Is this statement about Mary blasphemous?

[shinbits]

She is not queen of Heaven just because Christ became flesh and dwelt among us..

Agreed.

 

[boswd]

Like I said, just giving a response isn't the same as giving an answer. If someone replied "Michael Jordan was the greatest athlete of all time", that doesn't answer the OP, does it?

Likewise with the "answers" given thus far. The "answers" just don't hold up to simple logical scrutiny.

Yes it is. You wanted to know what was meant by this statement to you it seems blasphomous.

It was explained to you what was meant by it in it's context.

You just don't like the answer.

Just because you aren't getting the response you want doesn't mean it hasn't been answered, addressed etc.

So the only logical conclusion is the fact You really weren't inquiring to find out what was meant by the statement. Now were you?

 

[MamaZ]

Yes; but to say this is like acknowledging that we benefit from the epistles of Paul, or the Gospel of John. Because they were filled with the Holy Spirit, we benefit.

These were Apostles sent out to preach and teach. This is why we see the foundation is Christ and then we have the Aposltes.. For they were sent out. Mary was never chosen to go and preach the Gospel to all the nations.. Mary was not an Apostle. She was a disciple.

 

[Thekla]

HE has always been King, just like HE was always God... I am, that I am,I will be, what i will be... So you saying Mary was always Queen of Heaven?

No; Mary had a beginning in time. God did not; God created time, space, matter. But, because Jesus Christ is identified as King, then Mary is called queen - a way of attesting that Jesus is King.

Remember, in the area and era where this term is from:

a man is crowned King and only after that is the mother referred to as queen. If the man is not king, his mother may even be in the 'royal family', but she does not have the title 'queen'.

Thus, kingship comes before the mother can be called queen.

 

[Thekla]

These were Apostles sent out to preach and teach. This is why we see the foundation is Christ and then we have the Aposltes.. For they were sent out. Mary was never chosen to go and preach the Gospel to all the nations.. Mary was not an Apostle. She was a disciple.

Luke and Mark were not of the apostles.

 

[Thekla]

She is not queen of Heaven just because Christ became flesh and dwelt among us..

She is called queen because first, before, Jesus Christ who was born of her was (already) King.

 

[shinbits]

Yes it is. You wanted to know what was meant by this statement to you it seems blasphomous.

It was explained to you what was meant by it in it's context.

You just don't like the answer.

It's not a matter of "liking" the answer. It's a matter of whether or not that answer stands up to theological scrutiny. None of the "answers" have.

Just because you aren't getting the response you want doesn't mean it hasn't been answered, addressed etc.

So the only logical conclusion is the fact You really weren't inquiring to find out what was meant by the statement. Now were you?

Your conclusion is incorrect, if all I want are answers that stand up to theological scrutiny.

 

[boswd]

She is not queen of Heaven just because Christ became flesh and dwelt among us..

actually I don't know if she is either. She maybe, I just understand the meaning they place behind it.

Like Thekla pointed out in the time of that age when one becomes King the mother becomes Queen. Now was Christ King on both Earth and Heaven when he was in the Flesh on Earth? or only kIng on Earth? That's where this comes into play.

To me that God selected Mary out of all the women in the world says something.

 

[MamaZ]

Luke and Mark were not of the apostles.

Nope but they were eye witness and wrote thier accounts of what they witnessed.. If you notice Mary did not write of her accounts.

 

[MamaZ]

actually I don't know if she is either. She maybe, I just understand the meaning they place behind it.

Like Thekla pointed out in the time of that age when one becomes King the mother becomes Queen. Now was Christ King on both Earth and Heaven when he was in the Flesh on Earth? or only kIng on Earth? That's where this comes into play.

To me that God selected Mary out of all the women in the world says something.

Him being a King is because of who He is. He is the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. No where is Mary mentioned when it comes to Jesus being King. It is because through Him all things were created.

 

[Rose_bud]

Not until Christ was born here on Earth.

