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I apologize for not keeping up with this topic! I will answer everyone's posts now.
What I said was incomplete, not incorrect. I was in a rush that day. I meant to say that the early churches were mostly all very small home churches.
Now, one can argue that times have changed and denominations were setup and were supposed to choose a denomination and stick with it, but I just feel that many denominations have lost the sense of the word of God. So, this would be a perfect solution as well. My beliefs fit in the most with the old times and with non-denominational Christianity.
I believe the bible should be taken literally, especially many of the verses in the New Testament. And many denominations, don't believe that. So, I just wouldn't fit in.
Thank you for your great advice! I will study the book of Leviticus carefully before going to priesthood for real.
Well, a lot of the things that God has told me to do, has been hard. It was hard to accept that God existed in the first place for me (I was an Atheist for about 8 years). The path that I'm currently following that God has been taking me on, is hard and has been hard. Nothing in life is easy so, it does make me question that if something is easy it might lead me astray.
But, you're right. It definitely won't be easy. I'll have to take theology classes, and do years of studying before I'm to become a capable minister in any way, shape, or form. It just seems like the easier alternative I guess? Because, if I become a minister for a large non-denominational church, I'll have to move, I'll have to learn to speak in front of a large crowd of 100+ people, whereas if I had a home church It'd be a much smaller audience (Which would be hard for me to do. I think 5-10 people would be my cap at the moment) ,
The only call that I know is strong, is the call to ministry. I know that is the right path but, how to take that path, I don't know.
That's a fantastic idea, I will do that.
I disagree, many things that he's told me to do that were the right path were never made 100% clear and he's never told me 100% of everything all at once.
Right, but one can also argue that times have changed and since the denominations formed, and a majority (if not all) of the churches today are home churches. So, I should keep with the times. But, then again whenever someone says "Get with the times." They also ignore the bible. Like, for say example Abortion. It's accepted across the country and if you don't abort your kid, it's considered "wrong" and the wrong way to do it.
Yet, the bible explicitly forbids it.
But, you're right, they are and were biblical at one point in time, I don't see why it cannot be done today and why it shouldn't be done today. I cannot think of a reason.
I placed it in Christian History due to an error, I thought it was the Christian Advice section when I posted it. But, I guess parts of this can be history?
Thank you for your fantastic advice, I will take it all into consideration.
I agree with you and all others who tell me, that I should study extensively before I take up priesthood. And I do agree with you, that I need to be able to answer ALL questions that people will be asking me and I will need to know the answers to more than just the frequently asked questions.
I ruled out denominational churches for reasons I've stated a few times in this topic already. I feel that denominations have over the years, lost the word of God. I became non-denominational because it was the Christian denomination that fit me and my religious beliefs the best and fit the word of God the best. I can either choose to relocate to a bigger city, or start my own church.
I never meant to say there was, my mother, Grandfather, and grandmother, are all Catholic. A majority of my family have been Catholics and Protestants. I personally was born and raised Catholic, I just never really fit in with the Catholic church and ever since I was a child, never agreed with their religious beliefs. I don't mean to call them wrong, we are all Christians. They just don't fit with me and they don't fit with the bible.
I believe the bible to be 100% accurate fact and, I can't be Catholic while believing those things. Because they practice many things that aren't in the bible. So, it's nothing against Catholics they are free to believe what they want to. It just, doesn't fit with me and, I never belonged there.
Thank you for your encouragement! I will do that!
Thank you for reminding me of that fact! I had forgotten.
Right, which I agree to. Some of the things God asks us to do are just not 100% clear and we are meant to figure out for ourselves. I'm going to need many years of training and experience before I can fully set this into motion.
Your words are wise, I agree with you. I will take them into account.
I had already stated this on page 2 but, It's getting to be a big topic so, I understand why you haven't read it all. I was ordained online by the Christian Harvest Church. Which, gave me the legal right to perform everything and to be ordained but, as many people have pointed out throughout the topic that I agree with, it doesn't make me ordained by God. I still have a long way to go before that happens.
My Christian Background? I was born, baptized, and raised Catholic and barely followed the faith for 18 years.
I quit Sunday School after a few months, But took classes during the weekday after school to make my mother happy. I received my first communion late at the age of like, 14. And, I never had my confirmation.
