Is There Such a Thing as a Biblical Feminist?

[Micah888]

I am looking for what is right that Christian women can embrace, if any.

When you look at the reality of how privileged women are in the Western world, Feminism is simply another phony manifestation of "victimhood". Everyone is a victim in the West (or so we are told), even the criminals and the perpetrators. So there is really nothing to embrace.

What should be embraced by Christian women everywhere is Bible truth and its application. Which does not mean that men are exempt. In fact there is a bigger onus on men to do what they are called to do -- be Christian men.

 

[Philip_B]

Feminism is simply another phony manifestation of "victimhood".

I take it from that that you understand absolutely nothing of it.

 

[David Comstock]

In the #MeToo thread it became apparent that several of our believing sisters regard themselves as feminists. I am curious to other sisters, and brothers in the lord, what you all think that means. Secular feminists, in my understanding, is contrary to Biblical femininity. Yet, I can see, however, that there can be some overlap. So I would like to tease out those parts of the feminist movement that are contrary to biblical femininity, and discover those parts that line up. So all comments are welcomed. My only desire is that I do not want anyone to dismiss out of hand what a contrary point of view might be. Thank you for your help.

First of all, I would dare make fun of you! That is the truth. Here are the facts from a man of my generation. keep in mind please that I'm a.. let it all out sort of fellow. I have never understood the point of feminists. I lived through the burn your bra bunch..honestly I hadn't come to Christ and thought that was fun! Bit embarrassed about that now! No one has ever been able to explain to me what women have to be angry about! That's kind a the point of feminists, the attitude of extreme anger! If they have been raped or groped I can understand individual anger at the man that did the deed. Some men, not many, feel entitled to do this garbage:but to make a federal case out of this? I have been married to the same wonderful woman for nearly 44 years. I love her as much as I did when we first met! She definitely gets my blood rushing even today! She has known many feminists and can't say she understands them! One thing they all seem to have in common...they are victims! They seem to thrive on their being victims. Seems to be one of the main centers of their lives. I've given up trying to understand thriving on victimization. Don't understand it probably never will. so why try.

 

[Paidiske]

Since God holds men accountable first, then we have a responsibility to keep our accountability clear.

I don't believe God holds my husband accountable for my actions, words or thoughts. I believe he holds me accountable.

And this is where Bible-believing Christians must draw the line and reject Feminist nonsense. God is NOT the Great Pagan Mother Goddess to whom many Feminists have turned.

God the Father is masculine -- male (Spirit)
God the Son is masculine -- male (the Man Christ Jesus)
God the Holy Spirit is masculine -- male (Spirit)

This is not about anthropomorphisms but God's truth. If we were to "neuter" God, we would have to throw out our Bibles and come up with something humanistic. And this is another indication of the Great Apostasy which has entered into the churches of Christendom.

Note: All the angels are also male, not female as depicted in many paintings.

I'm not arguing for a Mother or a Goddess or any of that nonsense. I'm arguing that maleness doesn't exist apart from biology/physicality.

The apophatic tradition... it's a thing. Sigh.

Fatherhood is not based on the private parts of a parent. No child defines their own father by his private parts, so it is indeed a waste of time to reduce fatherhood and the patriarchy of God to a penis and testicles.

Fatherhood is a relationship that defines the patriarchy.

In the parenting relationship, what's the difference between a father and a mother except for the different biological contribution of each? What is of the essence of a fathering relationship that's different from a mothering relationship?

And please, don't give me any of the "women are more nurturing, men are more disciplinarian" type stereotypical rubbish, because that kind of generalised picture is simply not true of everyone.

 

[Micah888]

I take it from that that you understand absolutely nothing of it.

I understand enough of it to know that it is not biblical. Another philosophy of the world, which seeks to totally overthrow divine revelation with humanistic thought, and also attempts to *neuter* God, and produce gender-neutral Bibles.

 

[Andrew77]

I don't believe God holds my husband accountable for my actions, words or thoughts. I believe he holds me accountable.



I'm not arguing for a Mother or a Goddess or any of that nonsense. I'm arguing that maleness doesn't exist apart from biology/physicality.

The apophatic tradition... it's a thing. Sigh.



In the parenting relationship, what's the difference between a father and a mother except for the different biological contribution of each? What is of the essence of a fathering relationship that's different from a mothering relationship?

And please, don't give me any of the "women are more nurturing, men are more disciplinarian" type stereotypical rubbish, because that kind of generalised picture is simply not true of everyone.

Again, you keep saying things that are literally in the Bible, like men are accountable for their homes... and then saying that isn't true, but Feminism isn't against Christianity.

Well, when you say what is in the Bible is wrong..... and you base that claim on Feminism.... Then Feminism *IS* incompatible with Christianity.

You can keep saying this over and over, and you are just proving your own contradictions here.

Look... it's this simple... Does G-d's word have authority in the life of a Christian? Or does Feminism have authority?

It can't be both. You can't serve two masters in your life. You will love the one, and hate the other. Every time you point to things that are clearly spelled out in scripture, and saying that isn't true based on your Feminist world view... you are showing all of us that Feminism and Christianity can not co-exist.