Nope HE has always been King. He might not have been the King of this "Earth", but He was always the King of Heaven.... and Mary you call the Queen of Heaven... making her before Him... (in Heaven)

 

[MamaZ]

She is called queen because first, before, Jesus Christ who was born of her was (already) King.

And because of that Mary is his earthly mother and not queen. We do not read anywhere that Heaven has a queen.

 

[Thekla]

Nope but they were eye witness and wrote thier accounts of what they witnessed.. If you notice Mary did not write of her accounts.

There would be no such accounts to be written if Mary had not given birth to Jesus Christ. We would still have the like of the OT. The shadow. The shadow of the OT began its fulfillment at the Incarnation of Jesus Christ.

 

[katherine2001]

actually I don't know if she is either. She maybe, I just understand the meaning they place behind it.

Like Thekla pointed out in the time of that age when one becomes King the mother becomes Queen. Now was Christ King on both Earth and Heaven when he was in the Flesh on Earth? or only kIng on Earth? That's where this comes into play.

To me that God selected Mary out of all the women in the world says something.

You are right, particularly in the last sentence. She is the greatest mere human being that ever lived. Out of all humans on this earth, Mary was chosen to bring the Son of God Incarnate to this earth, and donated her humanity to Him. Even Moses, Abraham, and all the great Patriarchs of the Old Testament, nor the heroes of the New Testament carried the Son of God in their bodies. That honor belonged to Mary alone, and she had to be holy and righteous for God to have chosen her to do that.

 

[Thekla]

Nope HE has always been King. He might not have been the King of this "Earth", but He was always the King of Heaven.... and Mary you call the Queen of Heaven... making her before Him... (in Heaven)

I have explained this, and I not well. I will try again, and let me know where I am not making sense.

In the system I am explaining (of this era and area), there is a man and his parents. The man becomes a king. Only after he becomes a king, can his mother be called "queen". She cannot be called queen until after her son is crowned the king.

Jesus Christ, before His Incarnation, was already "King". Mary could not be referred to as "queen" until after she bore a King.

 

[MamaZ]

There would be no such accounts to be written if Mary had not given birth to Jesus Christ. We would still have the like of the OT. The shadow. The shadow of the OT began its fulfillment at the Incarnation of Jesus Christ.

There would have been no birth if indeed God has not have this planned before the foundation of the world.. Mary was the earthly vessel He chose to bring His plan into fruitation.. Just as all of us that Have Christ in us is Gods will and plan in our life..

 

[MamaZ]

I have explained this, and I not well. I will try again, and let me know where I am not making sense.

In the system I am explaining (of this era and area), there is a man and his parents. The man becomes a king. Only after he becomes a king, can his mother be called "queen". She cannot be called queen until after her son is crowned the king.

Jesus Christ, before His Incarnation, was already "King". Mary could not be referred to as "queen" until after she bore a King.

once again.. according to the flesh. Now Jesus was King before Mary was ever even His mother.. Therefore this is why we are to recognize no man according to the flesh. For we do not even recoginze Christ this way.

 

[Thekla]

And because of that Mary is his earthly mother and not queen. We do not read anywhere that Heaven has a queen.

Heaven has a King; in the eastern system I am referring to, the use of the term "queen" attests that Jesus Christ is King.

 

[MamaZ]

Heaven has a King; in the eastern system I am referring to, the use of the term "queen" attests that Jesus Christ is King.

Jesus is King whether or not Mary is His mother.

 

[Thekla]

There would have been no birth if indeed God has not have this planned before the foundation of the world.. Mary was the earthly vessel He chose to bring His plan into fruitation.. Just as all of us that Have Christ in us is Gods will and plan in our life..

I agree, but that is not what we were discussing in reference to those who were Spirit filled and thus wrote the New Testament. We benefit from their faith, and from what they did for God and for us. We benefit from what Mary did for God. When we serve God, we benefit others.