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Is there really a 1000 year reign ?

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Because they are reading a literary genre that does not keep a chronological order as if it does. Apocalyptic literature is not historical narrative. When they do this they get in all sorts of problems and they have to come up with strange ideas like a pretrib rapture to save the appearances. They then use this artificial framework on the rest of Scripture and end up with all sorts of odd interpretations that no one would have believed by just reading the words for themselves. I have still never found a dispensationalist who can point to a verse that clearly says that Jesus is coming back twice. It is a construct of their own minds. I can point to lots of passages where Jesus says He is coming back but not one that says He'll do it twice. Something that important surely would have been mentioned clearly at least one time. Surely someone in the early church would have heard about it from someone. Surely the Holy Spirit would have led someone to it prior to the nineteenth century. The reason it makes no sense is because it isn't supported.


carminejulie said:
you mean they are slaves before God punishes them in a lake of fire, (since all the elect have already been resurrected and raptured and transformed, right?
Waht is the point of delaying the eternal kingdom for an earthly one, what has NOT been accomplished already by the great commission, evangelization? HAVE not all already come out of her?

This confuses me and I wonder how one comes up to certain conclusions by direct biblical inference of why there is a delay in the eternal kingdom ....

Carmine, (confused)
 
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God is always right... first off

God is teaching other than just us.... 1 peter 1:12

during the 1000 years reign ...people only have their flesh as there enemy...Satan is in prison and since the ruler of the world system is bounded so it the world system...

people can still believe that God is ruling from the New Jersalem... but unbelievers can rule their flesh so that angels will not throw them into Hell or cut off which offends... Matt 6;13

God is teaching angels and also the saints that are glorified already

that is NOT SCRI{TURAL, it is actually trying to justify why you believe waht you do...

In James, what do we read because it actually contradicts waht you just said........

JAmes 1:
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13When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; 14but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. 15Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.


Waht is James telling us?

That God does not tempt us. How do you fall into sin? Because the devil made you do it?

NOT so..

When you, by your own evil desire, (there is one enemy, not two), when by YOUR own evil desire, not satan's or anyone else's, when YOU are dragged away and enticed, By what? YOUR OWN EVIL DESIRE!

Satan's role is to sift you

WHAT IS SIFTING? Does he force you? Does he cause you to have desires you would other wise NOT have? IS THAT SIFTING? NO

Sifting is when you are put thru a SIEVE so certain things are made manifest which do not get thru the SIEVE.

SAtan's role is to hell you manifest the things in you that are already innate.......

Christ was tempted, nothing was found.. we are tempted, and are found wanting.

NOTHING CHANGES to warrant your explaination.

The millenium rule of Christ is the time when the strongman is BOUND. HOW is he bound? WELL< he is the author of LIES. By his being bound, the nations can no longer be lied to and deceived, it has nothing to do with SINNING, it has to do with deception.

The godpel went out from Christ's day forward because where this light entered a room, the strongman was bound and could not deceive...

Now, when John said in Revelatioin that the 6th head was (one is) but he also said in the same passage that the beast that was, and is not. Rome still stood as the 6th head but SATAN was bound, he is the wicked one behnd the beast, the beast is the manifestation of satan's desire upon government, upon men.....

Example to help.. Christ is the manifestation of the father. When we look upon Christ, we see the Father, yet the Father is not Christ and Christ is not the father.

The beast is the manifestation of satan in the world in the ame way. THAT WICKED ONE is SATAN and he manifests thru an individual, thru a gobvernment.

WHEN satan is bound, he is not (at that moment) even tho that which he was manifest thru is still there, (the individual or the government. That is why the 6th head still wsa, but it was wounded.

Adn a 7th head cold not manifest becaus the head is a manifestation of satan. The 7th head could only manifest when satan was released...... Tha is why there is a gap there. (in the previous heads, powe was just stransfered from one head to anotehr but when the 6th head came, ROME, it's power was thwarted and satan was bound. The gospel went out to all the world, the stone hit the toes of the statue in Daniel (at ROME, the ten vassal states)... THOSE kingdoms cold not be toppled til the strongman was bound!

Many misunderstand the nature of the kingdom and so expect a manifestation physically under some authoritative rule in Jerusalem. \

Chrsit gave all authority to the apostles and they in turn, layed hands on future generations to bring forth the gospel message to all....

