Is there really a 1000 year reign ?

[A Brother In Christ]

There is no literal 1,000 yr reign of Christ. There is only his Second Coming. We are right now in the time of Christs reign through the Church.

if you are right when did it start...

questions on verses matt 24:21, ...not 70 ad since WWII is much larger
isiaih 11:6,
exekiel 47:1-10,
isaiah 2:1-5
when does these verses happen now

 

[A Brother In Christ]

WHAT can i say but you are SO lost ____the 7 heads on 7 mountains is not a physical thing, why do you always see all as physical?

" ON WHICH THE WOMEN SITTETH,"

I believe that the woman is an organization like a ship refered to as she..

the seven hills decribes where this organization is ...

but you are getting angry ...why?

lets look at prophecy any where in the bible to see how literal it is...
or let look at matt 13:24-30 how Son of God explained this parable matt 13:36-43...do not forget matt 13:10-13 on why in parables family truth not for the people across the street to hear

 

[A Brother In Christ]

yes there is a 1000 year period my dear, and it began at this the 3 rd millimeum.

it has been written 1 day is likened to 1000 years, that correlates the 3rd day rise and the 3 rd mill.

so where is the New Jersalem... that is decribed in scripture...
that floats above the earth and giving light to the world since the sun is Gone..
2 peter 3:10-13, duet 32:22,rev 21-22:5

 

[Justme]

Hi brother,

What verses are you using to form the opinion that the great trib had to be the largest? the worst? the most deaths? whatever?

All I recall is the great trib will be like no other that has occurred in history or ever will.

Justme

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Hi brother,

What verses are you using to form the opinion that the great trib had to be the largest? the worst? the most deaths? whatever?

All I recall is the great trib will be like no other that has occurred in history or ever will.

Justme

Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Isaiah 30:26 ...has not happened yet


very Hot

 

[exodus19]

so where is the New Jersalem... that is decribed in scripture...
that floats above the earth and giving light to the world since the sun is Gone..
2 peter 3:10-13, duet 32:22,rev 21-22:5

ps 87: 2 'the lord loveth the gates of Zion"
87:7" the Lord shall count when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there"
102 :16 " When the lord shall build up Zion....."

96:1 " o sing unto the Lord a 'new song', sing unto the Lord....."
97"10" ye that love the lord, hate evil, ie sin. He preserveth the souls of His saints, He delivereth them out of the wicked."
116:9 " i will walk before the Lord in the land of the living.."
132:13 " for the lord hath chosen Zion.......
132:17" There will i make the hoirn of David to bud
132:19 " His enemies will i clothe with shame, but upon himself shall his crown flourish"
_____that is a very significant verse, the 'clothing of shame' implies cast into the "lake of fire". and the crown flourish is the angels or the virgins elect.

133:1 " NOTE " Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for the brothers to live together., in unity" ______do you hear that?
149:1 "Praise ye thge Lord.Sing unto Him aa new song, and His prasie in the congregation of saints"

144"9 " i will sing a new song unto thee o God..."

read hear 10,11, ___very cool then 12" That are sons may be as plants grown up in their youth, that our daughters may be as cornerstones, polished after the likeness of the palace"" ____that's just beautifully new Zion.

hear the repetition of the new song that is the new song of Moses.


isaiah 51:11 " therefore the redeemed of the Lord shall return, and come with singing unto Zion, and everlasting joy shall be upon their head...."
16" i have put the words in you mouth and i shall plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of earth, and say unto Zion.Thou art my people.
54:13 ' and all the children shall be taught of the Lord, and great shall be the peace...."
65:16 " Behold I create new heavens and a new earth......

jerem 17:25 " then shall there enter into the gates of this city kings and princes sitting on the throne of David, riding in chariots.........and this city will remain forever.
23:5 ' behold the days come saith the lord that i will raise unto David a righteous branch and aa King shall reign....
6" and in the days judah shall be saved and isreqal shall dwell safelu and this is his name whereby he shall be called, The Lord Our Righteousness"



there are so many more it's noit possible to put them all together here.

these point all refer to the book of revelation and new jerusalem

not the rebuiding of old nor the israel today.

the literal expression to floating above is simply b/c of a carnal perspective,

the heavens are new jersusalem and the inhabitants are angels and saints, and those virgins made white and the throne.

