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I had a terrible setback yesterday. We went to Mass, and went to our normal places where we had been told to go, at the front, in dront of the front pew. I cannot travel down the centre aisle from the back because Incan't see people, and crash into them. We tried it once and I had an almighty crash, and actuall went into a pushchair (Stroller?) but fortunately no baby in it. It was bright red but I could not see it. This happened as I was returning to the back of the Church from Communion. This was going down the side aisle as everyone does after Communion.
Father came to us yesterday morning, and told us we had to move because the Servers were going to be sitting on the front pew. Normally they sit in thenone behind us, which seemed to work fine. But Father wanted it changed. He will not bring Communion to any,place in the Church where disabled people are. They HAVE to get to the front.
Bob had moved after Fr said that, and I could see NOTHING. Fr said to me to move to where Bob was. I was disorientated and frightened because no one was helping me. Fr disappeared and left us to it. M
Infinallyngot myself to where Fr wanted me to be, but felt sick.
I could not stay. We had to leave. We did not stay for Mass. Hubby will never go there again and will not takenme either. Henis more angry than I could ever tell you. It was ab AWFUL day.
I shall not be going to that Church again. My husband is SO angry. becausenin our countrymppl in wheekchairs are a nuisance and pushednout.
I am deeply upset. Heatrbroken. I need to feel safe in a place and I dont. Fr knows about my blindness and my general hea kth etc
Father came to us yesterday morning, and told us we had to move because the Servers were going to be sitting on the front pew. Normally they sit in thenone behind us, which seemed to work fine. But Father wanted it changed. He will not bring Communion to any,place in the Church where disabled people are. They HAVE to get to the front.
Bob had moved after Fr said that, and I could see NOTHING. Fr said to me to move to where Bob was. I was disorientated and frightened because no one was helping me. Fr disappeared and left us to it. M
Infinallyngot myself to where Fr wanted me to be, but felt sick.
I could not stay. We had to leave. We did not stay for Mass. Hubby will never go there again and will not takenme either. Henis more angry than I could ever tell you. It was ab AWFUL day.
I shall not be going to that Church again. My husband is SO angry. becausenin our countrymppl in wheekchairs are a nuisance and pushednout.
I am deeply upset. Heatrbroken. I need to feel safe in a place and I dont. Fr knows about my blindness and my general hea kth etc
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Ummmm - A few points
1) Servers should NOT be sitting in a pew - they should be 'in the Altar' unless you mean Extra Ordinary Ministers of the Eucharist - in which case they should be sitting among the congregation like everyone else to emphasise that they are laity who help.
2) Disabled people should be cherished and assisted and if they cannot safely move forward for Communion , then either the priest or deacon [ who are Ministers of the Eucharist ] should carefully and reverently go to them and administer the Eucharist OR ask one of the EMHC to do that for them.
I'm appalled !
1) Servers should NOT be sitting in a pew - they should be 'in the Altar' unless you mean Extra Ordinary Ministers of the Eucharist - in which case they should be sitting among the congregation like everyone else to emphasise that they are laity who help.
2) Disabled people should be cherished and assisted and if they cannot safely move forward for Communion , then either the priest or deacon [ who are Ministers of the Eucharist ] should carefully and reverently go to them and administer the Eucharist OR ask one of the EMHC to do that for them.
I'm appalled !
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Thankyou to you both.
It WAS Servers, and of course I KNOW this. They do sit down for part of the Mass, and go to where they need to be when they need to be there.
I feel actually, that Fr was trying to make a point and say we are expexting too much attention, because of my health problems. Which we are not.
That priest does not care.
We ARE reporting this to the Bishop.
It WAS Servers, and of course I KNOW this. They do sit down for part of the Mass, and go to where they need to be when they need to be there.
I feel actually, that Fr was trying to make a point and say we are expexting too much attention, because of my health problems. Which we are not.
That priest does not care.
We ARE reporting this to the Bishop.
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If servers are vested/attired/adorned/dressed in liturgical dress , be it Surplice and Cassock or Alb they should not be in the Nave after the Entrance - their place is in the Sanctuary - nowhere else .
Agreed - the Bishop needs to know
Agreed - the Bishop needs to know
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I don't know why the Servers are there. Maybe it is because there is only a small space around the altar. Nit is a modern Church, and the altar is up eithernone or two steps ( not sure) and it doesn't make sense as thenpriest is a VERY traditional one who is very concerned with the rubrics of the Mass. So I do not unserstand this.
