Is there really a 1000 year reign ?

[ross3421]

why do you think that babylon has seven heads, which heads can they be.

notice the address to the 7 churches in rev 2 & 3

You have actually answered your own question without realizing it.......

Seven heads of the beast represent all those which have received the Mark of the beast i.e the false church.

Mark.

 

[Kingdom_Come]

why do you think that babylon has seven heads, which heads can they be.

Actually Babylon does not have 7 heads. Babylon sits in dominion over the beast which has 7 heads. The imagery correlates with the explanation given by the angel. Remember it is the 10 horns from this same 7 headed beast which destroy her.

Seven heads of the beast represent all those which have received the Mark of the beast i.e the false church.

Read Revelation 17 and 18. This is not talking about a false religion.

 

[ross3421]

Read Revelation 17 and 18. This is not talking about a false religion.

There will be no religion on the earth at this time, but the worship of a king whom all those on earth believe is Christ.

Babylon is the kingdom of Satan on earth, a counterfeit kingdom. The 7 heads represent those inhabinants a false church the 10 horns represent 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Do you understand?


Mark.

 

[Kingdom_Come]

Do you understand?

Do I understand what you are saying? Yes. Do I agree with it? No. I have responded to a thread you started which I think is on the same subject. I am interested in your answer to my question there.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

There will be no religion on the earth at this time, but the worship of a king whom all those on earth believe is Christ.

Babylon is the kingdom of Satan on earth, a counterfeit kingdom. The 7 heads represent those inhabinants a false church the 10 horns represent 10 of the 12 tribes of Israel.

Do you understand?


Mark.

Babylon is where a goverment is the center of the world...

Babylon during babylon reigning
Rome was called babylon 1 peter 5:13

The harlot ...who sitteth on many waters..rev 17:1 who disceives the nations ..rev 17:15

who is this since satan was called rev 12:9

different people being described here

 

[ross3421]

bumped up.....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I had heard the 3 different 1000yr periods and maybe have to do with the 70 weeks of Daniel/time, times, half a time. I thought it sounded kind of odd that he would say "bound for a 1000yrs" , then thrown into the abysss for until the 1000yr finished.
Another words, why wouldn't he just say bound and threw him into the abyss for a 1000yrs? Confusing.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw a messenger coming down out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a great chain over his hand, 2 and he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, who is Devil and Adversary, and did bind him a thousand years,

3 and he cast him to the abyss, and did shut him up, and put a seal upon him, that he may not lead astray the nations any more, till the thousand years may be finished; and after these it behoveth him to be loosed a little time.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High; and he shall think to change the seasons and the law; and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and half a time.

Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL . Study the following....

Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Satan destroyed upon Christ's return

2th 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:2th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We see both Satan (the Wicked) and his son of perdition both destroyed upon Christ's return so how can this happen 1000 years later.?


Death is destroyed upon the return of Christ.

1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1co 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.1co 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.1co 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Christ currently reigns on the right hand and upon his returns he will destroy death itself hence there will nor can there be death any longer during a so-called 1000 years.

The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.

Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.

Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years


Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.

Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”

Satan is loosed for a little season prior to the 1000 years

Rev 6:11 - “and white robes were given unto everyone of them, that they should rest for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled”.

Rev 12:12 - “…..for the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time”.

Rev 17:10 - “…..and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”.

Also, this would mean that the 1000 year reign would actually be 1000 plus as Satan is loosened after a 1000 years? Ops! How long is this "little season" supposed to be after the 1000 years ?

Gog and Ma’-Gog gathered to battle prior to the 1000 years

Ezek 38:16-22 - “and thou shall come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, o Gog, before their eyes…..(v.18) and it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, that my fury shall come up in my face…..(v.20)…..and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (v.22)…..and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone”.

Furthermore, there can be no battle during a supposed 1000 years.....

Mic 4:3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

Went up on the breadth of the earth prior to the 1000 years

If one ponders this phrase “and they went up on the breadth of the earth”, one understands that something or someone must come from beneath the earth! But how can this be? Here underlies a great mystery, Satan's main weapon of attack; to indwell mankind with demonic spirits for his will. This same tactic was used prior to the flood, and we know what God did to the earth after that; he destroyed it! Lets look into detail of this demonic assault prior to Christ appearing.

Rev 9:2 - “and he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit”.

Here we see the bottomless pit opened allowing them to come up on the breadth of the earth.

Rev 9:3 - “and there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as scorpions of the earth have power”.

