Is there a Christian Passover?

[DamianWarS]

Another question is who is a Christian, one who keeps the commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus, or one who abrogates the commandments of God?

Christ gives us a better way of lawful practice than the letter. This way is of goodness/love, which can be separate from keeping the letter yet still be lawful. In this way, there is no abrogating; there is only law-keeping only through the mechanism of goodness and not through the letter. It's not that the letter is wrong, it's that Christ gives us a better way.

goodness/love defined by Christ is the mechanism of obedience to God taught in the new covenant that we should imitate and we need not worry about how we measure to the letter of the old, as this goodness/love fulfills the law. It's not that God's law is set aside. it is instead magnified showing that goodness/love is a better way.

Mat 5:44
Mat 12:12
Mat 22:37-40
1 Cor 9:21
Gal 5:14
Gal 6:2
Jam 2:8
Rom 13:8-10
John 13:34-35

 

[Mockingbird0]

The Easter computation defines a Christian month of Nisan (which of old the English called "Eastermonth", hence our name "Easter")
which has a Christian Passover on its 14th day (the Paschal Full Moon, this year 2025 on April 13) and a Christian week of Unleavened Bread on the 15th to the 21st day inclusive, the week whose Sunday is Easter, which is also the day of waving the sheaf according to the Karaite (though not the Rabbinic) interpretation of Leviticus 23.11, compare 1 Corinthians 15.20.

But even more so, as CryptoLutheran has pointed out, we can call Easter itself the Christian Passover. At our night-service of Easter in the Episcopal Church we proclaim "this is the Passover of the Lord, in which, by hearinghis Word and celebrating his Sacraments, we share in his victory over death." (BCP 1979 p. 285).

 

[pasifika]

The Passover for Christian I believe is one month after the Jewish Passover.

 

[Maori Aussie]

The Passover for Christian I believe is one month after the Jewish Passover.

Just going off the top of my head I agree with you.
To my knowledge only the JWs and many/most Messianic Jews observe Christian Passover on the Jewish date 15 Nissan.

 

[Mockingbird0]

The Passover for Christian I believe is one month after the Jewish Passover.

The Julian calendar Easter, used by most Eastern Orthodox churches, in 2 years out of every 19 is about a month after Rabbinic Jewish Unleavened Bread. The rest of the time it is roughly a week or two after.

 

[sparow]

Christ gives us a better way of lawful practice than the letter. This way is of goodness/love, which can be separate from keeping the letter yet still be lawful. In this way, there is no abrogating; there is only law-keeping only through the mechanism of goodness and not through the letter. It's not that the letter is wrong, it's that Christ gives us a better way.

goodness/love defined by Christ is the mechanism of obedience to God taught in the new covenant that we should imitate and we need not worry about how we measure to the letter of the old, as this goodness/love fulfills the law. It's not that God's law is set aside. it is instead magnified showing that goodness/love is a better way.

Mat 5:44
Mat 12:12
Mat 22:37-40
1 Cor 9:21
Gal 5:14
Gal 6:2
Jam 2:8
Rom 13:8-10
John 13:34-35

You may have a useful understanding, but from your words I cannot see that that is the case. If goodness and love define the Law as does the two great commandments, that would work, but if goodness and love are alternatives to the Law then Christ did not define it.

 

[DamianWarS]

You may have a useful understanding, but from your words I cannot see that that is the case. If goodness and love define the Law as does the two great commandments, that would work, but if goodness and love are alternatives to the Law then Christ did not define it.

Goodness/love are not in competition with the law they are ordained mechanisms of the law. Christ says it himself, "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:12). So if I rest/cease according to the letter or I do good according to Christ then it is lawful. If Mat 12:12 is not enough these show the same: Mat 5:44, Mat 22:37-40, 1 Cor 9:21, Gal 5:14, Gal 6:2, Jam 2:8, Rom 13:8-10, John 13:34-35

 

[JulieB67]

The thing about the original passover that God set in place-it was meant to be 2 weeks into the new year year (spring) And going by certain calendars it would be so far out and changing evey year therefore moving it past the 2 weeks into the new year. I don't think that's what he originally wanted. But to each his own....

