Is the theory of evolution moral and ethical

[Poster0]

evolutionists need to really expand their vocabulary. evolution could mean anything from a caterpillar/butterfly, to a dog breed having better smell, to deer being created from zebras, and becoming their own species. i call the last speciation, .

Evolution theory is a bunch of nonsense. Its proponents use broad definitions which give their arguments flexibility, and this enables them to avoid any meaningful debate which would prove ToE fallacy. Its really the art of deception, not science.

 

[Poster0]

Why would you not expect any scientific theory to change over time, as we learnt more about the field to which it applies? Would you have us not realise that Mr Newton's theory of gravity required some refinement? Should we still be considering that disease is caused by breathing 'bad air'? Do you want us to regard any theory that has undergone improvement to be useless?

I would only ask that evolutionists admit that the theory is fallible and is built on speculation, rather than asserting that its truth. However that will not happen. All I hear from ToE posters is one contradiction after another. Its only strengthens my negative opinion of ToE.

 

[Poster0]

I regret wasting my time here. IM about as tired of ToE as I am of politics and religion. My faith in Christ is about all I care to spend energy on anymore. Everything else seems futile.

 

[Poster0]

Forgive my negativity, perhaps it would be wise for me to avoid these debates because they are not helpful for my personal life. They wont help me get through another day, and they will only fill me with regret rather than peace. The Lord teaches us that peace and love are good, and my heart agrees with that. Its regrettable to go against my heart. My life has been hard. I suffered with drug addiction, depression, and many other such battles. THe Lord gives me purpose, strength and hope. He's the reason that I don't lose it altogether. Perhaps some of you don't see that as useful, but for me its all that matters anymore.

 

[quatona]

I can have a scientific theory that black people are inferior to whites

I don´t think that you can have such a scientific theory.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

I would only ask that evolutionists admit that the theory is fallible and is built on speculation, rather than asserting that its truth.

Evolution is built upon evidence from several different fields of study. For example: Fossil record, genetics & DNA, comparative anatomy and embryology. Evolution is also falsifiable. If we found a fossil in a layer of strata that evolution does not expect us to find there (Mammal in Paleozoic era) would falsify evolution. Nothing of the sort has ever been found.

My life has been hard. I suffered with drug addiction, depression, and many other such battles.

I'm sorry to hear this. There is a support part of this board for recovery, physical and mental health. Plenty of good people there to talk to if you need to.

 

[quatona]

Forgive my negativity, perhaps it would be wise for me to avoid these debates because they are not helpful for my personal life. They wont help me get through another day, and they will only fill me with regret rather than peace. The Lord teaches us that peace and love are good, and my heart agrees with that. Its regrettable to go against my heart. My life has been hard. I suffered with drug addiction, depression, and many other such battles. THe Lord gives me purpose, strength and hope. He's the reason that I don't lose it altogether. Perhaps some of you don't see that as useful, but for me its all that matters anymore.

The personal benefits you get out of your beliefs are one thing - the validity of a scientific theory is another.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And how did they determine that these fossils were human ancestors?

We don't have fossils of the ancestral species with chimps.
That we share an ancestor with chimps from around 6 to 7 milion years ago is inferred from genetic evidence of both humans and chimps.

Much like we can use DNA to determine if your brother is your biological brother or your father your biological father.

They could easily just be fossils from chimps or apes, but that doesn't mean that its a fossil of a creature who eventually evolved into man. Also how do they calculate the fossils age? They are using flawed techniques and much speculation as well. It seems unwise to blindly accept these findings as truth, because there is no real evidence, only speculation.

What is unwise is to argue against things you clearly have no knowledge of.

 

[Fantomas318]

Yet another Christian who uses faith as a term of derision. I guess that tells us how little you think of your own faith.

-/Edit.
(Look on post below.)

 

[Fantomas318]

Yet another Christian who uses faith as a term of derision. I guess that tells us how little you think of your own faith.

I meant this:

I know that faith is much more then just to "think so" as evolutionists are doing.
(Used that phrase because I thought it would do some more impact here, since I didn't think all knew about Rom 12:3)

I myself totally trust in faith and in the Bible.
So you can say I'm convinced!

Because every believer has gotten THE measure of faith.

...as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.” Romans‬ 12:3‬ KJV‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

 

[Chris B]

we were never stupid ape like beasts, but instead we were always intelligent and set apart from animals.