 

[Archivist]

I understand enough of it to know that it is not biblical. Another philosophy of the world, which seeks to totally overthrow divine revelation with humanistic thought, and also attempts to *neuter* God, and produce gender-neutral Bibles.

So having the right to vote isn’t Biblical? Having the right to own property isn’t Biblical? Earning the same pay for comparable work isn’t Biblical? Having control over one’s own body isn’t Biblical?

I’m wondering if you and I read the same Bible.

And of course God is male. I’m sorry, how can you limit God in that way?

 

[Paidiske]

Again, you keep saying things that are literally in the Bible, like men are accountable for their homes... and then saying that isn't true, but Feminism isn't against Christianity.

Where in the Bible does it say that God will hold a husband accountable for the actions or words of his Christian wife? (Not OT stuff here, but NT, please).

Well, when you say what is in the Bible is wrong..... and you base that claim on Feminism.... Then Feminism *IS* incompatible with Christianity.

I'm not saying the Bible is wrong. I'm saying the people who use it as a warrant for patriarchy misunderstand it.

Look... it's this simple... Does G-d's word have authority in the life of a Christian? Or does Feminism have authority? It can't be both. You can't serve two masters in your life.

False dichotomy. Scripture upholds the equality, value, worth and dignity of women, and so does feminism; there are some wrinkles to be ironed out on the fringes, but feminism is essentially a matter of justice, and Scripture tells us that Christians ought to be very concerned with justice.

So it's not two masters. It's two expressions of the same set of values.

 

[tbenedetto]

1 Corinthians 14
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

 

[Archivist]

1 Corinthians 14
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

Are women permitted to speak in your church, or must they maintain absolute silence from the moment they walk in the church door until they leave the building.

 

[mama2one]

Does G-d's word have authority in the life of a Christian? Or does Feminism have authority?
It can't be both.

feminism is the advocacy of women's right, political, social, economic for equality to men

this is the definition and I looked through whole thread last night and did not see the actual definition

is it not in the Bible to love one another as yourself?
another poster said early on in this thread many atrocities that happen to women throughout the world
(post no. 61)

would think that it would be a good thing for women to feel safe in the world, allowed education, be free of being forced into being child brides, or sexual slavery, or kidnapped and held against their wills, etc

for men to turn blind eyes to the many things that happen to women certainly goes against everything in the Bible

it seems like women as primary raisers/influencers of children need to teach boys to advocate and respect women when they grow up

 

[tbenedetto]

Are we men permitted to speak in your church, or must they maintain absolute silence from the moment they walk in the church door until they leave the building.

If you think that a church is a building, please follow the advise that God gave to you for your own use, shut up in churches

 

[mama2one]

having volunteered in a domestic violence shelter and taken training as a volunteer, heard/saw the toll that violence can take on women and their children

violence happens everyday to your women neighbors, people in your town, in your country, throughout the world

 

[mama2one]

as a teen learned the neighbor I babysat for was beat up by husband and her face bones broken, she had to leave him

one of my bosses told me she was raped

husband and I helped my co-worker move out from her abusive husband

there are women on CF who have most likely been assaulted, raped, or been in a domestic violence situation
statistically, it's very likely

to say on this thread that it's just women feeling victimized is extremely insensitive to all women
some women, it takes a lifetime to recover from trauma that happened to them

 

[Archivist]

If you think that a church is a building, please follow the advise that God gave to you for your own use, shut up in churches

Paul said that women should be silent in a church. How does that apply to me, a man?

 

[tbenedetto]

Paul said that women should be silent in a church. How does that apply to me, a man?

Matthew 23:8

The leader is the one that speaks, Jesus is my leader, and he is the one that speaks
Our duty is be bible confirmed in every thing we say or do

the point is apply the word of God

Matthew 23:3

If people speaks is probably because have something to tell, if you find correct what said respect it and do it yourself


The woman has to shut up in churches, but they have to speak in private with housband

 

[AlexDTX]

That was my point, you see differences with your human eyeballs.
But Jesus sees only the soul and no physical differences of any kind.

That presumes on what Jesus sees, of which you do not know, since you are not Jesus. To interpret that verse beyond its simple meaning of his accepting everyone by faith is to make the verse mean what it does not.

 

[AlexDTX]

There is a lot of variation in "how people think." Some women think very much "like men."

Girls to not have to be embarrassed when they begin menstruating. Neither does one need to reveal this in a scouting club, as far as I know.

Men are on average stronger than women. But certain women are stronger than many men.

You are correct. I am speaking in general. One can always find exceptions. Regarding menstrual embarrassment, I speak from experience. I have taught girls' gymnastics for 40 years, and it is embarrassing to them.

 

[Strong in Him]

The woman has to shut up in churches,

No they don't.
As you have correctly said, the church is not the building; the church is the people. How can a woman "shut up" in a church when she is part of that church?

Paul allowed women to pray and prophesy in church - how do you do that without speaking?

but they have to speak in private with housband

She might not have a husband.

 

[AlexDTX]

1 Corinthians 12 doesn't say anything about differences in the body for men and women.
Paul did not say that the Spirit would only give men the gift of teaching, or women the gifts of service and hospitality.

We all have a part to play in the body of Christ - according to our calling and the gifts we have been given; not our gender.

You missed my point. I am not saying gifts are gender related only that differences is what makes up the body of Christ.