Now the gates will remain open and we will always have more coming but it just goes on and on as the 1000 year period.

where is it ? it's still in spirit right now but it will manifest as when you all understand the procedures needed to be taken as acts of God forthcoming and all the events lining up on schedule.

it's not simply magical, like this floating city and you fly up to the sky.

It's as promised and will happen accordingly.

this is not some mythology thing guys, that talk is for the false prophets.

symbolism is definately real but you must hear it properly.

well i must go, it's my sons 18 birthday today and it's dinner time, ya man.

peace out

 

[Justme]

Hi brother,

Matt 24:21.......okay, that is what I thought.

Thanks
Justme

 

[exodus19]

Isaiah 30:26 ...has not happened yet


very Hot

but that is relevent to these times,

read on
27,28, 29, 30, 31, is all the sword in my mouth .

as you can see it's intense and it's loving and it's giving and forgiving.

look at 33:14" the sinners in Zion are afraid, fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites....
do you understand this point?
and read 16.

the gret trib is on a roll and is as written increasing as the time approaches the throne days. and it will get worse but the chosen will be right there following in line.

it's all on the near horizon,

just see

 

[ross3421]

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[A Brother In Christ]

but that is relevent to these times,

read on
27,28, 29, 30, 31, is all the sword in my mouth .

as you can see it's intense and it's loving and it's giving and forgiving.

look at 33:14" the sinners in Zion are afraid, fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites....
do you understand this point?
and read 16.

the gret trib is on a roll and is as written increasing as the time approaches the throne days. and it will get worse but the chosen will be right there following in line.

it's all on the near horizon,

just see

Yes I understand Isiaih 33:14...Matt 13:41-42 is why they are afraid ..

believer are given a new heart when they believe in the 1000 reign thus they do not sin any more

 

[epoheno]

In Rev. 19:20 The beast was taken, and with him the false prophet were both cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Amil: Happens just before the GWT judgment. The Beast is Gog

Question: Israel is depicted in Ez. 38:8 as a land that has already been brought back and has been already gathered out the nations. Ez. 38:11-12 depicts Israel as dwelling safely without walls with no bars or gates. They are shown as having gotten goods of cattle, gold, and silver.

Scripture declares that Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Deut. 30:1-9 Declares and predicts that Israel will be scattered throughout all the nations (fulfilled) and it also declares that ONLY IF they return to the Lord will all their soul that God will gather them again into the land.

THEN and not before, will the Lord do them good and multiply them and put their curses upon those that hated them and make them plentious in goods and cattle.
Israel has come and gone out of Jerusalem in varying numbers for hundreds of years but they are not being gathered even up to this day in any fullfilment of this prophecy because as of yet they are still in a state of rebellion against Jesus Christ.

Jesus told them "Your house is left unto desolate and I will see you no more until you cry out blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

This seige upon Israel by Gog in Ez. 38-39 assumes that position has already been achieved as described here:

And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

And Ez. 38:14:

In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

One might say that is a minor distinction not worthy of attention but it places this war outside the perimeters of Armeggedon and places it in exactly the same status that John in Rev. puts it: At the end of the 1000 years.

Any similarities from then on out as to the birds eating their flesh is immaterial to the argument unless one can first establish that Israel is in a saved condition before the seige begins, which is impossible in the Armegeddon status.

They are not saved until the very end of Armegeddon when Jesus Christ appears out of heaven with the saints. Thus the Gog and Magog prophecy does not pertain to Armeggedon but to a state distinctly 1000 years later.

The confusion may arise because the Gog Magog dialog ceases at Ez. 39:16. The next verse and on pertains to the Battle of Armegeddon and describes an entirely different status as to Israel's condition.

Here the dialog places Israel in a state of being converted which brings us to Armegeddon:

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.(they are converted here)
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.(they are not dwelling safely with God's blessing upon them)

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, (gathering begins) and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.(past tense condition)

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, (the status specifically enumerated in Ez. 38-39 concerning Gog and Magog) and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, (they accept Jesus Christ as their King)which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, (they cry out Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord) and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, (fulfilling Zech. 12:10 when God pours out his spirit upn Israel at the time of the mourning and repentance for what they have done in rejecting their Messiah) saith the Lord GOD.