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God is always right... first off


people can still believe that God is ruling from the New Jersalem... but unbelievers can rule their flesh so that angels will not throw them into Hell or cut off which offends... Matt 6;13

God is teaching angels and also the saints that are glorified already

God is teaching? Yo umean the inhabitants of the earth are noting but guennea pigs? or mice in a laboratory?

You mention to cut off that which offends but think about what you are saying for a second....

Yo uthink tha somehow, man, with sin in his heart, still fallen to his nature, is not going to manifest that nature? That which offends is actually that which is in man, the old man within. That must be made dead and sanctified. Yo uare aying that there are some who can attain righteousness because they will discipline themselves to not do the wrong thing.

but Chrsit did say unless your righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees, you can't get in, PERIOD... THat means even your thoughts will condemn you, it's not about discipline, its about a new heart.

NOW, you also claim there must be a thrid group of individuals, not the wicked, not the saved. Scripture does nto support this.... There are the wheat, there are the tares....
 
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holdon said:
So, John was entirely wrong when he wrote: hereafter; after this; and; before; until; etc, etc.


Please offer some examples because some things John sees in visions consecutive in vision, sometimes there is a break and a new vision occurs, sometimes the words are chronological, sometimes the visions are just one after the other without chronology.

Please offer some examples and we can look at them. There is more than one vision thruout the book, there are breaks......... in fact, certain things that occur at the beggining cannot be played out til things later in Revelation occur first. how can we not touch anytree or anothing later when they ahve all been desroyed before?

offer some example.

ACTUALLY, maybe this ought to be a different post all togehter...
 
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carminejulie said:
Please offer some examples because some things John sees in visions consecutive in vision, sometimes there is a break and a new vision occurs, sometimes the words are chronological, sometimes the visions are just one after the other without chronology.

Please offer some examples and we can look at them. There is more than one vision thruout the book, there are breaks......... in fact, certain things that occur at the beggining cannot be played out til things later in Revelation occur first. how can we not touch anytree or anothing later when they ahve all been desroyed before?

offer some example.

ACTUALLY, maybe this ought to be a different post all togehter...

Well, the statement was made that Revelation belongs to a genre that doesn't keep chronology. I don't have to come up with examples. (anybody can read for himself: there are lots and lots). But let him who disagrees with John and who says it doesn't keep chronology prove it....
 
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Well, the statement was made that Revelation belongs to a genre that doesn't keep chronology. I don't have to come up with examples. (anybody can read for himself: there are lots and lots). But let him who disagrees with John and who says it doesn't keep chronology prove it....

you made an assertion, not me....

I am trying to discuss this, andI am not going to do a full exposition on the whole book to try to prove soemthing tha for me is self evident, it is not all chronological... yo uprove it is.. (see, now we are at swuare one AGAIN)

I asked for an example because if YOU bring one up that you are certain about, then we can discuss it...

you now claim let him who disagrees with John, prove it.

SORRY... yo now are calling yoruself John rather than discuss your opinion about What John said!

I ain't doing YOUR homework, I barely can answer material directed toward me about my assertions....

You stated it is all chronological from the beginning... show me where one vision runs into another one and it says it is chronological... it is YOUR burden of proof.. John tells me otherwise, if you want to arguie agaisnt John, be my guest< (I said that to show that your argument is self serving and does nothing to prove) that is lie aying the bible preaches pretrib, or pre wrath or post mil or whatever and then I say, you don't believe it, then prove it. heh? let him who makes the assertion prove their point, otherwise it is not a point, it is an opinion withoiut scriptural backing....



THERE ARE VARIOUS visions, seperate and distinct visions.

within each vision, some things are chronological time wise and some things might be concurrent but are read chronological. (you read about 7 things occuring for example, John sees and writes about 7 things but they might all be happening at the same time. (within a vision) or they might be chronological.

NOW, all visions are not chronological. one vision that follows another one isn't chronological to the first one....

YOu have to prove they are chronological, your assertion. They are seperate visions, focusing on a different aspect of something that is going on...

Some bisions speak of what is occuring on earth, some speak of what is occuring in heaven, many overlap and speak of the same things, not chronological to each other ut the same exact situation. You would have us think God does certain thigns on earth, then later, does certain things in heaven while the earth takes a ticket and waits in line....

So, just show me your theory of chronology.........

Chrsit was born of Mary....... he was born from within th geneology of israel... he was caught up to God. This occurs in the middle of the book. NOW< how do you expect me to even consider that a slain lamb can open a seal in the book early on when this slain lamb wasn't even borrn til the middle of this book?