Actually we have rung him this morning and the first thing hedid was apologise. But still, there is nowhere for us to go on a weekend Mass. I must admit it IS an awjward Church, but they have put back the front,pew that had originally been moved by the previous priest to make more room. The Church is packed at a weekend. We will see what happens
Actually we have rung him this morning and the first thing hedid was apologise. But still, there is nowhere for us to go on a weekend Mass. I must admit it IS an awjward Church, but they have put back the front,pew that had originally been moved by the previous priest to make more room. The Church is packed at a weekend. We will see what happens
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Aggravating and uncharitable. My goodness, has the world lost touch with reality? Have they forgotten to look around themselves at those in need? Have they stopped for a moment to consider what is happening around them? Are folks caught up with other details that they cannot see that which is important? Being considerate of others' needs is part of who we are as Christians. Mind boggling.
Anjelica, don't think about it anymore. Thinking about it will cause you more pain and anger. Your body can't take those negative emotions anymore. The situation has passed. You expressed your feelings to the priest and you will be contacting the Bishop. Let this go if you can because it will eat you up and you need to focus on getting well. Let it go.
Meanwhile, is it possible for a priest (any priest) to visit you at your home and give you Communion? Some places do this, some places don't. I"m just saying that its something you could consider while you figure out what to do next. Or maybe just have a priest come by to talk.
Let these challenges draw you closer to Him. He is still near you throughout all this. His presence is there. You may not be able to rely on a priest or a church, but you can rely on Him. In fact, maybe He is trying to tell you something...
Anjelica, don't think about it anymore. Thinking about it will cause you more pain and anger. Your body can't take those negative emotions anymore. The situation has passed. You expressed your feelings to the priest and you will be contacting the Bishop. Let this go if you can because it will eat you up and you need to focus on getting well. Let it go.
Meanwhile, is it possible for a priest (any priest) to visit you at your home and give you Communion? Some places do this, some places don't. I"m just saying that its something you could consider while you figure out what to do next. Or maybe just have a priest come by to talk.
Let these challenges draw you closer to Him. He is still near you throughout all this. His presence is there. You may not be able to rely on a priest or a church, but you can rely on Him. In fact, maybe He is trying to tell you something...
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I am absolutely so angry and disgusted right now. I could just strangle that priest. No wonder you are not getting help. That sounds horrible. Continued prayers angelica. I could go on with my thoughts but I best not.
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We do have some disability laws here bene, but they are not as stringent as yours. I have a friend in wisconsin whom I talk to on the phone and we have discussed the differences between here and the States. Disabled ppl here are not treated well, and thenlaws that exist are not adhered to, and there is little we can do. It is a culture thing unfortunately.
Winter, please do not worry. Mi am over it now. Nyesterday was bad. Today is much much better. I have gained my equlibrium again. Never fear about my faith in Him and my closeness to Him. I earned that through my cancer when no priest came near me for six months.
Yes, He may be trying to tell me something Winter. I may PM you. Since you ask the question I feel there us something I must say about that.
We have two Catholic Churches in our town, and we used to go to the other one, but had to leave there because there were four sets if cery heavy double wooden doors to get into the Church from the car park. No one ever gelped us in and my husband had to open them from his wherlchair, and try to hold them open for m, whilst hanging onto his own self propelled wheelchair with one hand. Moften, one of the doors would crash back onto my chair.
We purchased a heavt door stop for ourselves and asked that it benplaced against the second set of doors, which were only about three feet from the first set and we were unable to deal with thatmourselves. Mwedges open, we could cope. The priest was asked, and told our problems. He did nothing,even though hennlocked the doors for morningMass which we aways went to. In the end hubby could not manage it any. Kore. We were seen as trouble. Ma kers for daring to compl ain, nuc ely though, about what was happening.
We fight a. Losing ba ttle here!
But plea se do not worry about mynfaith. It. Goes d own a bit on some days but it comes back again oretty q uickly.
Our new priest was v ery sorry today, but he came up with noanswer to the problem. I do not want Communion at home because I am anluvely and confident person who lves Ma ss, and. Other people, and. Relationships w ith others. I am always the one. To help ithers, l isten to them etc and everyone calls me an ins piration w hen they get to,know me. I do not want to be. A stay at home. We can just see how this all pans out!