Ezek 39:23-29 (KJV)

These distinctions and many others require one to leave the scripture alone and the 1000 years condition in place as scripture dictates. Gog and Magog is an entirely different war than Armegeddon both in time and situation.

There is a scriptural way to reconcile the resurrection of the dead in Dan. 12:2 with the resurrection in Rev. 20:4-6 without destroying other scriptures to do it. All scripture is given by inspiration of God. The same God that said Armegeddon said Gog and Magog. The same God who said both righteous and wicked would raise at the end of the 3 1/2 year reign of the beast in Dan. 12:2 said the rest of the dead would not rise until the 1000 years were finished.

There is a solution to the 'rest of the dead' in Rev. 20:4-6. if any would care to discuss it.


Blessing upon the Israel Of God

 

[epoheno]

In Rev. 19:20 The beast was taken, and with him the false prophet were both cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Amil: Happens just before the GWT judgment. The Beast is Gog

Question: Israel is depicted in Ez. 38:8 as a land that has already been brought back and has been already gathered out the nations. Ez. 38:11-12 depicts Israel as dwelling safely without walls with no bars or gates. They are shown as having gotten goods of cattle, gold, and silver.

Scripture declares that Jerusalem will be trodden down of the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Deut. 30:1-9 Declares and predicts that Israel will be scattered throughout all the nations (fulfilled) and it also declares that ONLY IF they return to the Lord will all their soul that God will gather them again into the land.

THEN and not before, will the Lord do them good and multiply them and put their curses upon those that hated them and make them plentious in goods and cattle.
Israel has come and gone out of Jerusalem in varying numbers for hundreds of years but they are not being gathered even up to this day in any fullfilment of this prophecy because as of yet they are still in a state of rebellion against Jesus Christ.

Jesus told them "Your house is left unto desolate and I will see you no more until you cry out blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord."

This seige upon Israel by Gog in Ez. 38-39 assumes that position has already been achieved as described here:

And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

And Ez. 38:14:

In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

One might say that is a minor distinction not worthy of attention but it places this war outside the perimeters of Armeggedon and places it in exactly the same status that John in Rev. puts it: At the end of the 1000 years.

Any similarities from then on out as to the birds eating their flesh is immaterial to the argument unless one can first establish that Israel is in a saved condition before the seige begins, which is impossible in the Armegeddon status.

They are not saved until the very end of Armegeddon when Jesus Christ appears out of heaven with the saints. Thus the Gog and Magog prophecy does not pertain to Armeggedon but to a state distinctly 1000 years later.

The confusion may arise because the Gog Magog dialog ceases at Ez. 39:16. The next verse and on pertains to the Battle of Armegeddon and describes an entirely different status as to Israel's condition.

Here the dialog places Israel in a state of being converted which brings us to Armegeddon:

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.(they are converted here)
23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.(they are not dwelling safely with God's blessing upon them)

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, (gathering begins) and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.(past tense condition)

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, (the status specifically enumerated in Ez. 38-39 concerning Gog and Magog) and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, (they accept Jesus Christ as their King)which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, (they cry out Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord) and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, (fulfilling Zech. 12:10 when God pours out his spirit upn Israel at the time of the mourning and repentance for what they have done in rejecting their Messiah) saith the Lord GOD.

Ezek 39:23-29 (KJV)

These distinctions and many others require one to leave the scripture alone and the 1000 years condition in place as scripture dictates. Gog and Magog is an entirely different war than Armegeddon both in time and situation.

There is a scriptural way to reconcile the resurrection of the dead in Dan. 12:2 with the resurrection in Rev. 20:4-6 without destroying other scriptures to do it. All scripture is given by inspiration of God. The same God that said Armegeddon said Gog and Magog. The same God who said both righteous and wicked would raise at the end of the 3 1/2 year reign of the beast in Dan. 12:2 said the rest of the dead would not rise until the 1000 years were finished.

There is a solution to the 'rest of the dead' in Rev. 20:4-6. if any would care to discuss it.