Tha is an easy example to prove something........

your turn, shoe me your examples.........

Carmine
 
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carminejulie said:
you made an assertion, not me....
The poster that I was referring to said that Revelation was NOT chronological. Now, I say that Revelation is a chronological prophecy in the main. There are many words that refer to sequence: after; before; until; and; etc.

Therefore to assert that Revelation is NOT chronological violates its own internal evidence.

Revelation 12 about the 2 signs is in principle no different. The 2 signs are opposing eachother and while it is true that the dragon was trying to devour Christ some 2000 years ago, it is mere background information compared to the main subject: the woman being persecuted and preserved and the subsequent throwing out of Satan from heaven. So, the main prophecy is entirely chronological as can be seen by:

woman giving birth; child be carried away; woman fleeing; war in heaven; Satan cast out; the NOW is come message; the time, and times and half a time; etc. etc..
 
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carminejulie said:
God is teaching? Yo umean the inhabitants of the earth are noting but guennea pigs? or mice in a laboratory?

You mention to cut off that which offends but think about what you are saying for a second....

Yo uthink tha somehow, man, with sin in his heart, still fallen to his nature, is not going to manifest that nature? That which offends is actually that which is in man, the old man within. That must be made dead and sanctified. Yo uare aying that there are some who can attain righteousness because they will discipline themselves to not do the wrong thing.

ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh 27 And I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall guard my judgements, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers

all resurected OT believers under the law will get this.. there off spring will have to believe or not to get this regulator...like a govenor in a golf cart to regulate speed

ezekiel 20:33-37 ...goes to the verse above that since a new heart given the Rod[judgement of tribulation] passes over them

jeremiah 31:27-40 more details what is happening in the Kingdom

duet 30:1-10..the promise...jews brought back to the land by the Lord...
but Chrsit did say unless your righteousness surpasses that of the pharisees, you can't get in, PERIOD... THat means even your thoughts will condemn you, it's not about discipline, its about a new heart.

NOW, you also claim there must be a thrid group of individuals, not the wicked, not the saved. Scripture does nto support this.... There are the wheat, there are the tares....

There is glorified people like King David who rules over the earth under Christ...there children will have to make the descision

reason only believers go into the Kingdom where did all the unbelievers come from .... procreation

Yet the church gets to go where every Christ goes and we get to rule with him...
 
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King David isn't ruling over some future earth.... CHRSIT was the fulfillment of David because Chrsit is the KING................


SEcondly, the passage in ezekiel was abou the return from exile in the first century which was fulfilled, yet, because of transgressions, the kingdom was REMOVED FROM THEM, never to be given back.......... REMOVE THE KINGDOM< you remove chosen status.......

The fulfillment of a new spirit was fulfilled at pentecost for those who came in, the rest, they were lost

SECONDLY, Ezekiel is not talking to the jews, he is talking to the house of israel, the northern tribes, Ezekiel makes that distinction MANY times in his writings, many times....

And Chrsit did come for the lost sheep of the house of israel... HE did comoe and they did all return in the first century, (had you backed up and quoted the ENTIRE CONTEXT, you would see that it was in response to the scattering that had already occured in Ezekiel's day, not soem future scattering, and soem future deliverance. PAST scattering, future deliverance from taht scattering..........

AGAIN, the issue is trying to read it all as future ot Ezekiel, the context proves waht he said.


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ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh 27 And I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall guard my judgements, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers

all resurected OT believers under the law will get this.. there off spring will have to believe or not to get this regulator...like a govenor in a golf cart to regulate speed

ezekiel 20:33-37 ...goes to the verse above that since a new heart given the Rod[judgement of tribulation] passes over them

jeremiah 31:27-40 more details what is happening in the Kingdom

duet 30:1-10..the promise...jews brought back to the land by the Lord...


There is glorified people like King David who rules over the earth under Christ...there children will have to make the descision

reason only believers go into the Kingdom where did all the unbelievers come from .... procreation

Yet the church gets to go where every Christ goes and we get to rule with him...
 
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A Brother In Christ said:
ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh 27 And I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall guard my judgements, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers

all resurected OT believers under the law will get this.. there off spring will have to believe or not to get this regulator...like a govenor in a golf cart to regulate speed

ezekiel 20:33-37 ...goes to the verse above that since a new heart given the Rod[judgement of tribulation] passes over them

jeremiah 31:27-40 more details what is happening in the Kingdom

duet 30:1-10..the promise...jews brought back to the land by the Lord...


