Is There Such a Thing as a Biblical Feminist?

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Zoii said:
Exactly - I dont imagine God possesses either XY chromosomes or a penis so why define God as male?

This thinking is natural and carnal, not spiritual. The assumption that gender is only a matter of biology does not necessarily apply to the spirit. I stated elsewhere that I believe it is the other direction. Gender begins in the spirit and is expressed in the body.

My step brother was a male prostitute in New York City. He is dead now. Died of AIDS. Before he died he had his body surgically mutilated and carved into the appearance of a woman. While my mother and step-father went along with the charade, he was not a woman, no matter how much his body was carved up. His spirit was masculine, and he is in Hell now with a masculine spirit awaiting the White Throne Judgment.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Andrew77 said:
One of the sad things that happened to me, was that a few years after I left my parents home, suddenly my mother wanted to do stuff with me, because when I was growing up she never did. She was always at work.

Now, after I'm grown and have commitments and a job to work, and bills to pay, now she wants to go off and do things, and I simply can't. She choose her career over her family, and then the nest was empty.

You are describing Harry Chapin's, "Cats in the Cradle". The son wanted to spend time with his father, but he was too busy. Later when the son is grown and the father was retired he wanted to spend time with his son, but his son was too busy.

My child arrived just the other day
He came to the world in the usual way
But there were planes to catch and bills to pay
He learned to walk while I was away
And he was talkin' 'fore I knew it, and as he grew
He'd say "I'm gonna be like you, Dad
You know I'm gonna be like you"

......

I've long since retired, my son's moved away
I called him up just the other day
I said, "I'd like to see you if you don't mind"
He said, "I'd love to, Dad, if I can find the time
You see my new job's a hassle and kids have the flu
But it's sure nice talking to you, Dad
It's been sure nice talking to you"
And as I hung up the phone it occurred to me
He'd grown up just like me
My boy was just like me

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Strong in Him said:
Disagree.
A woman does not stop being a mother because they are at work.

Yes, but you are not mothering full time.

Strong in Him · May 10, 2018

AlexDTX said:
I hope you are being facetious.

If you mean about girls being scouts, then no.
If you mean about the period ... my point was that no one, that I know, advertises it; so how would boys know about it?

Strong in Him · May 10, 2018

AlexDTX said:
Yes, but you are not mothering full time.

If you define "mothering full time" as staying at home 24/7, then, no.
I doubt anyone "mothers full time" after the child is about 3 years old. When junior is at nursery/junior/senior school they are not going to know if their mother is sitting at home ironing/cooking/washing or out earning a few £s so that they can enjoy a few outings and treats - or sometimes something more basic, like food.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Archivist said:
But the Hebrew word for Spirit is feminine. Because of that some Christians regard the Holy Spirit to be feminine.

This means nothing. Most languages around the world ascribe masculine and feminine gender to inanimate objects. Is a table feminine? It is just a man made object, yet in Spanish, they call it "la mesa" in the feminine. Gender in language is more a matter of people ascribing gender than gender being inherently in the inanimate object.

mama2one · May 10, 2018

Strong in Him said:
I doubt anyone "mothers full time" after the child is about 3 years old.

I did
kept child home an extra year and had child start K at 6
am not the only one who has done that, either
kids don't have to go to school at age 5
(best yrs of my life when kid was little and at home)

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

~Cassia~ said:
Irregardless.

Not a criticism, just for your information, the word is "regardless". Ir-regard -less makes a double negative with the "ir" canceling out the "less" which makes it positive. Every time you say "irregardless" you technically are saying "regard" that is, "it matters", when you want to mean "it doesn't matter".

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Archivist said:
Of course given the number of women who are victims of domestic abuse it is probably safe to say that there are many men who hate women.

You have a legitimate point. This is another example of the difference between men and women. Fallen man has a natural tendency towards hate and violence. Women have a natural tendency towards compassion and mercy because of their feminine nurturing nature as mothers to be. Men can have a much more hardened heart in general than women making it easier for men to hunt and kill animals or combat other men. I speak in general terms. There will always be exceptions.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

SolomonVII said:
Describing the private parts of God is a waste of time. Describing God as the Father goes to the very nature of what a patriarchy is all about.

Fatherhood is not based on the private parts of a parent. No child defines their own father by his private parts, so it is indeed a waste of time to reduce fatherhood and the patriarchy of God to a penis and testicles.

Fatherhood is a relationship that defines the patriarchy. To the extent that feminism has attempted to destroy that relationship as oppressive, to ridicule it as being all about the phallus, feminism is of the anti-Christ.
And as in the days of John when he first coined the term anti-christ, many of the Christians of his days, as is the case now, described themselves as followers of Christ.

Thank you. I agree with you. To see masculinity and femininity from a strictly anatomical point of view is shallow and superficial. For women to boil men down to a penis is as shallow as men seeing women as sex objects. To view God in these same terms makes it a mockery of God. To say, however, because He is a Spirit, therefore is gender-neutral ignores how God sees Himself in Scriptures.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Micah888 said:
When you look at the reality of how privileged women are in the Western world, Feminism is simply another phony manifestation of "victimhood". Everyone is a victim in the West (or so we are told), even the criminals and the perpetrators. So there is really nothing to embrace.

What should be embraced by Christian women everywhere is Bible truth and its application. Which does not mean that men are exempt. In fact there is a bigger onus on men to do what they are called to do -- be Christian men.

Well said, Micah, at least as far as secular women are concerned. Regarding our sisters in Christ, it is clear to me that many attitudes of secular feminism are antithetical to Christian discipleship for both men and women.

We are to die daily, deny our selves, prefer others over ourselves, give vengeance to God nor recompense evil for evil, forgiving one another as Christ as forgiven us. In Christ we have no rights in our selves, but all rights in Christ.