Blessing upon the Israel Of God

 

[ross3421]

One might say that is a minor distinction not worthy of attention but it places this war outside the perimeters of Armeggedon and places it in exactly the same status that John in Rev. puts it: At the end of the 1000 years.

Epoheno

First Jerusalem (Babylon) will be ravished by the nations surrounding her. Then the armies of God are seen battling in Jerusalem and will kill a great number (Joel 2). After which God will gather the remaining into a valley whereby Christ will wipe them out.

Zec 14:1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.Zec 14:2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.Zec 14:3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.Zec 14:4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.Zec 14:5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

This is no different than the account in Rev. 20.

The AC will decieve the world and gather them to battle. Note if there is a battle there is two armies.....

Re 20:8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
They will surround Jerusalem.

Re 20:9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:

Christ destroys them.

Re 20:9and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.



Where does it say that the battle is at Armageddon? It just states that they are gathered at this place.

There is a previous battle which involves the armies of God at Jerusalem.

They are not saved until the very end of Armegeddon when Jesus Christ appears out of heaven with the saints. Thus the Gog and Magog prophecy does not pertain to Armeggedon but to a state distinctly 1000 years later.

How can there be another battle once Christ has returned?

Isa 2:4And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

These distinctions and many others require one to leave the scripture alone and the 1000 years condition in place as scripture dictates. Gog and Magog is an entirely different war than Armegeddon both in time and situation.

We disagree on this one, look over it again. They are both the same as shown above.


Mark.

 

[Just The Facts]

[font=&quot]Hi epoheno

You are correct Armageddon and gog and Magog are two different battles that happen over 1,000 years apart.

I will start a thread on this
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[epoheno]

Mark-

Please don't sign off with 'we disagree about this one' We don't want to follow the pattern of almost all denominations that have it figured out no matter what scripture says.

It is not a crime to be mistaken about something. I have re-evaluated my position a number of times maybe just because one tiny scripture that I couldn't seem to reconcile in my head. When I acknowledged that one tiny scripture I just 'listened my way in' to a greater understanding.

Please take it very slow with me and don't just put a bunch of stuff out there that seems to be in some kind of code or something that I am not aware of what you mean.

For example, when you say this:

First Jerusalem (Babylon) will be ravished by the nations surrounding her. Then the armies of God are seen battling in Jerusalem and will kill a great number (Joel 2). After which God will gather the remaining into a valley whereby Christ will wipe them out.

I am really at a loss to understand what time you are in or what battle you are referring to.

1) What scripture is telling you that Jerusalem is Babylon?

2) Do you believe the 'armies of God' are the saints that come back with Christ at his second coming?

And the armies which were in heaven (resurrected saints?) followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:14 (KJV)

...and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints (resurrected saints?) with thee. Zech. 14:5

3) Where are you getting that after God kills a great number of them that he will gather the remaining into a valley whereby Christ will wipe them out?

4) What valley are you talking about and where does scripture say that?


Please adress the specific scripture we are talking about and not just the belief you hold to. The distinctions I brought out in Ezekial you did not address you just said:

This is no different than the account in Rev. 20.

If there are differences then it is not the same as if there were no differences.

The AC will decieve the world and gather them to battle. Note if there is a battle there is two armies.....

What do you mean when you say: Note if there is a battle there is two armies....
What two armies are you talking about and where is the scripture that says two armies?

You said: Where does it say that the battle is at Armageddon? It just states that they are gathered at this place.

I don't follow your logic here either. Where does what say that the battle is at Armegeddon? I am not the one saying that Armegddon is Gog and Magog, you are. I don't see why you are asking me since it seems to be your belief that they are the same war.

There is a previous battle which involves the armies of God at Jerusalem

I thought you were saying both Armegeddon and Gog and Magog were the same battle. What previous battle which involves the armies of God at Jerusalem are you talking about? I call that one Armeggedon, what do you call it?

Bless you--- Looking forward to your thoughts...

 

[ross3421]

1) What scripture is telling you that Jerusalem is Babylon?

Previous thread.

Babylon Rev. 17 = Jerusalem

Much debate on which city is Babylon of Rev. 17; New York, Babylon (Iraq), Rome and so on....