There is glorified people like King David who rules over the earth under Christ...there children will have to make the descision

reason only believers go into the Kingdom where did all the unbelievers come from .... procreation

Yet the church gets to go where every Christ goes and we get to rule with him...

ah a brother finding good verses, yes these clearly were in the mind of Jesus as he spoke prophetically and these passages are consistently written throughout the major prophets and confirmed as well by the minor prophets.

gathering the scattered, those who have been cast out, sent to live amongst the deserts the wilderness.

these are not physical deserts butr cultures ruled by the beastly or brutish men the lions and wolves whoi eat up those born into the cultures.

Such is all your western cultures and even worse the eastern ones , india, china, africa.

but though you have luxuries, here and wealth you are still under false prophets who purport and promise you freedoms all the while intoxicating you with the liberties and social injustices that poison the spirit and you end up as you are confused about the purposes of life and start question God, b/c of all the pain.

The west is coming under, the strength of the Israelites, ie jews as well combined with the so called christians,( see government) and God is angry with America, the new Babylon.

read my friends,

good post brother in christ, it will get clearer as you read.

note , your verse jeremiah, 31:28 ' this throwing down , now jump to verse 40 and see the same throwing down no more, in this valley of Kidron, this is the valley of slaughter, or death, elsewhere correlated like Eze ch 37 or even the psalmist David, " lo i walk through the valley of death, i fear no evil"

that too is the same reference of living amongst the dead, or "walking dead" as jesus implied.

Sam 2:6 the ord says" i kill i make alive , i bring down , i bring up",

Eze 18:4 ' all souls are mine , for the souls that sin is a continuing death condition, for those who stop and live in righteousness there is eternal life or victiory over death"
that is the purport for chapter 18

consider these and look into the good book.


yes Brother, the promise is for the jews, to be brought back, but a jew by birth is not a jew, ones heart has to circumcised in spirit.

that is the point of 'new spirit', the criteria is not your birthright but your heart being cleansed , made white, by the TRUth. eze 11:19.

you're doing well , you're seeing good verses, keep coming with more.

peace to you

tks for paying attention.
 
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exodus19 said:
ah a brother finding good verses, yes these clearly were in the mind of Jesus as he spoke prophetically and these passages are consistently written throughout the major prophets and confirmed as well by the minor prophets.

gathering the scattered, those who have been cast out, sent to live amongst the deserts the wilderness.

these are not physical deserts butr cultures ruled by the beastly or brutish men the lions and wolves whoi eat up those born into the cultures.

Such is all your western cultures and even worse the eastern ones , india, china, africa.

but though you have luxuries, here and wealth you are still under false prophets who purport and promise you freedoms all the while intoxicating you with the liberties and social injustices that poison the spirit and you end up as you are confused about the purposes of life and start question God, b/c of all the pain.

The west is coming under, the strength of the Israelites, ie jews as well combined with the so called christians,( see government) and God is angry with America, the new Babylon.

where are the seven hills? rev 17:9not in USA

we are not mentioned during the trib...why we are a 3rd world power ...



read my friends,

good post brother in christ, it will get clearer as you read.

note , your verse jeremiah, 31:28 ' this throwing down , now jump to verse 40 and see the same throwing down no more, in this valley of Kidron, this is the valley of slaughter, or death, elsewhere correlated like Eze ch 37 or even the psalmist David, " lo i walk through the valley of death, i fear no evil"

that too is the same reference of living amongst the dead, or "walking dead" as jesus implied.

Sam 2:6 the ord says" i kill i make alive , i bring down , i bring up",

Eze 18:4 ' all souls are mine , for the souls that sin is a continuing death condition, for those who stop and live in righteousness there is eternal life or victiory over death"
that is the purport for chapter 18

consider these and look into the good book.


yes Brother, the promise is for the jews, to be brought back, but a jew by birth is not a jew, ones heart has to circumcised in spirit.
yes and some promises are to believing Jews only...eph 2:11-12 , hebrews 8:6;11:40
that is the point of 'new spirit', the criteria is not your birthright but your heart being cleansed , made white, by the TRUth. eze 11:19.

you're doing well , you're seeing good verses, keep coming with more.

peace to you

tks for paying attention.

you did not understand these verses
 
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A Brother In Christ said:
where are the seven hills? rev 17:9not in USA

we are not mentioned during the trib...why we are a 3rd world power ...






yes and some promises are to believing Jews only...eph 2:11-12 , hebrews 8:6;11:40

you did not understand these verses


WHAT can i say but you are SO lost ____the 7 heads on 7 mountains is not a physical thing, why do you always see all as physical?

