Is this speaking in Tongues?

[ewq1938]

This is quite true of tongues, except God is the one who understands what is being said. And who is here to say that He doesn't when she is praying in tongues?

God cannot understand something if what is spoken isn't words or a language at all.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The OP is not the woman in the video. The woman in the video is the sister.

I knew that.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

God cannot understand something if what is spoken isn't words or a language at all.

You cannot know that. 1 Corinthians 14:2 is explicit in saying that when a person prays in tongues they are speaking to God. It is implied that God is the one who understands what is being said. Common logical sense will tell us that if someone is speaking to God, He understands what is being said, even if they are speaking through a spiritual gift that He has given to the church through the Holy Spirit.

 

[brinny]

There is no confusion in what Paul is teaching in 1 Corinthians 14. If we follow what he says, we will know when and where to speak in tongues, and know that what we are speaking to God is true and correct.

The confusion, deceit, vagueness and darkness comes from those who give teaching that is not securely founded in Scriptural truth.

Confusion is a lack of clarity, fuzziness, vagueness, including speaking without the least notion of what it is one is saying, and without discernment. The deceiver can have a field day with this kind of thing. It's his "specialty". Always has been. It's "deception" in all its "glory".

God is not the Author of any such thing.

The confusion, deceit, vagueness and darkness comes from those who give teaching that is not securely founded in Scriptural truth.

This goes both ways, Oscarr.

Praying.

Let it rain.

 

[tturt]

Halie you may want to have this thread moved to the Spirit Filled forum. Appreciate you being concerned for your sister. Books have been written on this topic so it's difficult to write a few sentences.

"So, Beloved friends, with all this in mind, be passionate to prophesy and don't forbid anyone from speaking in tongues," I Cor 14:39

There's a diversity of tongues =
"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues." (II Cor 12:28) including the edification for the believer (II Cor 14:4) and the church such as the gift of tongues with interpretation (II Cor 14:5).

Tongues are a sign TO unbelievers OF believers. (I Cor 14:22 and Mark 16:17).

With the groups that received tongues in Scripture, it states "all" that were there received (Acts 4:31; 10:44-46; 19:2-6). With tongues, they magnified God (Acts 10:42).

"They were all filled and equipped with the Holy Spirit and were inspired to speak in tongues—empowered by the Spirit to speak in languages they had never learned!," Acts 2 TPT

 

[Lost4words]

May God open her eyes to the truth and steer her away from untruths (gibberish).

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

May God open her eyes to the truth and steer her away from untruths (gibberish).

God will only open her eyes to the truth that is in His Word, not the notions of those who maintain opinions that are not supported by Scripture.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Doesn't it say...

1 Cor 13:

1 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal....

Tongues then are not just known human tongues.


1 Cor 14:

...one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

Tongues then are not always interpreted.


1 Cor 14:

28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God.

Tongues then can be genuine but for private use only.


Some folks don't believe these gifts are given by God today.
Many do claim to exercise these gifts.
Debate about this can be quite heated.

 

[Lost4words]

I think it best that this thread is moved to a more suitable section of the forums as it is steering away from 'prayer'.

 

[brinny]

God will only open her eyes to the truth that is in His Word, not the notions of those who maintain opinions that are not supported by Scripture.

not the notions of those who maintain opinions that are not supported by Scripture.

This goes both ways, Oscarr.

Praying.

Let it rain.

 

[brinny]

I think it best that this thread is moved to a more suitable section of the forums as it is steering away from 'prayer'.

I agree.

 

[Mydreams]

Lord bless Halie Stevens's sister in this matter, in Jesus loving name, Amen!

 

[LoricaLady]

There is no way to know from here if your sister is truly speaking in tongues or not. As for any who would say the gift of tongues was just for speaking to foreigners, do not be fooled by traditions of men, but study what the Scriptures really say: 1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to men, but to God: for no man understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. If "no man understands him" how could any foreigners understand him?

Yes the word tongues is a translation for languages. But if you are speaking to YHWH, aka God, then of course you are using a language. A Heavenly language. As for those who say the gifts of the Holy Spirit are ended, I will give some well documented cases of medical miracles below, even raisings from the dead, in our time. Also two of the gifts of the Holy Spirit are wisdom and knowledge. Have they passed away? Why would the Savior tell His believers to heal the sick, raise the dead, speak in tongues and cleanse lepers for just the exceedingly short time before His ascension, then say (but He never did say!) "Well, after awhile they cease"? Again, don't go by traditions of men but by what the Scriptures actually say. The Scriptures never even hint that there would be some kind of apostolic age where miracles happened, then uh oh it's all over.

