is there really a second virginity?

[CrystalBrooke]

im not saying i have or haven't had sex or if im thinking about it, but i have heard that there is a second virginity you can recieve through praying with a honest and humble heart for forgivness. is this true?
once again please dont jump to conclusions and assume i have or that im thinking of it. thank you

 

[SirKenin]

heh. Believe it or not, there is.. Not through praying, necessarily, but through abstinence. Given enough time you heal over and you can once again break that "seal" with sex.

 

[kermit the toad]

Well, obviously you can't regain your physical virginity, but I think that it may be possible to regain your virginity each time you are "born again" by repenting for your sins and renewing your acceptance of Christ. I don't know if this is accurate or not, and I don't know if I believe it or not, but it seems reasonably possible.

 

[desi]

No there is not. Virginity is a Godly form of ignorace, after sex it is gone.

 

[TTSEC]

Forgive is to forget. If God forgave, which he will given the sinner's sincere heart of repentance, then as far as God is concerned, the individual is a virgin.

 

[DiDiW]

Your virginity is a gift you can only give once. You can gain forgiveness and even a new purity, but your virginity can never be regained once it is lost.

 

[ischus]

No there is not. Virginity is a Godly form of ignorace, after sex it is gone.

I think Paul would disagree.

9"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Cor. 6:9-11)

2"I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him." (2 Cor. 11:2)

 

[makkulu]

I would say there most definitely is a "second" virginity, (though I don't much like the phrase!) especially since not one of us has any purity by virtue of anything other than Christ, regardless of what we have or have not experienced. There is a thread in the women's discussion forum at the moment related to this question, and I have had similar conversations in other threads also previously. Hunt around a bit if you like, Crystal71503, and find some of my old posts (I don't mind) - will save me repeating it all here. And I agree with Ischus; But, 2 Cor 5:17 comes to mind, too, the ol' "new creation" thingy! I am not saying we should approach any of this lightly, but I find the notion that God cannot restore us quite foreign to His nature! He can restore us in any other area, why not this?

Will probably post again later; there is lots more to be said on this, but I won't put the cart before the horse.

Makkulu

 

[CrystalBrooke]

No there is not. Virginity is a Godly form of ignorace, after sex it is gone.

Ok, but isn't God a forgiving God? When you go out and do wrong, of any sin, he forgives you if you ask him. Wouldn't this be the same?

 

[looksgood]

No there is not. Virginity is a Godly form of ignorace, after sex it is gone.

What about rape then? I personaly wouldnt call it sex...but it is sex without consent. I would hope everyone agrees that in such a case the person is still a virgin.

 

[CrystalBrooke]

^ when a woman is raped, she's still a virgin, she didn't give her consent and God knows that, and I believe with all of my heart that she is still pure in his eyes, and that's all that matters, it shouldnt matter what society thinks.

but thats just my 2 cents, if its even worth that

 

[SirKenin]

I know what the word is that I was looking for, it's hymen. The hymen is what breaks and bleeds when you lose your virginity. The hymen will grow back given enough time. Of course, there is also the matter of forgiveness that we shall not overlook

 

[looksgood]

I know what the word is that I was looking for, it's hymen. The hymen is what breaks and bleeds when you lose your virginity. The hymen will grow back given enough time. Of course, there is also the matter of forgiveness that we shall not overlook

Would you be able to provide medical data on this? I am seeing someone who was raped in the past. It bothers me JUST A LITTLE that when I marry her I won't have that blood covanate.

It isn't important. I just feel that God made women with that skin because marriage is an important covenate. I think of breaking the skin as a comfirmation of the covanate. It doesnt bother me though. I mean it isn't something I would lose sleep over. It is just one of those things that would be nice to cherish with my wife.

 

[makkulu]

I am no doctor, but my understanding is that it is common for women to not have a hymen, virgins or not, since it can be broken by a whole bunch of different physical activities. I have looked up info on this in years gone by when it was a question of mine and all the anatomy books I have read (eg Gray's anatomy, the main one used in australia if not elsewhere) say it is not a reliable sign of virginity at all. (And if it's importance is as a sign, it's not as though guys who want to marry a "physical" virgin can look to check for it anyway). There is a thread on the "virgin if raped?" question in womens' discussion if you wanna go read that, looksgood (guys can read on that board, right, just not post except in the men's shed? Have I got that right??). To me, the covenant that is established betw spouses is one established by God, and not blood anyway.

The hymen question these days seems to be most practically important in demonstrating whether a very young girl has been raped or abused, since most young children do have them (I think). Another reason why God invented them perhaps? It isn't seen as conclusive in those cases for older girls, since the presence or absence question by then is far more "hit and miss". Also, the books I mentioned checking in do state that some people are just not even born with one.

Virginity is far more than physical. Looksgood, if you don't mind me saying so, if you wind up marrying the woman you are seeing now, you will not be robbed of anything, and neither will she. It will take healing, of course, but God will make a point of seeing to that personally. What you share will be exclusive and precious, and God will ordain and guard that for you both.

Makk

PS, Crystal, everyone's 2 cents is worth 2 cents on here

 

[SirKenin]

makkulu: According to what little research I have done on this subject (it isn't very high on my priority list, I can tell you that. lol), you are right. Hymens can be broken due to tampon use, they can thin out naturally, or other factors such as masturbation can cause breakage.

If the hymen is thick enough it can regrow to some degree, causing discomfort or bleeding upon insertion.

However the fact of the matter remains that the lack of presence of the hymen does not conclusively indicate the lack of virginity.

 

[looksgood]

Virginity is far more than physical. Looksgood, if you don't mind me saying so, if you wind up marrying the woman you are seeing now, you will not be robbed of anything, and neither will she.

I know that very well. I do not think of her as not a virgin. And I dont think of the hymen as a sign of it. It isnt totaly important.

 

[applepowerpc]

Since we're on the subject, I have somewhat of a graphic question:

I'm getting married. We're both...well...I think there will be bleeding involved. We're spending the first several days of the honeymoon at a Bed & Breakfast (which, incidentally, we'll be their 56th couple honeymooning this year). I want to be good guests at the house, and I've got a couple of practical concerns (I hope not to elaborate...). I'm wondering if any married people might have any ideas what to do?

 

[desi]

Ok, but isn't God a forgiving God? When you go out and do wrong, of any sin, he forgives you if you ask him. Wouldn't this be the same?

Forgiveness is not changing what has been done so much as taking the blame of what has been done away. If you kill someone you can be forgiven but you will live with having done the act for the rest of your days.

 

[desi]

Since we're on the subject, I have somewhat of a graphic question:

I'm getting married. We're both...well...I think there will be bleeding involved. We're spending the first several days of the honeymoon at a Bed & Breakfast (which, incidentally, we'll be their 56th couple honeymooning this year). I want to be good guests at the house, and I've got a couple of practical concerns (I hope not to elaborate...). I'm wondering if any married people might have any ideas what to do?

Lay on a towel.

 

[desi]

I know that very well. I do not think of her as not a virgin. And I dont think of the hymen as a sign of it. It isnt totaly important.

Don't fool yourself as it is part of the package.