At the age of 18, I left Christianity for good for a while and became an Atheist. Then, around the age of 26 or so after I couldn't take my Sinful life anymore, because it was completely falling apart. I rejoined Christianity, accepted Christ as Lord and savior and rose to what I believe was Heaven, was visited by the holy spirit, and cleansed of my sins in a dream that night. I also met my wife a few months after that and my life began to change for the better.
Skipping over a few irrelevant parts, I spent about 2 years studying the bible and trying to find a denomination that fit with the bible. I finally found Non-Denominational Christianity and it fit perfectly and I have considered myself Non-Denominational ever since. I haven't walked in a church since I was 27 (It was a Catholic one). And before that, I was about the age of 15.
My wife and I got married last year and have been trying to find a Church to attend with no success. So, both of us feel like Heathens and feel that, it's about time we start attending church and getting as close as possible to God again. And, that's about all of my Christian Background skipping the irrelevant parts.
I have been using the King James Version of the bible since 2015. Before that, I read a Catholic one online and used my wife's Catholic one. I believe It's NLT. But, I'm not sure.
It's very fast. I now realize that, it was a mistake and I should have taken the much, much longer path and gotten ordained by a non-denominational church in my State instead. I guess, I just wanted to rush everything because, I usually give up on things way too early and, I didn't want to give up on this.
This is incorrect. There were no church buildings, but there were definitely churches--congregations--that did far, far, far more than merely gathering, studying the bible, and praying together.
All the believers were together and had everything in common. They sold property and possessions to give to anyone who had need. -- Acts 2
We need to stop and truly think about intimate level of human organization it takes to make those two sentences possible.
What I said was incomplete, not incorrect. I was in a rush that day. I meant to say that the early churches were mostly all very small home churches.
Now, one can argue that times have changed and denominations were setup and were supposed to choose a denomination and stick with it, but I just feel that many denominations have lost the sense of the word of God. So, this would be a perfect solution as well. My beliefs fit in the most with the old times and with non-denominational Christianity.
I believe the bible should be taken literally, especially many of the verses in the New Testament. And many denominations, don't believe that. So, I just wouldn't fit in.
Many are called to the Priesthood, few are chosen (Mat22) because they do not want to cleanse their flesh (or their garment) to be qualified. Our garment needs to be washed and cleansed in the Blood of Jesus. Rev 7:14 " have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. "
Even I have read Leviticus because there are instructions there for those who are called to the Priesthood. If we serve a Holy God then we need to be Holy. So we speak the word of God and not the word of man. Then God will watch over us to make sure what we do and say represents Him. It is not always so easy to live our life as an example for others.
The Living Stone 1 Pet 2
4 As you come to Him, the living stone, rejected by men, but chosen and precious in God’s sight, 5 you also, like living stones,are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus;
What can make me whole again?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus.
Thank you for your great advice! I will study the book of Leviticus carefully before going to priesthood for real.
If God is calling him into the ministry and that is the only thing he is certain of then he should do that.....period. Yes, listen to others if you feel God directed you to do that but, in the end, just do it however you can.
To easy? What!?? lol. If it was too hard we'd be complaining about that. For all I know is it's easy because he made it easy for you...for all *I* know. And it may not be all that easy once you get into it but for all I know, God put it in your mind just they way to do it and that's why it seems easy. and all this is my taking your word for the fact God did indeed choose you for this.
The way I see it, start it, give it your best and if God wants it to succeed it will succeed.....that simple, in essence anyway.
Well, a lot of the things that God has told me to do, has been hard. It was hard to accept that God existed in the first place for me (I was an Atheist for about 8 years). The path that I'm currently following that God has been taking me on, is hard and has been hard. Nothing in life is easy so, it does make me question that if something is easy it might lead me astray.
But, you're right. It definitely won't be easy. I'll have to take theology classes, and do years of studying before I'm to become a capable minister in any way, shape, or form. It just seems like the easier alternative I guess? Because, if I become a minister for a large non-denominational church, I'll have to move, I'll have to learn to speak in front of a large crowd of 100+ people, whereas if I had a home church It'd be a much smaller audience (Which would be hard for me to do. I think 5-10 people would be my cap at the moment) ,
The only call that I know is strong, is the call to ministry. I know that is the right path but, how to take that path, I don't know.
What about if you found a pastor/teacher who could be like a mentor.
Just someone you could talk to and maybe who could help guide you? Tell you the things that are most important and just be like a sounding board for you?
That's a fantastic idea, I will do that.
If you have been called to preach God's word He will make your place to preach just as apparent. Why not start looking for a church that is at that point in their growth where they are looking for a head pastor.