A new book called Physicians' Untold Stories lists many doctors' reports about divine intervention they have seen in their practice. In one case a woman who had not walked for years, and who was on her death bed from multiple sclerosis. was prayed over. Suddenly the Almighty told her to "Get up and walk." That she did, with the sudden appearance of new muscles in her legs. She is now leading a completely normal, healthy, life.

And there is much, much more... Anyone: When you see the well documented miracles below, if you want to say "Anecdotes", sorry, I can't take you seriously. I'm quite sure that when you get your own medical or doctor reports that you say no such thing. If you can't tell the difference between anecdotes and medical reports, and scientific research, perhaps you should spend some time curled up with a dictionary.

Also, if you want to quote some site that tries to trash the Shroud of Turin, I leave you with a rhetorical Q. Should I listen to people who were never anywhere near the Shroud , or to the team of scientists who examined it and put their findings in peer reviewed science journals, and to the scientist who invented carbon 14 dating who is seen in the vid? (There he can be seen saying that the "medieval age" carbon 14 datings of the Shroud are invalid due to contamination.) That's not a tough decision.

Now in the Bible we are told of a Man Who believed in Adam and Eve and Noah as being actual, historical figures. The Bible says He did miracles and raised the dead and healed the sick. He multiplied food out of nothing. He said we could do even greater things than He did. The Bible also describes His death and burial. Is there any actual scientific data to support those stories?

See secular news reports about Val Thomas, dead for 17 hours but now alive and normal after prayers from her family and her Church.

.

From mainstream t.v. there used to be a vid called Medical Marvel Beyond Chance, from a secular source, with a pediatrician giving his report. this one attesting to a dying child's healing which cannot be explained by modern medicine, and came after a relative laid hands on her and prayed for her. The doctor can be seen reporting that the DNA in every cell in her body was changed. The vid has been deleted, though.


See CBN's short vid with Dean Braxton. You'll hear his critical care doctor, rated the best patient care doctor in Washington state, saying "It is a miracle...a miracle..." that Braxton is alive, has no brain damage and is normal in every way. Why? He had no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours! His family believed in divine healing and they and others were praying for him.

. Also see CBN Dr. Chauncey Crandall Raises A Man From The Dead.

Part 1. This video is a bit faded but has the most complete information on this story.


Get Dr. Richard Casdorph's book The Miracles. There he gives medical documentation for miracles, mostly, but not all, from Kathryn Kuhlman's healing services. Casdorph came to Kuhlman's meetings to debunk her but turned into a supporter, as did other doctors. You can see him and other doctors in some of her healing services on YT. (She is now deceased.) Delores Winder is one of the cases documented in his book. You can watch her amazing story on YT with Sid Roth.

The book The Audacity of Prayer by Don Nordin lists medically documented miracles.


On Andrew Wommack's vids you can see doctors talking about "miracles" too. At the end of the book Don't Limit God you see a medical statement by a doctor saying that his patient used to have M.S. and diabetes but is now cured.

Bruce Van Natta was in a horrific accident where he lost about 80% of his small intestine. Someone he didn't even know was told to get on a plane and lay hands on him and pray for him. His small intestines grew back competely and you can see his doctors testifying to that. YouTube


Here we see many witnesses reporting donated food being miraculously multiplied for people who lived in a dump in Juarez. Story of Christmas 1972

And btw do you think that Someone Who can raise the dead and heal people of deadly "incurable" diseases, Someone Who can make body parts and food out of nothing, Someone Who created time, space, matter, and energy - needed "evolution" to make life forms? No, He created them fully formed and fully functional in 6 days just as Genesis, a Book He always supported, tells you.


Then there is the Shroud of Turin. If you don't know, the Shroud is a blood stained linen burial shroud with the faint image of a crucified man on it. If you have heard that the Shroud was proven to be a Medieval fake based on carbon 14 testing, in the documentary Jesus And The Shroud of Turin you can see the very inventor of carbon 14 testing saying that the sample was invalid due to contamination. YouTube


The vid demonstrates many miraculous features such as pollen from Jerusalem and faint images of flowers that are found only in the Jerusalem area during the spring, as at Passover when Messiah was crucified. With modern technology we also see that the Shroud has an x ray quality which reveals the bones and dentition of the Man on the Shroud.


In the 70s a NASA scientist noticed the Shroud's photographs had inexplicable, unique in the world, qualities. He got up a team of scientists, called STURP, to examine it in person in Italy. (No, the Shroud is not "just a Catholic thing" as the Vatican only came into stewardship of it fairly recently in history.) They used NASA, and other, high tech equipment with 100s of thousands of hours of research. Their findings are seen all over the net and were published in respected science journals.