So it is in the "all rights in Christ" that I see there may be overlap between our sisters in Christ and some of what secular feminists demand. However, our "rights in Christ" are not something that we are to strive for or try to grasp in our own strength so our sisters (as do all the brethren) receive those "rights in Christ" by patiently enduring the buffeting of this world. We have an approach that is utterly contrary to the approach of the world.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

David Comstock said:
First of all, I would dare make fun of you! That is the truth. Here are the facts from a man of my generation. keep in mind please that I'm a.. let it all out sort of fellow. I have never understood the point of feminists. I lived through the burn your bra bunch..honestly I hadn't come to Christ and thought that was fun! Bit embarrassed about that now! No one has ever been able to explain to me what women have to be angry about! That's kind a the point of feminists, the attitude of extreme anger! If they have been raped or groped I can understand individual anger at the man that did the deed. Some men, not many, feel entitled to do this garbage:but to make a federal case out of this? I have been married to the same wonderful woman for nearly 44 years. I love her as much as I did when we first met! She definitely gets my blood rushing even today! She has known many feminists and can't say she understands them! One thing they all seem to have in common...they are victims! They seem to thrive on their being victims. Seems to be one of the main centers of their lives. I've given up trying to understand thriving on victimization. Don't understand it probably never will. so why try.

Thank you for that input. Others have pointed out the victim mentality of feminism, too, and have been mocked and scorned by the sisters who embrace being a feminist. Why do people embrace the victim mentality if they are in Christ makes no sense to me at all. We are more than conquerers in Christ Jesus. We are to be of good cheer, for Christ overcame the world.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

Paidiske said:
I don't believe God holds my husband accountable for my actions, words or thoughts. I believe he holds me accountable.

We are all accountable to God, to be sure, but God still held Adam responsible for not stopping Eve from her deception.

Paidiske said:
I'm not arguing for a Mother or a Goddess or any of that nonsense. I'm arguing that maleness doesn't exist apart from biology/physicality.

I know you are not. But you are arguing that as a Spirit God is gender neutral, which is not supported by Scripture.

Paidiske said:
And please, don't give me any of the "women are more nurturing, men are more disciplinarian" type stereotypical rubbish, because that kind of generalised picture is simply not true of everyone.

Correct. There are exceptions to the general, but the general still remains greater than the exceptions.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

christine40 said:
it seems like women as primary raisers/influencers of children need to teach boys to advocate and respect women when they grow up

I wish my mother did. She encouraged us to have sex with girls outside marriage because she herself had sex with men outside of marriage (my parents divorced when I was 10, so I speak in post divorce time). This ruined my ability to respect and understand women. It has taken the Lord decades to undo that damage in my life, even in my own marriage. I thank God that he showed me how to love my wife as Christ loves the Church, but in the beginning of our marriage I had harmed my wife (not physically, nor in the sense of marital rape) emotionally since I viewed her as a sex object. Fathers should teach their sons how to honor and respect women, but it is with mothers that a sons has their first experience in practicing godly love towards women.

AlexDTX · May 10, 2018

christine40 said:
as a teen learned the neighbor I babysat for was beat up by husband and her face bones broken, she had to leave him

one of my bosses told me she was raped

husband and I helped my co-worker move out from her abusive husband

there are women on CF who have most likely been assaulted, raped, or been in a domestic violence situation
statistically, it's very likely

to say on this thread that it's just women feeling victimized is extremely insensitive to all women
some women, it takes a lifetime to recover from trauma that happened to them

Which is why I started this thread. There are clear violations of women in the world, and I have first hand knowledge, in Christian marriages. I am trying to read every post, even if I can't respond to every post. As I consider what all the men in this thread have said, we all agree that violence against women is antithetical to Christ. The arguments I see are the result of men attributing the negative aspects of secular feminism as part of what the sisters believe too in this thread. I see some negative influence on the sisters, but I don't see them contradicting Christ. Hence I am still seeking the common ground.

mama2one · May 10, 2018

AlexDTX said:
I speak in general terms. There will always be exceptions.

don't hormones change as men get older? thought that some men do become more nurturing as they age

Archivist · May 10, 2018

Micah888 said:
Actually it is not biblical and neither is it Feminism. All of these rights were established before Feminism came on the scene.

Perhaps you should learn your history. The first documented English use of the word feminism was in 1852:

See A Brief History Of The Word "Feminism"

And the right to have abortions is not even a human right (although the so-called pro-choice people will tell you otherwise).

Except I didn't mention the word abortion in my post. I wrote "Having control over one’s own body isn’t Biblical?" Prior to the 1970s there were no marital rape laws in the US, meaning a man could force a woman to have sex against her will.

Archivist · May 10, 2018

SkyWriting said:
Do unto yourself the same as you would ask of others. For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets.

And your point is???? I never said that women should be silent in church.

Archivist · May 10, 2018

Micah888 said:
And the context was NOT a church meeting either.

There were no churches at the time. The fact is that Mary was the first person to preach the Good News of the risen Christ.

Let's keep things in context if we wish to apply Bible truth properly. Women can be witnesses for Christ at any time, but God says that within the context of Christian gatherings for worship, they are to keep silence. Why? There are spiritual principles behind that, which Christians need to learn.

I've asked this before in this thread--are you saying that women at your church do not speak from the moment they enter church until the time they leave?

Zoii · May 10, 2018

AlexDTX said:
This means nothing. Most languages around the world ascribe masculine and feminine gender to inanimate objects. Is a table feminine? It is just a man made object, yet in Spanish, they call it "la mesa" in the feminine. Gender in language is more a matter of people ascribing gender than gender being inherently in the inanimate object.

And I believe that's what religion does by ascribing gender to a spiritual intelligence

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