" ON WHICH THE WOMEN SITTETH,"

7 is a number that represents God and completion or a total that can or may exeed God but in being in God's hands the number is often addressed both old and new.

THIS IS WHY I SAY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO OPEN SCRIPTURE TO YO OVER THE INTERNET, THERE NEEDS FAR TO MUCH TIME AND FLIPPING AND FLOPPING HT PAGES AND POINTING TO THE RELATIVE VERSES.
MOST SUBJECTS I NEED TO SPEEK FOR HOURS AND HOURS TO SHED LIGHT,

THIS INTERNET STUFF WILL NOT WORK

GOOD BYE
 
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ross3421 said:
Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL . Study the following....

Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.



This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Satan destroyed upon Christ's return

2th 2:8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:2th 2:9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

We see both Satan (the Wicked) and his son of perdition both destroyed upon Christ's return so how can this happen 1000 years later.?


Death is destroyed upon the return of Christ.

1co 15:23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.1co 15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.1co 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.1co 15:26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Christ currently reigns on the right hand and upon his returns he will destroy death itself hence there will nor can there be death any longer during a so-called 1000 years.

The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.

Study the events in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously.





Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years


Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.


Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”


Satan is loosed for a little season prior to the 1000 years


Rev 6:11 - “and white robes were given unto everyone of them, that they should rest for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that they should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled”.



Rev 12:12 - “…..for the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time”.


Rev 17:10 - “…..and when he cometh, he must continue a short space”.


Also, this would mean that the 1000 year reign would actually be 1000 plus as Satan is loosened after a 1000 years? Ops! How long is this "little season" supposed to be after the 1000 years ?


Gog and Ma’-Gog gathered to battle prior to the 1000 years


Ezek 38:16-22 - “and thou shall come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land: it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, o Gog, before their eyes…..(v.18) and it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, that my fury shall come up in my face…..(v.20)…..and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. (v.22)…..and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone”.

Furthermore, there can be no battle during a supposed 1000 years.....

Mic 4:3And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.


Went up on the breadth of the earth prior to the 1000 years


If one ponders this phrase “and they went up on the breadth of the earth”, one understands that something or someone must come from beneath the earth! But how can this be? Here underlies a great mystery, Satan's main weapon of attack; to indwell mankind with demonic spirits for his will. This same tactic was used prior to the flood, and we know what God did to the earth after that; he destroyed it! Lets look into detail of this demonic assault prior to Christ appearing.


Rev 9:2 - “and he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit”.


Here we see the bottomless pit opened allowing them to come up on the breadth of the earth.


Rev 9:3 - “and there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as scorpions of the earth have power”.


First thing to understand is that locusts (the species) comes from beneath the earth when they come into being. Second, these are no ordinary locusts, they have power like scorpions and in Luke 10:17-20 we read;


“and the seventy returned again with joy, saying even the devils are subject unto us though thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you…..”


These locusts are demonic spirits; devils!


Rev 16:13,14 -“and I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and to the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God almighty”.


Fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them prior to the 1000 years


This in Rev 20:9 is none other than his return, the second coming of Christ!!!



Revelation chapter 20 is rehash of prior events. These events will not happen twice.


1000 years is being used as a metaphor as should not be taken literal


Christ will come and set up an everlasting not temporal kingdom.



In Christ, Mark.

Revelation 20 does not read like this, the implication is that there is a struggle with evil before and after the thousand years and thus this is not the final arrival of the kingdom. Also that some people(ie dead Christians who were not martyred for their faith) will not be resurrected until after the millennial reign. The reign of Christ for a thousand years is an intermediate stage between the post pentacostal church of the last days and the tribulation and the final judgment which occurs after the thousand year reign:

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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As we see the deep discussions are most often by men, yet the women often show simple comments from their hearts, and as is their ways to show emotion in their words.