So what happened, then?
We humans show remarkable similarities in behaviour to the great apes, and further abroad in that found in birds, for example.
"Alpha male", "pecking order", group heirarchy, group identification behaviour, courtship and mating rituals and displays...
Oh, and programmed superstimulus response (which explains perfectly why the Twilight novels, dire as literature, are so loved by a particular audience.)

"Always intelligent"? Look around. Humanity individually and especially collectively can be as unintelligent as a herd of lemmings are supposed to be but are not.

 

[malvina]

I watched this and am pretty convinced about the ancient world of giants

It doesn't need much discernment to believe that this man is telling the truth

 

[SteveB28]

I would only ask that evolutionists admit that the theory is fallible and is built on speculation, rather than asserting that its truth. However that will not happen. All I hear from ToE posters is one contradiction after another. Its only strengthens my negative opinion of ToE.

If by "fallible" you mean "capable of being disproven", then every evolutionary biologist would wholeheartedly agree! Because one of the bedrock principles of a scientific theory, as opposed to the method by which you form your world view, is that it must be able to be falsified!

Now, your minor task is to simply falsify it. Good luck with that - people far more knowledgeable than your or me have been trying for the last century and a half. And the theory has only grown stronger.

 

[stevevw]

Forgive my negativity, perhaps it would be wise for me to avoid these debates because they are not helpful for my personal life. They wont help me get through another day, and they will only fill me with regret rather than peace. The Lord teaches us that peace and love are good, and my heart agrees with that. Its regrettable to go against my heart. My life has been hard. I suffered with drug addiction, depression, and many other such battles. THe Lord gives me purpose, strength and hope. He's the reason that I don't lose it altogether. Perhaps some of you don't see that as useful, but for me its all that matters anymore.

I do and you are right that the most important thing is for you to be at peace and live each day as best as you can. It is better to just be yourself and be happy and positive than be something else and be unhappy and stressed. We are all different and each person has their place in the scheme of things with God. In the end it doesn't really matter and a debate is not going to be the be all and end all. Just because a person may have all the answers doesn't mean that this is how they are in life. But remember that this worlds wisdom is not Gods wisdom.
1 Corinthians 3:18
Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become "fools" so that you may become wise.

 

[KCfromNC]

You don't understand DNA sequencing, but you are sure that all of the world's expert geneticists and molecular biologists are wrong. Do I have that right?

The Dunning-Kruger effect in action.

 

[stevevw]

Evolution theory is a bunch of nonsense. Its proponents use broad definitions which give their arguments flexibility, and this enables them to avoid any meaningful debate which would prove ToE fallacy. Its really the art of deception, not science.

What it is is trickery. They use something that is true micro evolution which is small change with a species which has been verified in scientific tests. They then take that and expand it to say that this same process can make big changes beyond a species which has not been verified in tests and is based on assumption.

 

[Armoured]

What it is is trickery. They use something that is true micro evolution which is small change with a species which has been verified in scientific tests. They then take that and expand it to say that this same process can make big changes beyond a species which has not been verified in tests and is based on assumption.

The good old "you can walk across town, but you can't walk across the country" argument.

 

[KCfromNC]

What it is is trickery. They use something that is true micro evolution which is small change with a species which has been verified in scientific tests. They then take that and expand it to say that this same process can make big changes beyond a species which has not been verified in tests and is based on assumption.

You mean based on an overwhelming amount of evidence from multiple independent fields of science.

 

[The Barbarian]

Well I certainly don't accept it - that is - fish to monkeys - to human beings.... our God isn't like that

Stop telling God what to do.

There is ample evidence of a created universe and the created world that we live in.

Yes. That's true. The issue is, you don't approve of the way He did it.

We are getting regular news of ancient discoveries giving evidence of the ''world before our created one' God made our
world from the dust of the ancient world - where there was fallen angels - 'giants' that created the buildings that present day that man couldn't have built and there are many discoveries of the bones of giants being unearthed too - huge ones!

It's usually a bad idea to go adding new doctrines to scripture. Actually, it's always a bad idea. What structures do you think men couldn't have built? They may have been primitive, but the weren't stupid.

I believe the bible to be true - ALL - of it.

If you do, why would you embellish it with all that new material?

 

[SteveB28]

What it is is trickery. They use something that is true micro evolution which is small change with a species which has been verified in scientific tests. They then take that and expand it to say that this same process can make big changes beyond a species which has not been verified in tests and is based on assumption.

Under your name is the descriptor "inquisitive". Given your statement above, how do you justify that picture you paint of yourself?

I think "dogmatic" more appropriate.