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Featured Is There Such a Thing as a Biblical Feminist?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by AlexDTX, May 6, 2018.

  1. Philip_B

    Philip_B Let all mortal flesh keep silence ... Supporter

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    But we are expected to respond to the call for justice.
     
  2. Zoii

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    Nonsense. I'd have said that about old men actually
     
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  3. AlexDTX

    AlexDTX Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It's not about the boys knowing, it is about angst the girls have in hiding it.
     
  4. AlexDTX

    AlexDTX Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I know you were not addressing cultural changes, per se, but I was reminded this morning that the Bible says in Ecclesiastes that there is nothing new under the sun. What God wants and what we choose to do does not change what God wants.
     
  5. AlexDTX

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    Great question. And yes. Testosterone levels drop in men as we age. I am almost 65 and my libido has diminished greatly, for which I am grateful. I look more upon wife of 26 years with greater love and affection without the misdirection of sexual lust. But this is also because I am a Christian and long to walk with God in the fullness of his love. When I read the news of all these dirty old men who are being prosecuted for their molestation of younger women, I know they are clinging on to what libido they have and trying to exercise it.

    I don't think women in general understand the male libido. Carnal intimacy for a lost man is the only way they understand how to express love (I speak in general terms, there lost men who were still taught to respect women). It is God's design that consummation be the penultimate expression of love from a man to a woman, but the fallen nature of man short cuts to the cherry bypassing the cake and frosting. Also much of male identity for fallen man is found in their sexual prowess. The more of a stud they are the more of a man they are considered. So men like Harvey Weinstein are trying to cling to their sense of masculinity.

    I reiterate the words "fallen man". This ought not to be so for Christian men who are redeemed, although some never understand it. As I have said before, I did not come to Christ until I was 32. The damage I did to my own ability to love a woman (meaning my wife) as God intended, took a decade of undoing as the Lord taught me to appreciate and love her for who she is, not as a sexual object.

    So the nurturing I have for my wife is not because I am exercising my "feminine side" - which is pure baloney - but because I have a renewed understanding of godly masculinity as demonstrated by my Lord who is the only "real" man to have walked this Earth.
     
  6. AlexDTX

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    I agree with you that such leadership direction is wrong. As I have said before, I think much of that is systemic to organized religion. Godly leaders do not seek power or control over other people. They, like the Holy Spirit, come alongside people to help if they need help. A godly leader understands that everyone that has committed their lives to Christ are in the capable hands of our Lord. Now the Lord may lead a godly leader to step into another person's life but they will not do that without the Lord's leading.

    Organized religion is a business. Our Father's business is not financial, but when a business system is used to support the leaders of the business, our Father's business takes second place to their revenue. Consider Jesus. We assume that prior to his public ministry he worked as a craftsman, whether carpenter or mason matters not, but during his last 3 years He did not work at a craft but was supported by his disciples. Do you think petitioned people for money? The Bible says it was the women who supported Him in His ministry.

    2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples. (Luke 8:2 & 3)

    These women did so without His asking because of gratitude for the godly love He gave them that they had never experienced with any other men.

    Godly leaders walk by faith, trusting the Lord to provide for them. When I went to Bible school, I had no money to go. Three days before I had to leave, without my asking anyone, people just came up to me and gave me money. The next thing I knew, I had thousands dollars for my tuition. Of course, when I got there I looked for a job to pay the rest of my tuition. Finding work is just as much a matter of faith, too, (if any man don't work, don't let him eat) and I found a job in one day because the Lord wanted me there. But when you are in a system it is easy to see the system as your revenue instead of God. By the way, I never went into professional ministry because that was not the leading of the Lord for my going to Bible school. As for the bad advice of some professional clergy, if they are in a denomination, that dictates of that business franchise, determines doctrine to be taught. Thus another trap of religious institutions.
     
  7. AlexDTX

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    Actually He does and He came in the body of the man, Christ Jesus. There is nothing inappropriate of using the language of the Bible which speaks of God in the masculine. As another commenter said, God inspired the Bible and every word is His choice. It is true that the confluence of Scriptures has the language of man blended with the communication of God. So with Luke we get a physicians way of speaking, whereas with Micah we get a shepherd's way of speaking. Nonetheless, God chose the people knowing how they speak to speak for Him.

    Sure, and that should not be done, however, that does not change the truth and value of generalizations.
     
  8. AlexDTX

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    @mkgal1
    All your examples are metaphoric statments.
     
  9. AlexDTX

    AlexDTX Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And you are assuming "image" includes biological creation. I do not. There are many theologians that think that what makes humanity in the image of God is our having a spirit. I disagree with that thought, too. I think being made in the image of God is much more complicated than we can describe and transcends the material creation.
     