Question, if you were claiming to be the return of the Messiah where would you set up camp?

Re 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The harlot

The bible only has spoken of one such city as a harlot, Jerusalem.

Chapters which relate Jerusalem to being a harlot.

Isaiah chapter 1
Jeremiah chapter 3
Ezekiel chapter 16
Hosea chapter 4

Rev. 17:16 - We see lovers will strip her, this is seen happening to Jerusalem in EZ 16:37.

Rev. 18: 4 - In addition, God called for “MY PEOPLE” to come out of this city and not be partakers of her sins. This reference is to those you will keep the commandments his people Israel.

Rev. 18:6 – This woman is rewarded double for her iniquity. This “double” punishment is seen to Jerusalem in Isaiah 4:2 and Jer. 16:18, 17:18.

Rev. 18:7 - She denies that she is a harlot and a widow, Jerusalem is described as a widow in Lam 1:1.

Rev. 18:22, 23 – We see that the LIGHT OF A CANDLE and the VOICE OF THE BRIDEGROOM and SOUNS OF MILLSTONES shall be heard no more out from this city. This event is seen occurring to Jerusalem in Jer. 7:34, 16:9, 25:10, 33:11.

2) Do you believe the 'armies of God' are the saints that come back with Christ at his second coming?

Yes but as I have commented elsewhere the saints represent the martyred not everyone.

3) Where are you getting that after God kills a great number of them that he will gather the remaining into a valley whereby Christ will wipe them out?

Eze 5:2Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled: and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife: and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.

Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city


City is Jerusalem which events are described in the verses below.

Re 9:17"And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone. "


Re 9:18By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

This scene in dipicted in Joel and gives indepth detail.

Joe 2:1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;Joe 2:2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.Joe 2:3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.Joe 2:4The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.Joe 2:5Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.Joe 2:6Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.Joe 2:7They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:Joe 2:8Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.Joe 2:9They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.Joe 2:10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:Joe 2:11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?


Thou shall take a third part and and smite it about with a knife

After defending the city Jerusalem God then gathers the nations into a valley for slaughter.

I have thought that it was only Megidon however it appears that Christ will cause one great valley to encompass all the valleys near Jerusalem....

Zec 14:4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.Zec 14:5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


So again there is a battle in Jerusalem whereby the army of God does battle then the remainder are gathered into a valley and destroyed by thier leader. King of Kings.

Mark.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Mark-


I am really at a loss to understand what time you are in or what battle you are referring to.

1) What scripture is telling you that Jerusalem is Babylon?

this to wrong statement ...
Revelations 17:9 states that Babylon had seven heads and seven hills
1 peter 5:13 states that to the church of babylon yet peter is in Rome
Babylon is the governments center at that time...

2) Do you believe the 'armies of God' are the saints that come back with Christ at his second coming?

And the armies which were in heaven (resurrected saints?) followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Rev 19:14 (KJV)

...and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints (resurrected saints?) with thee. Zech. 14:5

Yes the glorified saints get to help judge the world 1 cor 6:2 with Christ after the tribulation but there is also new believers in the 1000 yr reign

3) Where are you getting that after God kills a great number of them that he will gather the remaining into a valley whereby Christ will wipe them out?

The End of the great tribulation there are Battles and at the end of the 1000 yr reign there is a one rebellion that is put down after satan is unleashed

4) What valley are you talking about and where does scripture say that?

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[Luke950]

I must agree with those who maintain that Jesus WILL reign not only for the last 1.000 yrs of this Present Age, but also will forever reign in the New Heaven and Earth...

 

[exodus19]

why do you think that babylon has seven heads, which heads can they be.

notice the address to the 7 churches in rev 2 & 3

why 7?

7 represents all or completeness or the lords day, or in the Lords hands.

it should be understood that the numbers have signifcance and not always limitations or taken literally that would be foolish.

7 is all over the Bible from beginning to end.
it would be like saying their were are only 144,000
or the number 666 is going to be a tatoo or something.______not

modern day jehovahs purported that theory, just stupidity taken the Word literally again.

try and see with me

well have at it guys , i'm off for the next 8 hours

peace and may the words of the Holy Spirit be with you