The team was composed of 3 Jews, at least one agnostic and one atheist, and people of various faiths. They all agreed on these things: The Shroud image was not painted on, and they have no clue how it got there. It exactly matches, down to blood stains where a crown of thorns would be, the description of Messiah's death and burial as given in the Bible. The image could not be duplicated with modern technology.


About the Shroud I say "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, maybe it's a duck."
A new book called Physicians' Untold Stories lists many doctors' reports about divine intervention they have seen in their practice. In one case a woman who had not walked for years, and who was on her death bed from multiple sclerosis. was prayed over. Suddenly the Almighty told her to "Get up and walk." That she did, with the sudden appearance of new muscles in her legs. She is now leading a completely normal, healthy, life.

And there is much, much more... Anyone: When you see the well documented miracles below, if you want to say "Anecdotes", sorry, I can't take you seriously. I'm quite sure that when you get your own medical or doctor reports that you say no such thing. If you can't tell the difference between anecdotes and medical reports, and scientific research, perhaps you should spend some time curled up with a dictionary.

Also, if you want to quote some site that tries to trash the Shroud of Turin, I leave you with a rhetorical Q. Should I listen to people who were never anywhere near the Shroud , or to the team of scientists who examined it and put their findings in peer reviewed science journals, and to the scientist who invented carbon 14 dating who is seen in the vid? (There he can be seen saying that the "medieval age" carbon 14 datings of the Shroud are invalid due to contamination.) That's not a tough decision.

Now in the Bible we are told of a Man Who believed in Adam and Eve and Noah as being actual, historical figures. The Bible says He did miracles and raised the dead and healed the sick. He multiplied food out of nothing. He said we could do even greater things than He did. The Bible also describes His death and burial. Is there any actual scientific data to support those stories?

See secular news reports about Val Thomas, dead for 17 hours but now alive and normal after prayers from her family and her Church.

.

From mainstream t.v. there used to be a vid called Medical Marvel Beyond Chance, from a secular source, with a pediatrician giving his report. this one attesting to a dying child's healing which cannot be explained by modern medicine, and came after a relative laid hands on her and prayed for her. The doctor can be seen reporting that the DNA in every cell in her body was changed. The vid has been deleted, though.


See CBN's short vid with Dean Braxton. You'll hear his critical care doctor, rated the best patient care doctor in Washington state, saying "It is a miracle...a miracle..." that Braxton is alive, has no brain damage and is normal in every way. Why? He had no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours! His family believed in divine healing and they and others were praying for him. Dean Braxton on CBN 700 Club - Routine Surgery Opens Door to Heaven . Also see CBN Dr. Chauncey Crandall Raises A Man From The Dead. ▶ Raising The Dead Dr Chauncey Crandall on CBN 9 15 10 Part 1 of 2 Part 1. This video is a bit faded but has the most complete information on this story.


Get Dr. Richard Casdorph's book The Miracles. There he gives medical documentation for miracles, mostly, but not all, from Kathryn Kuhlman's healing services. Casdorph came to Kuhlman's meetings to debunk her but turned into a supporter, as did other doctors. You can see him and other doctors in some of her healing services on YT. (She is now deceased.) Delores Winder is one of the cases documented in his book. You can watch her amazing story on YT with Sid Roth. Delores Winder testimony.wmv

The book The Audacity of Prayer by Don Nordin lists medically documented miracles.


On Andrew Wommack's vids you can see doctors talking about "miracles" too. At the end of the book Don't Limit God you see a medical statement by a doctor saying that his patient used to have M.S. and diabetes but is now cured.

Bruce Van Natta was in a horrific accident where he lost about 80% of his small intestine. Someone he didn't even know was told to get on a plane and lay hands on him and pray for him. His small intestines grew back competely and you can see his doctors testifying to that. YouTube


Here we see many witnesses reporting donated food being miraculously multiplied for people who lived in a dump in Juarez. Story of Christmas 1972

And btw do you think that Someone Who can raise the dead and heal people of deadly "incurable" diseases, Someone Who can make body parts and food out of nothing, Someone Who created time, space, matter, and energy - needed "evolution" to make life forms? No, He created them fully formed and fully functional in 6 days just as Genesis, a Book He always supported, tells you.