First thing to understand is that locusts (the species) comes from beneath the earth when they come into being. Second, these are no ordinary locusts, they have power like scorpions and in Luke 10:17-20 we read;

“and the seventy returned again with joy, saying even the devils are subject unto us though thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you…..”

These locusts are demonic spirits; devils!

Rev 16:13,14 -“and I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God almighty”.

Fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them prior to the 1000 years

This in Rev 20:9 is none other than his return, the second coming of Christ!!!

Revelation chapter 20 is rehash of prior events. These events will not happen twice.

1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal

Christ will come and set up an everlasting not temporal kingdom.

In Christ, Mark.

Interesting thread. Thought I would bump it up as that 1000yr period has caused a lot of confusing in Christianity [the jews and muslims don't believe that book is inspired, so no debating with them on it]. Anymore thoughts?

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Temple of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Temple [#3485] be Casting Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.

Revelation 21:15 And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the City, its gates, and its wall.
(Young)

Revelation 14:20 and was trodden[#3961] the wine-press [#3025] outside [#1854] of the City

Matthew 26:3 Then the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of the people assembled at the palace [#833] of the high priest, who was called Caiaphas,

Matthew 8:12 "But the sons [#5207] of the kingdom [#932] shall be being "cast out" [#1544] into outer [#1857] darkness.

 

[DeaconDean]

1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal

So I guess when the Lord revealed to Jeremiah that Israel would go captive into Babylon for seventy years and then at the end of those seventy years He would punish Babylon (Jer. 25;11-12) that also is just a metaphor, and God doesn't give timelines as the real thing only to be taken as metaphors?

Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.

"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." -Rev. 20:4

When at anytime in the course of history has it been required for anybody to receive a mark?

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." -Rev. 20:10

When in the course of history did the devil and the beast and the false prophet get cast into the lake of fire?

"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." -Rev. 20:11-15

And when did this judgment happen?


Yes friend,

these events have happened previously.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So I guess when the Lord revealed to Jeremiah that Israel would go captive into Babylon for seventy years and then at the end of those seventy years He would punish Babylon (Jer. 25;11-12) that also is just a metaphor, and God doesn't give timelines as the real thing only to be taken as metaphors?
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Well bro, the time line for Daniel 11 and 12 and the 70 weeks is looong past, so something is not "Jiving" with Scriptures, wouldn't you say? Help me out on Daniel 11 over here pweeese. I do hate contradictions in the Bible, so I like to clear them up so I can tell the Atheists and Muslims that the WHOLE Bible is the True Word of God. Thanks.

http://www.christianforums.com/t2750399-daniel-11-is-about-antiochus.html

Dan 10:14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision [refers] to [many] days yet [to come."]


Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .

Daniel 12:11 "And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] is taken away, and an abomination of desolation is set up, [there shall be] one thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 "Blessed [is] he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days. 13 "But you, go [your way] till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days."

I assume the word "ALL" isn't a "metaphor"?

Luke 21:22 "For these are the Days of Vengeance, that ALL [#3956] Things which are Written may be Fulfilled.

1 Peter 4:7 But the End of ALL [#3956] things is at hand; therefore be serious and watchful in your prayers.

3956. pas pas including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:--all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Little

lets cut to the chase.

Did Rev 19:11 get fulfilled in the first century.

 

[interpreter]

I agree that the Day of the Lord is a thousand years long. (See II Peter 3:8). It includes a glorious 1000-year reign of Jesus and the Church, followed by a destruction of the Earth by fire from heaven.

I would like to point out a few other 1000-year reigns. First, the kingdom of Israel lasted approximately 1000 years (until the destruction of the Temple in 70AD).

Second, the first Christian kingdom, the Byzantine empire, lasted well over 1000 years. In the historist view, St. Constantine and his sucessors are the 1st horseman of the Revelation. (Constantine rode a white horse and conquered with a bow). It is also worth noting that the square miles encompassed by the New Jerusalem is the same as the area ruled by Constantine and the first Christian empire.

Third, the 2nd Christian kingdom, the Holy Roman Empire, also lasted over 1000 years, from 800 to 1806. That supports the view that Chrarlemagne and his sucessors are the 2nd horseman. (Charlemagne rode a red horse and conquered with a "great sword"ie, lance).

Any thoughts on the 3 thousand-year reigns so far?

Barry

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dan 10:14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision [refers] to [many] days yet [to come."]


Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .

Hi Little
lets cut to the chase.
Did Rev 19:11 get fulfilled in the first century.

