Is there an absolute morality?

[VirOptimus]

? That's your and not my argument. Here's my argument again:

• Does a human need indicate that a human right exists. Yes.

• What is a "right", who or what gives out "rights"?

• [*]Do rights impose obligations on other to respect those rights? Yes.

  Which authority is behind theese "rights"?

  [*]Does a human need bodily integrity? Yes. (We need not be anymore graphic about rape than that.)

  What is "bodily integrity"? Definition?

  [*]Does rape violate a person's right to bodily integrity? Yes.

  Why?

  [*]One ought not rape another.

  That sounds like your opinion.

To the extent that human nature is everywhere and at all times the same, real goods have the universality and immutability that gives them objectivity. Or do you think that a human being does not need to exist and flourish in community; that these are not real goods? If so then try stopping eating and drinking and let us know how that works out for you. Or jump off a high enough roof to disrupt your bodily integrity and let us know how that works out for you.

This is just word salad.

 

[disciple Clint]

True.



False.

can you provide any evidence that life does come from non life?

 

[o_mlly]

You think that values are objective? No wonder you have difficulty with moral concepts.

And one person's right to life doesn't eliminate another person's right. The value each put on their rights is different. The value I put on them is different.

I really have difficulty in coming to terms with the fact that I have to state this so baldly. Maybe it's just said because it's so easy to say. 'All lives are equal'. A nice sound bite that'll get a smattering of applause from the audience. But it ain't true. And when the chips are down, it's so obviously true.

If you're trying to build an argument on it then you won't get past that first premise.

Is there any argument in this op-ed piece? Nope. We know how you feel. Tell us how you think. Oh, I see a typo though -- "baldly" should be "badly" -- a common error in the juxtaposition of letters.

 

[Larniavc]

sperm is alive if it were not conception would not result

At what part do the molecules that make up the sperm cell does it become alive?

And my previous question: are water molecules alive?

 

[Larniavc]

can you provide any evidence that life does come from non life?

The molecules that currently make up your body were once just molecules- non living material.

Do you see now?

 

[Bradskii]

can you provide any evidence that life does come from non life?

You're the evidence. You started off as two cells. You mother took on food as inanimate molecules and some of that inanimate material was used to allow you to become 4 cells. Then eight. And so on. You are life and you were formed from non-living matter.

Where do you think all the material came from that you're comprised of?

 

[disciple Clint]

You're the evidence. You started off as two cells. You mother took on food as inanimate molecules and some of that inanimate material was used to allow you to become 4 cells. Then eight. And so on. You are life and you were formed from non-living matter.

Where do you think all the material came from that you're comprised of?

I am looking for authoritative evidence, do you have any to support that life can come from non life. everyone has an opinion but few have facts and evidence.

 

[Bradskii]

Is there any argument in this op-ed piece?

No. I wasn't making an argument. I was just pointing out to you yet again that value is a subjective concept. So your first premise doesn't fly. So you weren't making an argument either...

 

[Bradskii]

I am looking for authoritative evidence, do you have any to support that life can come from non life. everyone has an opinion but few have facts and evidence.

That's not a personal opinion. That's a fact. You are the evidence. If I'm wrong then tell me where all the material came from that made you?

 

[disciple Clint]

That's not a personal opinion. That's a fact. You are the evidence. If I'm wrong then tell me where all the material came from that made you?

again the question is do you have an evidence, you have stated your opinion, what evidence do you have to support it?

 

[Bradskii]

again the question is do you have an evidence, you have stated your opinion, what evidence do you have to support it?

I can't believe that I have to post this:

'All cells are made from the same major classes of organic molecules: nucleic acids, proteins, carbohydrates, and lipids'. What Is a Cell? | Learn Science at Scitable

Now, are organic molecules alive? No. They are inanimate. So as you grew, you were being formed from non-living matter.

 

[disciple Clint]

I can't believe that I have to post this:

'All cells are made from the same major classes of organic molecules: nucleic acids, proteins, carbohydrates, and lipids'. What Is a Cell? | Learn Science at Scitable

Now, are organic molecules alive? No. They are inanimate. So as you grew, you were being formed from non-living matter.

biogenesis
the principle that life is propagated only by existing life, rather than by SPONTANEOUS GENERATION. The principle's original formulation was that organisms are able to generate only other forms similar to themselves, but where ALTERNATION OF GENERATIONS occurs the statement is not entirely true; biogenesis has thus come to mean that a species gives rise only to similar forms and these forms can only be derived from parents which are similar.
Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders, J. P. Margham 2005
law of biogenesis - Ask the Atheist
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Louis Pasteur only produced one "law", and even that is only tentatively attributed to him: the Law of Biogenesis, which states that life can only come from other life. Pasteur did make such an observation, whether or not he made it official. The competing hypothesis of the day was spontaneous generation, the idea that life springs from non ..

 

[Bradskii]

biogenesis
the principle that life is propagated only by existing life, rather than by SPONTANEOUS GENERATION. The principle's original formulation was that organisms are able to generate only other forms similar to themselves, but where ALTERNATION OF GENERATIONS occurs the statement is not entirely true; biogenesis has thus come to mean that a species gives rise only to similar forms and these forms can only be derived from parents which are similar.
Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders, J. P. Margham 2005
law of biogenesis - Ask the Atheist
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Louis Pasteur only produced one "law", and even that is only tentatively attributed to him: the Law of Biogenesis, which states that life can only come from other life. Pasteur did make such an observation, whether or not he made it official. The competing hypothesis of the day was spontaneous generation, the idea that life springs from non ..

Your very post on this matter:

Thank you we agree on that, your son did not come from non living molecules.

That has proved to be incorrect. He is made up from nothing but material that was originally non living molecules. It's not like anyone thought he was spontaneously generated. Was that the point you were making? Glad you got there eventually...

 

[disciple Clint]

Your very post on this matter:



That has proved to be incorrect. He is made up from nothing but material that was originally non living molecules. It's not like anyone thought he was spontaneously generated. Was that the point you were making? Glad you got there eventually...

ok show me where anyone mixed up all those non living molecules and created life. If the articles on biogenesis I provided in evidence are read they provide scientific evidence that life only comes from life. full stop end of discussion.

 

[Bradskii]

ok show me where anyone mixed up all those non living molecules and created life. If the articles on biogenesis I provided in evidence are read they provide scientific evidence that life only comes from life. full stop end of discussion.

I mixed them up and created my son.

Is this going to go for long? It has zero implication for the OP.

 

[VirOptimus]

ok show me where anyone mixed up all those non living molecules and created life. If the articles on biogenesis I provided in evidence are read they provide scientific evidence that life only comes from life. full stop end of discussion.

Has there ever been a time where there where no life?

 

[durangodawood]

....Murder is always wrong. Killing is not always wrong.

Only because murder basically means "killing that we consider wrong".

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Is this going to go for long? It has zero implication for the OP.

I find it interesting when someone with such a wildly inaccurate position digs in to this extent. When my son was in grade school he understood that bodies create cells from the chemicals that make up digested food, and those chemicals aren’t alive…

 

[Mark Quayle]

Only because murder basically means "killing that we consider wrong".

Simple assertion. Ok.

 

[stevevw]

God murdered children when he order a few genocides and dashed skulks and great floods etc.

By what basis do you use to determine God was wrong.