If God has called you, He will send you and place you......You do realize you may have to relocate eh?
I disagree, many things that he's told me to do that were the right path were never made 100% clear and he's never told me 100% of everything all at once.
What were the early churches like? Certainly from reading the apostles letters, they were home churches which then grew until they needed a specific building to contain all the members.
Right, but one can also argue that times have changed and since the denominations formed, and a majority (if not all) of the churches today are home churches. So, I should keep with the times. But, then again whenever someone says "Get with the times." They also ignore the bible. Like, for say example Abortion. It's accepted across the country and if you don't abort your kid, it's considered "wrong" and the wrong way to do it.
Yet, the bible explicitly forbids it.
But, you're right, they are and were biblical at one point in time, I don't see why it cannot be done today and why it shouldn't be done today. I cannot think of a reason.
I wonder why you placed this in *Christian History* If you know that the Lord has called you to minister the Word, be confident, and just go out and evangelize in your locality, and then establish a non-denominational house church. Once it grows beyond that capacity, rent a hall and continue. The New Testament is full of house churches. And do not think that if a solution is simple it is NOT from God. The essence of genius is simplicity and the Bible speaks of the *simplicity of Christ*.
I placed it in Christian History due to an error, I thought it was the Christian Advice section when I posted it. But, I guess parts of this can be history?
Thank you for your fantastic advice, I will take it all into consideration.
The Church existed from Pentecost, and the Apostles set up local churches wherever they went. Yes, at first they met in homes, but they had ordained Presbyters, Deacons, and Bishops, and they didn't just study the Bible and Pray, they also had rites such as Baptism, Communion, Annointing the Sick, Ordination, etc.
I'm not sure who ordained you, but if in fact you are being called to ministry, it is essential that you go to school and study, so that you are fit to lead. A pastor needs more than just the typical layman's understanding in scripture, because people will come to you with unusual questions, and you will need to know the answers. Education will also train you in such things as Christian counseling. Ideally, this training comes before ordination.
You mentioned two non-denom churches. Why are you ruling out denominational churches? The only difference is a non-denominational church is independent, self sufficient. It has no larger governing body to report to (or to hold it accountable should it go astray).
I think it is admirable that you are attending Mass rather than attend no church at all, which must be difficult since obviously you are not Catholic (and therefore cannot receive communion).
I agree with you and all others who tell me, that I should study extensively before I take up priesthood. And I do agree with you, that I need to be able to answer ALL questions that people will be asking me and I will need to know the answers to more than just the frequently asked questions.
I ruled out denominational churches for reasons I've stated a few times in this topic already. I feel that denominations have over the years, lost the word of God. I became non-denominational because it was the Christian denomination that fit me and my religious beliefs the best and fit the word of God the best. I can either choose to relocate to a bigger city, or start my own church.
Nothing wrong with being Catholic. In fact, personally I hope you reach the point where you return to the Catholic church. But that's just me. As to whether you should attend church, THAT is BIBLICAL:
"Not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another--and all the more as you see the Day approaching." Hebrews 10:25
I never meant to say there was, my mother, Grandfather, and grandmother, are all Catholic. A majority of my family have been Catholics and Protestants. I personally was born and raised Catholic, I just never really fit in with the Catholic church and ever since I was a child, never agreed with their religious beliefs. I don't mean to call them wrong, we are all Christians. They just don't fit with me and they don't fit with the bible.
I believe the bible to be 100% accurate fact and, I can't be Catholic while believing those things. Because they practice many things that aren't in the bible. So, it's nothing against Catholics they are free to believe what they want to. It just, doesn't fit with me and, I never belonged there.
Hey, to be perfectly honest with you I didn't read any of the comments here so idk if anyone already said this, but it's all I could hear when I was reading your words. "Where two or more are gathered in one place, He is there." 18:20 I don't think you are not a Christian or stupid or any of that nonsense. I think you are doing exactly what you should be. You are seeking God and trying to understand what he is telling you. Know what I think? I think he meant for you to minister to you and your family. There isn't a church in your area, so set up Sunday service at home with your wife. Do communion. Invite a few friends for a bible study. Start small. If God wants you to start a church it will just happen. More and more people will come and the demand will get stronger and you will see the need more and more. Eventually it will be screaming in your face, but that might not be the path for you. Either way. I know I'm not the one repeating that verse. It fits too perfectly to your situation. Just remember. Where 2 or more people gather in God's name he will be there. Go ahead and start with your wife as your congregation. Bless you friend. Remember also, if you can't hear His answer, be still and know that he is God. He is in control and will lead you, have faith.![]()
Thank you for your encouragement! I will do that!