PP's feel a lot of it is past, historicists feel it is happening over time, some futurists feel it is ALL future. Too confusing for me bro. Reve lation shows 2 "endtimes", the Bible only shows ONE.

Might be better to ask the jews that since Daniel 9 thru 12 is against their Nation and they are the ones missing a Temple and Sancturay I think. I am just putting up scripture to discuss and get views on. I have a hard time discussing this with Atheists and even Muslims, and I usually don't have the answers for them. The muslims feel the Kingdom of God was taken from the jews and given to Ishmael and his Princes. SIGH.

http://www.christianforums.com/f76-non-christian-religion.html

Romans 16:20 And the God of peace will break in pieces/bruise [#4937] Satan under Your feet in swiftness. [#5034] The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ [be] with you. Amen.

Revelation 1:1 A revelation of Jesus Christ, that God gave to him, to shew to his Servants what things it behoveth to come to pass in swiftness; [#5034]

Matt 23:38 "See! Your House is left to you a Wilderness;

John 11:48 "If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation."

 

[A Brother In Christ]

I agree that the Day of the Lord is a thousand years long. (See II Peter 3:8). It includes a glorious 1000-year reign of Jesus and the Church, followed by a destruction of the Earth by fire from heaven.

I would like to point out a few other 1000-year reigns. First, the kingdom of Israel lasted approximately 1000 years (until the destruction of the Temple in 70AD).

Second, the first Christian kingdom, the Byzantine empire, lasted well over 1000 years. In the historist view, St. Constantine and his sucessors are the 1st horseman of the Revelation. (Constantine rode a white horse and conquered with a bow). It is also worth noting that the square miles encompassed by the New Jerusalem is the same as the area ruled by Constantine and the first Christian empire.

Third, the 2nd Christian kingdom, the Holy Roman Empire, also lasted over 1000 years, from 800 to 1806. That supports the view that Chrarlemagne and his sucessors are the 2nd horseman. (Charlemagne rode a red horse and conquered with a "great sword"ie, lance).

Any thoughts on the 3 thousand-year reigns so far?

Barry

yet there is scripture in the OT that states that the dead sea is healed while Israel is in the kingdom..ezek 47:1-10

but what ever

let alone that Matt 24:21 that states that the effect of the great tribulation will never again happen yet almost 2 thousanded years from Christ death 50 million plus people died during WWII ...so 70 AD destruction of the Jersalam ...do not cut the cake

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yet there is scripture in the OT that states that the dead sea is healed while Israel is in the kingdom..ezek 47:1-10

but what ever

let alone that Matt 24:21 that states that the effect of the great tribulation will never again happen yet almost 2 thousanded years from Christ death 50 million plus people died during WWII ...so 70 AD destruction of the Jersalam ...do not cut the cake

Tell that to the jews who were in it and may be in it again.

Ezekiel 22:19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt [it;] so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. 21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

Revelation 18:18 "and cried out when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, 'What [is] like this great city?'

 

[A Brother In Christ]

Tell that to the jews who were in it and may be in it again.

yet 3 million vs 50 million in a tribulation

yet the dead sea is not healed...

we are not there Yet the GREAT TRIBULATION will be much worst

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

yet there is scripture in the OT that states that the dead sea is healed while Israel is in the kingdom..ezek 47:1-10........but what ever

let alone that Matt 24:21 that states that the effect of the great tribulation will never again happen yet almost 2 thousanded years from Christ death 50 million plus people died during WWII ...so 70 AD destruction of the Jersalam ...do not cut the cake

Tell that to the jews who were in it and may be in it again.

yet 3 million vs 50 million in a tribulation

yet the dead sea is not healed...

we are not there Yet the GREAT TRIBULATION will be much worst

It will Did Jesus lie to the jews?
http://www.christianforums.com/t2864873-did-jesus-lie-to-the-jews.html

Ezekiel 22:19 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: 'Because you have all become dross, therefore behold, I will gather you into the midst of Jerusalem. 20 '[As men] gather silver, bronze, iron, lead, and tin into the midst of a furnace, to blow fire on it, to melt [it;] so I will gather [you] in My anger and in My fury, and I will leave [you there] and melt you. 21 'Yes, I will gather you and blow on you with the fire of My wrath, and you shall be melted in its midst. 22 'As silver is melted in the midst of a furnace, so shall you be melted in its midst; then you shall know that I, the LORD, have poured out My fury on you.' "

 

[inhisdebt]

Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL . Study the following....

Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Satan destroyed upon Christ's return

2th 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:2th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We see both Satan (the Wicked) and his son of perdition both destroyed upon Christ's return so how can this happen 1000 years later.?