 

[zeland2236]

Is there a Christian Passover?

Another question is who is a Christian, one who keeps the commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus, or one who abrogates the commandments of God?

As an anti-type, Jesus was the Passover lamb, yet God passing over and bringing us out of Babylon, and Egypt is still future.

Jesus said, “Eat the unleavened bread and drink the blood of the grape, in memory of me as the Passover lamb.” Eating the unleavened bread and drinking the blood of the grape was already a function of the Passover feast, what is new is recognising and remembering Jesus as the Passover lamb. The Passover involves three days of eating unleavened bread, so I wonder, was Jesus's three days and three nights in the grave encrypted into the Passover feast all along.

The Eucharist is a place where the Catholic Bible is different to the Protestant Bible, I don't recall what the difference is, but I have had a Catholic Bible and in the past I knew. Every Mass, the Catholic Church eats the biscuits and drinks the wine but does this have any thing to do with the Passover, what is their purpose for the Eucharist, what do they remember, is it the memory of God passing over, is it the memory of the crucifixion (from a Roman perspective). Protestants do the Lord's super, but do they do it on the 14th day of Nisan or eater Sunday, and what is it they remember? Protestants have been burned at the stake (metaphorically) over whether the14 day of Nisan or Easter Sunday.



Some relevant scriptures:

Matt 26:28, 2, 17,18,19.

Mk 14:1, 12-16.

Lk 2:41, 22:1, 7, 8, 11-15.

Jn 2:13, 2:23, 6:4, 11:55, 12:1, 13:1, 18:28,39, 19:14.

Dear Sparrow,

The "Christian Passover" is the Catholic Mass. For a detailed explanation of this see the recent post:

The Jewish Passover, the Last Supper, and the New Testament Sacrifice, How are they connected?​

 

[zeland2236]

Is there a Christian Passover?

Another question is who is a Christian, one who keeps the commandments of God and has the faith of Jesus, or one who abrogates the commandments of God?

As an anti-type, Jesus was the Passover lamb, yet God passing over and bringing us out of Babylon, and Egypt is still future.

Jesus said, “Eat the unleavened bread and drink the blood of the grape, in memory of me as the Passover lamb.” Eating the unleavened bread and drinking the blood of the grape was already a function of the Passover feast, what is new is recognising and remembering Jesus as the Passover lamb. The Passover involves three days of eating unleavened bread, so I wonder, was Jesus's three days and three nights in the grave encrypted into the Passover feast all along.

The Eucharist is a place where the Catholic Bible is different to the Protestant Bible, I don't recall what the difference is, but I have had a Catholic Bible and in the past I knew. Every Mass, the Catholic Church eats the biscuits and drinks the wine but does this have any thing to do with the Passover, what is their purpose for the Eucharist, what do they remember, is it the memory of God passing over, is it the memory of the crucifixion (from a Roman perspective). Protestants do the Lord's super, but do they do it on the 14th day of Nisan or eater Sunday, and what is it they remember? Protestants have been burned at the stake (metaphorically) over whether the14 day of Nisan or Easter Sunday.



Some relevant scriptures:

Matt 26:28, 2, 17,18,19.

Mk 14:1, 12-16.

Lk 2:41, 22:1, 7, 8, 11-15.

Jn 2:13, 2:23, 6:4, 11:55, 12:1, 13:1, 18:28,39, 19:14.

Dear Sparow,

The Christian Passover is the Catholic Mass. For an explanation of this, see the post: "The Jewish Passover, the Last Supper, and the New Testament Sacrifice, How are they connected?"

