not well. I will try again, and let me know where I am not making sense.

In the system I am explaining (of this era and area), there is a man and his parents. The man becomes a king. Only after he becomes a king, can his mother be called "queen". She cannot be called queen until after her son is crowned the king.

Jesus Christ, before His Incarnation, was already "King". Mary could not be referred to as "queen" until after she bore a King.

And I will reply again, let me know if im unclear..., but the Son was always KING, implying she Mary) had to always be Queen....
...basically was Mary in Heaven, when He was King of Heaven... (not that He needed to be crowned because, he created the Heavens... Does Heaven need a queen?

Even for the era, they were using this description is an error, because it implies that Mary was always in Heaven...

or like you say (era and time).... When was He crowned King of Heaven, when He created it?

 

[shinbits]

False is a very strong word. Are you privy to something we aren't?

"False" is also true, regarding that claim about Mary being the "greatest human that ever lived".

Privy to something you aren't? No, I'm just honest about what Scripture says. Unlike you guys.

the doctrines surronding her come from deductive reasoning and applying the way things were of that time b, from writings of the First Christians, and from the protoevangelium of james.

Your defense is "if it's not mentioned in scripture then it didn't happen"
That's a pretty slippery slope.

I would say you best defense would be it can not be proven via scripture.

so to righ out say it is False is to say you know for sure.

Wouldn't that be big gulp of your adams apple if on Judgment Day Mary is the Queen.

Dude. We're not talking about things simply "not mentioned" in Scripture. We're talking about what IS mentioned, one of them being that John is greater than Mary. And that's just one of the many things Scripture outright says that contradicts your doctrines about Mary.

It would kind of be like when Ralph Cramdon from the HoneyMooners when he got caught doing somehting wrong his classic "Ahh hummina hummmina hummina"

But the only ones caught in the wrong here, was one of your own.

So start stammering.

 

[shinbits]

It's sad. Even after being pointed to Scripture that outright contradicts your claims, you guys still don't acknowledge your mistakes. Tsk, tsk.

 

[Rose_bud]

We carry the King of all Glory around in our bodies also through His Spirit and we were no more Holy and righteous before Christ came to dwell in us than Mary was.. He chose Mary for the ancestory line.. Just as Jospeh.

 

[shinbits]

You guys got owned by the truth. Please just humble yourselves, and admit you're in error about Mary.

 

[Rose_bud]

Will have to catch up some other time...

... Gonna watch some soccer... Will have too see whos the better team (England or USA)

God Bless