  10. AlexDTX

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    Have you been born again? The mission is the good news that God has a new humanity in Christ Jesus. But the giving of the Holy Spirit in the new birth is called a pledge, or down payment (KJV uses the word, "earnest" 2 Cor. 1:22, 5:5, Eph. 1:14 ), for the fullness that is yet to come. Indeed, all creation is waiting for the redemption of our bodies (Rom 8:19-22). This is the importance of Christ being raised bodily from the dead. This is a foundational teaching of the Gospel.
     
  11. mkgal1

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    .....as are ALL the references to God in the Bible (that's been my point I've been trying to make).
     
  12. mkgal1

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    To reduce God to Jesus of Nazareth (which is even minimizing the person of Christ in the Trinity)...is, IMO, to miss a lot of mystery of God. He is much more than that.
     
  13. mkgal1

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    I'm not so sure that I believe in that theology any longer. I believe I'm being "transformed into a new creation" (as is ALL of His creation)....shedding the disease that harms (sin and corruption). But that's not a process that is done *to me*....I believe it takes my participation and awareness.

    I think the Gospel (Good News) is much more than that. Yes....we obviously haven't arrived at the point of "fullness".....but transformation is a process, not an event. There's something in between now and us "waiting for the redemption of our bodies". Paul urges us to "walk in the light" all throughout the New Testament.

    I should be upfront with you: your original comment prompted me to begin another discussion in another thread. Here's the link:How the rapture theology may allow Christians an excuse....
     
  14. SkyWriting

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    It's a problem of environment you helped create
    where girls are ashamed.
     
  15. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    God is Spirit so it in God's spiritual image that we were re-made through a process.
    "asah" - is a process of change.
     
  16. PloverWing

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    If anyone does join the discussion in the other thread, be aware that it's happening in the Egalitarian Christians forum, so please follow the ground rules of that forum.
     
  17. Philip_B

    Philip_B Let all mortal flesh keep silence ... Supporter

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    I would be glad if this thread did not degenerate any further into abject sexism.
     
  18. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Just reading the last page or 2 a few minutes past, I don't see sexism as a problem nearly as much as a false gospel is (painfully present). Beware, be alert. I was just earlier reading Hebrews 4 with the very strong warning from God's Word - "Be terrified" lest anyone fall short..... and those falling short are 'known' and seen every day....
    Rather (for everyone as written) "Today, IF you hear His Voice, harden not your hearts as they did in the wilderness..."
    Remember God swore in His Wrath "They shall not enter My rest ...."

    and entirely seperate but related now (related by the obvious false gospel / delusion)
    just posted this on another thread which is even more important here, I see now.
    SELF-DELUSION
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    A characteristic of wicked people (Psalms 49:18)
    Prosperity frequently leads to (Psalms 30:6; Hosea 12:8; Luke 12:17-19)
    Obstinate sinners often given up to (Psalms 81:11,12; Hosea 4:17; 2 Thessalonians 2:10,11)
    Frequently persevered in, to the end (Matthew 7:22;25:11,12; Luke 13:24,25)
    Fatal consequences of (Matthew 7:23;24:48-51; Luke 12:20; 1 Thessalonians 5:3)
    EXEMPLIFIED » Ahab (1 Kings 20:27,34)
    EXEMPLIFIED » Israelites (Hosea 12:8)
    EXEMPLIFIED » Jews ( John 8:33,41)
    EXEMPLIFIED » The Laodicean congregation (Revelation 3:17)
    EXEMPLIFIED » See CONFIDENCE, FALSE
    EXEMPLIFIED » See SECURITY, FALSE
    Exhibited in thinking that » Our own ways are right (Proverbs 14:12)
    Exhibited in thinking that » We should adhere to established wicked practices (Jeremiah 44:17)
    Exhibited in thinking that » We are pure (Proverbs 30:12)
    Exhibited in thinking that » We are better than others (Luke 18:11)
    Exhibited in thinking that » We are rich in spiritual things (Revelation 3:17)
    Exhibited in thinking that » We may have peace while in sin (Deuteronomy 29:19)
    Exhibited in thinking that » We are above adversity (Psalms 10:6)
    Exhibited in thinking that » Gifts entitle us to go to heaven (Matthew 7:21,22)
    Exhibited in thinking that » Privileges entitle us to enter heaven (Matthew 3:9; Luke 13:25,26)
    Exhibited in thinking that » God will not punish our sins (Jeremiah 5:12)
    Exhibited in thinking that » Christ will not come to condemn us (2 Peter 3:4)
    Exhibited in thinking that » Our lives will be prolonged (Isaiah 56:12; Luke 12:19; James 4:13)
    FROM Self-delusion - Nave's Topical Bible - BibleGateway.com
     
  19. Sammy-San

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    An issue with feminism is men have issues women don't, like false accusations.
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    That is true of men and women - not only false accusations, but false beliefs, deceptions, delusions, false gospels even as noted today and seen today .

    There is truth and freedom and life and peace and joy without measure IN CHRIST.

    IN CHRIST, there is no worry at all about so-called "feminism" nor so many other platforms.

    IN CHRIST there is contentment and rest.
     
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