Oooohhh don't ever let yourself fall into that trap! God does not ever get tired of hearing from us. He rejoices when we call out on him. For anything. Even the redundant repetitive stuff. He very well may have guided you to ask cf to help with your own doubts but he did not tell you to go find an answer some place else. That is not the nature of our God. Our prayers are a pleasant aroma to him.
Thank you for reminding me of that fact! I had forgotten.
For most of us in ministry, a sense of vocation develops over time.
When I first recognised a call to ministry, I thought God was calling me to be a prison chaplain. I now recognise that actually, I am probably better in parish ministry than I ever would be as a prison chaplain; but more to the point, I also understand why that is, because I've had experience of a range of ministry contexts and also learned more about my own gifts.
Most of us are pointing out to the OP that this is probably the start of a much bigger process which he will undergo over time, and that he needs further training and experience. As he gets those things, he will understand more about what God is calling him to. In the meantime, it will hardly hurt him to learn some more!
Right, which I agree to. Some of the things God asks us to do are just not 100% clear and we are meant to figure out for ourselves. I'm going to need many years of training and experience before I can fully set this into motion.
I was a pastor for many years, so I definitely get the growing sense of vocation and the refinement that happens as one learns about one's own self and the needs of the community. Perhaps that is why the OP stuns me a bit, as typically those claiming a direct line to God with no clear focus have turned out to have other motivations, in most cases that they were not even aware of, suggesting they needed more experience and training than a rubber stamp to do some kind of "new" ministry. The "I will obey no matter what" attitude is especially troubling. I've worked with people who thought God was calling them to all kinds of odd sacrifices, when in reality there were other issues at work. I'm being vague because I don't mean to suggest that the OP author is exactly like these people I've known, but the language used is strikingly similar. I've seen people use "God told me to go into ministry" as a way to escape other realities they needed to face.
Your words are wise, I agree with you. I will take them into account.
How did you get Ordained? I am wondering what your Christian background is, and what version of the Bible do you use? Thanks for answering my questions.
I had already stated this on page 2 but, It's getting to be a big topic so, I understand why you haven't read it all. I was ordained online by the Christian Harvest Church. Which, gave me the legal right to perform everything and to be ordained but, as many people have pointed out throughout the topic that I agree with, it doesn't make me ordained by God. I still have a long way to go before that happens.
My Christian Background? I was born, baptized, and raised Catholic and barely followed the faith for 18 years.
I quit Sunday School after a few months, But took classes during the weekday after school to make my mother happy. I received my first communion late at the age of like, 14. And, I never had my confirmation.
At the age of 18, I left Christianity for good for a while and became an Atheist. Then, around the age of 26 or so after I couldn't take my Sinful life anymore, because it was completely falling apart. I rejoined Christianity, accepted Christ as Lord and savior and rose to what I believe was Heaven, was visited by the holy spirit, and cleansed of my sins in a dream that night. I also met my wife a few months after that and my life began to change for the better.
Skipping over a few irrelevant parts, I spent about 2 years studying the bible and trying to find a denomination that fit with the bible. I finally found Non-Denominational Christianity and it fit perfectly and I have considered myself Non-Denominational ever since. I haven't walked in a church since I was 27 (It was a Catholic one). And before that, I was about the age of 15.
My wife and I got married last year and have been trying to find a Church to attend with no success. So, both of us feel like Heathens and feel that, it's about time we start attending church and getting as close as possible to God again. And, that's about all of my Christian Background skipping the irrelevant parts.
I have been using the King James Version of the bible since 2015. Before that, I read a Catholic one online and used my wife's Catholic one. I believe It's NLT. But, I'm not sure.
Wow. Less than 2 weeks to get ordained. That's fast. I would have expected years of preparation and study.
You certainly aren't the first person to think about starting a new congregation because you didn't like what's available in your community. New congregations start up all the time usually because the person doesn't agree or thinks they can do better than the dozens of congregations in the area. There's a lot more to being a pastor than just knowing scripture. You could start by leading a weekly bible study group.
It's very fast. I now realize that, it was a mistake and I should have taken the much, much longer path and gotten ordained by a non-denominational church in my State instead. I guess, I just wanted to rush everything because, I usually give up on things way too early and, I didn't want to give up on this.
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