Then there is the Shroud of Turin. If you don't know, the Shroud is a blood stained linen burial shroud with the faint image of a crucified man on it. If you have heard that the Shroud was proven to be a Medieval fake based on carbon 14 testing, in the documentary Jesus And The Shroud of Turin you can see the very inventor of carbon 14 testing saying that the sample was invalid due to contamination. YouTube


The vid demonstrates many miraculous features such as pollen from Jerusalem and faint images of flowers that are found only in the Jerusalem area during the spring, as at Passover when Messiah was crucified. With modern technology we also see that the Shroud has an x ray quality which reveals the bones and dentition of the Man on the Shroud.


In the 70s a NASA scientist noticed the Shroud's photographs had inexplicable, unique in the world, qualities. He got up a team of scientists, called STURP, to examine it in person in Italy. (No, the Shroud is not "just a Catholic thing" as the Vatican only came into stewardship of it fairly recently in history.) They used NASA, and other, high tech equipment with 100s of thousands of hours of research. Their findings are seen all over the net and were published in respected science journals.


The team was composed of 3 Jews, at least one agnostic and one atheist, and people of various faiths. They all agreed on these things: The Shroud image was not painted on, and they have no clue how it got there. It exactly matches, down to blood stains where a crown of thorns would be, the description of Messiah's death and burial as given in the Bible. The image could not be duplicated with modern technology.


About the Shroud I say "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, maybe it's a duck."

 

[LoricaLady]

P.S. Also, the Bible does not say that tongues are "always" interpreted. They are seen as being interpreted in assemblies, for the benefit of those present who might need the revelation.

 

[Albion]

Anyone can string together sounds and call it tongues, but that doesn't make it the real language of anyone alive, dead, or angelic.

In the brief presentation we heard on the video, "boca" was repeated about a half-dozen times and "moca" several other times as well, which is the usual pattern with these so-called tongues--a rhythmic repetition of short words or sounds, which is unlike real speech in any known language.

IF she uses this approach during prayer as a supposed prayer, it is her choice. What's more, it may be of some emotional or psychological benefit to her. However, what we saw in the video shows her to be thinking that her technique is an actual spiritual gift in the manner of what we find in 1 Corinthians.

 

[LoricaLady]

God cannot understand something if what is spoken isn't words or a language at all.

P.P.S. Your post will probably be moved to the Advice Forum. Don't just go by others' advice though. They may have their analysis of this and that, but what matters is, that you "test everyting" as the Bible says, by the Word and not others' opinions. Search the Word always. The truth is there.
Others have given Bible verses above to help you in that direction.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

https://youtu.be/bSd9T-FZMdk





Please watch this video. My sister is really going through a tough time mentally and physically and she is very confused about a lot of things in the Bible. One thing right now is that she believes she can speak in tongues... Can anyone help explain why this might or might not be to her... Thanks in advance.

Probably just another lost soul who may be leading many in the wrong direction.

Nothing new under the sun.

MB

 

[Lost4words]

Why would God need someone to pray to Him in a language that that person does not know or understand and thus, saying or praying without understanding?

Did not Jesus say to go into your own room and pray to Our Father in heaven who will hear your prayers?

Why use gibberish to pray? I honestly dont see any benefit. What good would it be to the Soul that does not understand what is being uttered?

When Jesus came across someone shouting out 'words' and writhing on the floor he cast out the evil spirit/s from them.

 

[LoricaLady]

Why would God need someone to pray to Him in a language that that person does not know or understand and thus, saying or praying without understanding?

Did not Jesus say to go into your own room and pray to Our Father in heaven who will hear your prayers?

Why use gibberish to pray? I honestly dont see any benefit. What good would it be to the Soul that does not understand what is being uttered?

When Jesus came across someone shouting out 'words' and writhing on the floor he cast out the evil spirit/s from them.

It doesn't matter what makes sense to us. What matters is what the Word says. The Word says that we can speak in tongues where "no man understands, but we speak unto YHWH" aka God. It doesn't say we have to understand. I see tongues as a way of surrender. You are letting the Holy Spirit pray for you over what HE thinks is best. We can always pray for discernment to know what we have prayed. Or we can just trust Him that He knows what He is doing.

You can go into your closet and pray in your native language or in tongues.

 

[Lost4words]

It doesn't matter what makes sense to us. What matters is what the Word says. The Word says that we can speak in tongues where "no man understands, but we speak unto YHWH" aka God. It doesn't say we have to understand. I see tongues as a way of surrender. You are letting the Holy Spirit pray for you over what HE thinks is best. We can always pray for discernment to know what we have prayed. Or we can just trust Him that He knows what He is doing.

You can go into your closet and pray in your native language or in tongues.

I think what you believe is misinterpretation of scripture. I cannot see 'Tongues' as anything other than 'real' languages.