This too is important to note, for when they love, they love and give all, it's really an interesting time b/c the women will hear the simplicity often before men and will be ready to put all their love into following God's will, but the many men who want to see it all intellectualized and every detail figure out.

kinda reminds me how this fleeting world of men and women are, men want to solve all the problems and the women just want a big hug and be listened too, and don't really care for an answer or reslove.

well just see that many will be virgins before men and will dance and sing in glory and bask in love and feel the mercy and bliss of the anointing as their spirit dances to the sounds and melodies of God's pure and perfect love.

yes there is a 1000 year period my dear, and it began at this the 3 rd millimeum.

it has been written 1 day is likened to 1000 years, that correlates the 3rd day rise and the 3 rd mill.

also when you spend one day with messiah, it feels like 1000 years, why,
b/c he is in the kingdom and by association you are transformed in spirit b/c the Holy Spirit is coming from his mouth and his body is totally free from sin and his thoughts are perectly cleansed and there is not transgression in anything he does b/c he has not desire for anything b/c he lives in perfect love .

that is the transformed character or the anointing you too can experience and live in.
It simply requires perfect trust and faith in the son and then all will be revealled. all will be changed, and it can happen in one moments time and you never see anything but the perfect light again.

that is oneness in God, it's all freely given to you exclusively by God through the Holy Spirit.

1000 years 111999,________ the last odd day of the second mill, the first of the the 1000 year reign.
we're moving along as timely as it should be, all is in the works, only God is fully in charge and nothing is done lest He approves.

peace in Him and HIm only
 
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karenmarie said:
There is no literal 1,000 yr reign of Christ. There is only his Second Coming. We are right now in the time of Christs reign through the Church.

Thats not what Revelation 20 says
 
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mindlight said:
Thats not what Revelation 20 says
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what you have in revelation is the espression of a 1000 yr reign now read 7 and 8 as independent from the continuity of the the chapter.
for it confirms only that satan which has been still living and in charge of most of the world will come upon the houses of he kingdoms to try and defeat them but they shall be sent back or defeated by the kingdom saints or angels who refute them, by the hand of God.

but note as you read the expression of the white thone judgement stop for a moment and think.

go back to ch 5 and there in is the throne now soon after you have the verses the white garments are given, so where are the white garments given but at the white throne judgement

ok so what it actually the white throne and consider the concept.

well judgement as you read in chap to 21 is based upon what ? i think it;s verse 8 that expresses the qualifications there, for the kingdom.

well the same is being made at this coming judgement or back in the ch 5-11.

this is an event this is where the seals, which have been hidden and reveals the mystery as well converts the hearts to white or pure or the angels, ie people see with faith, that is have their eyes opened and then are converted .

that is the given of white garments

it't the spirit that becomes dressed, not the physical body but your spiritual body of the mind and intelligence and you become awakened or anointed in spirit.

now this big fold or sheep all yoiu angels and saints , make up that women coming out of this event or place, as in the white throne judgement as written in verse 12:1

the virgins or the angel the 7 angels more accurately put tha is mentioned enven in the last verses of chap 1, go there and read about the seven angels.

these are not singular but are plural in that each of those angels are a figure for many peoples coming from all 7 churches or faiths as it is writtten elsewhere and confirmed.

now i know many of you think this church of philly in chap 3 is relvelent and it is , however again keep your mind out of thinkingk physically but spiritually.

so read this as those who have kept the faith, you who are cent per cent bound by faith and believe in the 2cd acvent and are not defiled by women, those are the culturals of the world, you who reject the gove's and politcal elitists.

same as the Hooly Prophets, from psalms on in the OT you can see who all the major and minor prophets were opposed the to organized gov's and therein in you get confirmation that they too were called women back then.

don't forget this book of revelation is correlated back to the the OT Prophets,

and speaks of David the prince of peace and the prophecied son.

this too is important to fix in your minds, it;'s all about David

David is the central figure of the Bible, and this bridges the jews and christians and breaks down the wall of both testaments.

there is but one God, hear carefully the same
God of Moses right!

It's the song of Moses that will be sung, as on a 10 stringed instrument ie David's song the key is David rev 3:9

rev22:16 " i am the root and offspring" both soul and seed returned or back again as promised.

most of you christians are having a hard time b/c your phd boys have continually blasted david for his adultry and killing, but they don't mention that his heart was made perfect and that's written several times.

David is you eg, b/c you all too have sinned but forgiveness and cleanliness is there and awaiting you as David is here too,

right here with you this very moment.

peace my good friends

too hard, ask more questions?
 
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