Death is destroyed upon the return of Christ.

1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1co 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.1co 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.1co 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Christ currently reigns on the right hand and upon his returns he will destroy death itself hence there will nor can there be death any longer during a so-called 1000 years.

The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.

Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.





Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years


Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.


Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”


Satan is loosed for a little season prior to the 1000 years


Rev 6:11 - “and white robes were given unto everyone of them, that they should rest for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled”.



Rev 12:12 - “…..for the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time”.


Rev 17:10 - “…..and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”.


Also, this would mean that the 1000 year reign would actually be 1000 plus as Satan is loosened after a 1000 years? Ops! How long is this "little season" supposed to be after the 1000 years ?


Gog and Ma’-Gog gathered to battle prior to the 1000 years


Ezek 38:16-22 - “and thou shall come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, o Gog, before their eyes…..(v.18) and it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, that my fury shall come up in my face…..(v.20)…..and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (v.22)…..and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone”.

Furthermore, there can be no battle during a supposed 1000 years.....

Mic 4:3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Went up on the breadth of the earth prior to the 1000 years


If one ponders this phrase “and they went up on the breadth of the earth”, one understands that something or someone must come from beneath the earth! But how can this be? Here underlies a great mystery, Satan's main weapon of attack; to indwell mankind with demonic spirits for his will. This same tactic was used prior to the flood, and we know what God did to the earth after that; he destroyed it! Lets look into detail of this demonic assault prior to Christ appearing.


Rev 9:2 - “and he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit”.


Here we see the bottomless pit opened allowing them to come up on the breadth of the earth.


Rev 9:3 - “and there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as scorpions of the earth have power”.


First thing to understand is that locusts (the species) comes from beneath the earth when they come into being. Second, these are no ordinary locusts, they have power like scorpions and in Luke 10:17-20 we read;


“and the seventy returned again with joy, saying even the devils are subject unto us though thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you…..”


These locusts are demonic spirits; devils!


Rev 16:13,14 -“and I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God almighty”.


Fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them prior to the 1000 years


This in Rev 20:9 is none other than his return, the second coming of Christ!!!



Revelation chapter 20 is rehash of prior events. These events will not happen twice.


1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal


Christ will come and set up an everlasting not temporal kingdom.



In Christ, Mark.

I would disaggree with most of your interpritations of these scriptures and your final assesment i will respond with more detail later there is a vast amount of scripture describing the 1000 year reign in both the old testiment and the new but i will need to compil this info for you.

 

[A Brother In Christ]

It will Did Jesus lie to the jews?
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hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things in which it was impossible for God to lie...

1 thes 5:25 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.

read your context in luke ...

time of the gentiles fulfilled then Jews will be back....!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dan 10:14 "Now I have come to make you understand what will happen to your people in the latter days, for the vision [refers] to [many] days yet [to come."]

Daniel 9:24 70 7's, he is decreeing [#2852] on your people and on a city of a holy of you, to shut up[#03607] the transgression[#06588] and finish[#08552] sealing[#02856] up sin["02403] and to atone/cover[#03722] over iniquity[#05771] and come into/enter[#0395] in righteousness[#06664] of eons[#05769] and to seal up[#02856] vision[#02377] and prophet[#05030] and to annoint[#04886] holy[#06944] holy ones[#06944] .

hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things in which it was impossible for God to lie...

1 thes 5:25 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.read your context in luke ...

time of the gentiles fulfilled then Jews will be back.

Be back where?
Israel belongs to all of the original Hebrew 12 tribes, not just the jews brother.

Without a Temple they are about like any other religion, no? Islam is gaining though and if they take over the whole European, African continents, including Israel, I will not be bothered much by it.
Christianity better "regroup" and become One really quick or Islam will continue growing and all religions will be in turmoin. Peace.

Matt 23:38 "See! Your House is left to you a Wilderness;

John 11:48 "If we let Him alone like this, everyone will believe in Him, and the Romans will come and take away both our place and nation."

Revelation 11:1:And given to me a reed like unto [a] staff saying: Be Ye Arousing!!!!! and Measure Ye!!!!! the Sanctuary/Temple of the God, and the Altar and the Ones worshipping in it/him ! 2 And the Court [#833], the one within[#2081] the Sanctuary/Temple [#3485] be Casting Out!!!!! [#1544] Out-side [#1854] and ye should not be measuring it/her, because she was given to the nations/gentiles, and the city, the holy, they shall be treading [#3961] for 40 and 2 months.