Winter, please do not worry. Mi am over it now. Nyesterday was bad. Today is much much better. I have gained my equlibrium again. Never fear about my faith in Him and my closeness to Him. I earned that through my cancer when no priest came near me for six months.
Yes, He may be trying to tell me something Winter. I may PM you. Since you ask the question I feel there us something I must say about that.
We have two Catholic Churches in our town, and we used to go to the other one, but had to leave there because there were four sets if cery heavy double wooden doors to get into the Church from the car park. No one ever gelped us in and my husband had to open them from his wherlchair, and try to hold them open for m, whilst hanging onto his own self propelled wheelchair with one hand. Moften, one of the doors would crash back onto my chair.
We purchased a heavt door stop for ourselves and asked that it benplaced against the second set of doors, which were only about three feet from the first set and we were unable to deal with thatmourselves. Mwedges open, we could cope. The priest was asked, and told our problems. He did nothing,even though hennlocked the doors for morningMass which we aways went to. In the end hubby could not manage it any. Kore. We were seen as trouble. Ma kers for daring to compl ain, nuc ely though, about what was happening.
We fight a. Losing ba ttle here!
But plea se do not worry about mynfaith. It. Goes d own a bit on some days but it comes back again oretty q uickly.
Our new priest was v ery sorry today, but he came up with noanswer to the problem. I do not want Communion at home because I am anluvely and confident person who lves Ma ss, and. Other people, and. Relationships w ith others. I am always the one. To help ithers, l isten to them etc and everyone calls me an ins piration w hen they get to,know me. I do not want to be. A stay at home. We can just see how this all pans out!
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I might just do that bene LOL
Well, my husband is in the pricess of writing a stiff letter to the Bishop. We know it aint Christian. I do not understand the ugnorance and apathy here. We are working to change it but we get labelled as complainers and then ppl avoid us. ,one or two,ppl are very much on our side, but in the end theymleave us to do the work. We are expected to make do, here, and takenit cheerfully. I wish I luved in thebStates. You are all so much more open and generous, and you are lovely,ppl. I had a few Aerican friends in the past, and they were all lively, and so different to most ppl here. Mi just think it is culture.
Well, my husband is in the pricess of writing a stiff letter to the Bishop. We know it aint Christian. I do not understand the ugnorance and apathy here. We are working to change it but we get labelled as complainers and then ppl avoid us. ,one or two,ppl are very much on our side, but in the end theymleave us to do the work. We are expected to make do, here, and takenit cheerfully. I wish I luved in thebStates. You are all so much more open and generous, and you are lovely,ppl. I had a few Aerican friends in the past, and they were all lively, and so different to most ppl here. Mi just think it is culture.
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I am thinking very hard about what all of you are saying. You are right. Mand even though thempriest apologised this morning for syddenly pouncing it on us jyst beforeMass, and moving us so that I felt sick and disiriented, he was not prepared to change anything. The Sanctuary IS too small to take the Servers, and in fact it is hardly a Sanctuary at all. It is just part of the main Church - very midern.
I do not yet know what the answer is. I am over the hurt now, but don't know where to go with ut, except the Bishop, which we are doing, but even he did not give us Communion one time, in our own Church.
I do not yet know what the answer is. I am over the hurt now, but don't know where to go with ut, except the Bishop, which we are doing, but even he did not give us Communion one time, in our own Church.
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I think the mindset there with the sick and disabled needs to change. It is very easy to say sorry and then continue the behavior. The Church as a community should be supporting and helping you. I am sorry but that treatment is unacceptable in our faith. Seems that the Church needs to walk the talk for a change.
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I think it needs to walk in our shoes for a while Michie, and struggle as we do, and see what it is truly like. I am just very sad that it is like this.
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You can be a catalyst for change. Not only for yourself but others like you. I am just beyond horrified that those that preach the Word do not know or care that this is gravely sinful. It is just shameful.
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Michie, thankyou for your support. You are just so right, and that is exactly what we feel we are called to do. Be a catalyst for change. Don't know if we will be listened to or not. But ppl, including priests, have gotten away with this for too long. Mind you, I inow that there are goodparushes in other partsof the UK. ,we are a backwater where we live. You know, we feel guilty if we deaw attention to oyrslvesnor our needs, because we are meant to put up with it aspart of our cross.
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