 

[sparow]

Goodness/love are not in competition with the law they are ordained mechanisms of the law. Christ says it himself, "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" (Mat 12:12). So if I rest/cease according to the letter or I do good according to Christ then it is lawful. If Mat 12:12 is not enough these show the same: Mat 5:44, Mat 22:37-40, 1 Cor 9:21, Gal 5:14, Gal 6:2, Jam 2:8, Rom 13:8-10, John 13:34-35

You should be aware that most Christians use Goodness/love in competition with the commandments of God, and the do that by abrogating the Law.

 

[sparow]

Dear Sparrow,

The "Christian Passover" is the Catholic Mass. For a detailed explanation of this see the recent post:

The Jewish Passover, the Last Supper, and the New Testament Sacrifice, How are they connected?​

My understanding is that the Catholic Mass emulates the Lord's Supper but has to do with the Catholic church and nothing to do with the Passover. The original Lord's Supper was an extra remembering in the midst of the Biblical Passover, the eating of the bread and drinking the wine was already the Passover feast.

 

[sparow]

Dear Sparow,

The Christian Passover is the Catholic Mass. For an explanation of this, see the post: "The Jewish Passover, the Last Supper, and the New Testament Sacrifice, How are they connected?"

Catholic propaganda is not for me.

 

[DamianWarS]

You should be aware that most Christians use Goodness/love in competition with the commandments of God, and the do that by abrogating the Law.

Some may articulate it differently but if you are keeping goodness according to Christ then you're not working against law, you're fulfilling it.

 

[David Lamb]

You should be aware that most Christians use Goodness/love in competition with the commandments of God, and the do that by abrogating the Law.

I don't agree that goodness and love are in competition with the Law, or that most Christians use them that way.

 

[sparow]

Some may articulate it differently but if you are keeping goodness according to Christ then you're not working against law, you're fulfilling it.

I do not disagree with what you are saying, but I expect the same will be said by those who Christ will accuse of Lawlessness.

 

[sparow]

I don't agree that goodness and love are in competition with the Law, or that most Christians use them that way.

The key is "most Christian", and who are they, do they keep the commandments of God and have the Faith of Jesus, or do they abrogate the Law and keep Sunday, do they keep Easter instead of the Passover?

 

[DamianWarS]

I do not disagree with what you are saying, but I expect the same will be said by those who Christ will accuse of Lawlessness.

If one keeps goodness according to Christ, they are lawful and such a person cannot be called lawless. So I'm not sure where the confusion is. Either there is a disagreement as to what this goodness is or an unwillingness to accept it.

Christ shows a fairly clear example with the Sabbath saying that doing good on the Sabbath is lawful. So the work invested in said goodness then inherits the lawful action.

 

[Hazelelponi]

The Last Supper is actually a betrothal/contract/brit. It alludes to the Jewish wedding with its culmination at the marriage supper of the lamb. The 1st day (Sunday) is not the 7th day (Sabbath).

Hello. You are incorrect. All the ceremonial sabbath's are fulfilled in Christ as they all pointed to HIM. Now, we observe Sunday as our Sabbath rest.

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Chapter 21: Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day​

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7: As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; so, in His Word, by a positive, moral, and perpetual commandment binding all men in all ages, He has particularly appointed one day in seven, for a Sabbath, to be kept holy unto him:[437] which, from the beginning of the world to the resurrection of Christ, was the last day of the week: and, from the resurrection of Christ, was changed into the first day of the week,[438] which, in Scripture, is called the Lord’s Day,[439] and is to be continued to the end of the world, as the Christian Sabbath.[440].​

WCF 21.7

Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 21: Of Religious Worship, and the Sabbath Day7: As it is the law of nature, that, in general, a due proportion of time be set apart for the worship of God; s…

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[DamianWarS]

Hello. You are incorrect. All the ceremonial sabbath's are fulfilled in Christ as they all pointed to HIM. Now, we observe Sunday as our Sabbath rest.

If it is fulfilled through Christ wouldn't it be more appropriate that we keep Christ as our sabbath over simply changing the day?