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Is the seventh day the Sabbath?

Is the seventh day not the same as the Sabbath?

  • The Seventh day is God's continuous rest.

  • The seventh is a day just as the previous "eveings and mornings" of Genesis 1.

  • The bible clearly shows that the Seventh day is not The sabbath.

  • The Seventh day is the Sabbath as clearly shown in Exodus 20:10.

  • Not sure

  • Don't know

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There is no burden of proof on my part it is on your part to prove. You have stated that is means future and present only. If that is the case then in all applications it must be the same.
You haven't met the burden of proof that rests within your responsibility, and I already responded to your post wherein you showed that you do understand verbal tenses, and how you violated their usage to refer to an entity in the past tense that doesn't exist presently.

Jesus based His claim to divinity on the tense of a verb. That lesson is lost on you, while the Biblical account shows that everyone in attendance had absolutely no difficulty understanding exactly what He meant. Jesus again appealed to the tense of a verb to validate the resurrection, according to Matthew 22:31-33 - and again everyone in attendance understood what Jesus meant.

Here's your argument in a nutshell.
You would claim that since yesterday is Wednesday, it follows that today is Wednesday as well, since you used the present-tense "is" to refer to an event in the past in denial of its expiration.
Yesterday was Wednesday, and your whole premise is a horrible mistake.
 
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Originally Posted by BobRyan
Originally Posted by mmksparbud
And still this fight goes on----amazing how hard people fight to go against the written and spoken word of God! How anyone can say that the Sabbath is not the 7th day of creation week is beyond ludicrous when it is so plain! God did something on that day--, .
God said "The seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God" Ex 20:8-11 "Made for mankind" Mark 2:27 and a time when "all mankind shall come before Me to worship" Is 66 in the New Heavens and New Earth.

in Christ,

Bob




Just not in my actual posts??

VC loves to make stuff up about what others post without actually showing that they are doing what is claimed by VC - possibly that game is played to mislead the readers?

Who knows why that keeps happening??

anyone?

in Christ,

Bob
What I'm wondering is how does this personal attack refutes VictorC's post?
 
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The Bible says that Adam did have the Sabbath in Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:3 - as we all know.

In fact even the pro-sunday sources listed below in my signature line - admit that they know that. How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader.
Folks this is right out of the bologna factory. There is no indication of any observance of the Sabbath till after Israel's departure from Egypt.
 
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What I'm wondering is how does this personal attack refutes VictorC's post?
It doesn't. mmksparbud left the conversation unable to either acknowledge or deny God's redemption as His own when she couldn't figure out if His rest might just be better than the Sabbath.
 
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Adam rested on the sixth day, Gen 2:21-22

21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
Yes Adam was in surgery at that time against his will.
 
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Yes Adam was in surgery at that time against his will.
Isn't resting on the 6th day breaking the rules of working 6 days and resting on the 7th? This would prove the Sabbath is actually Friday.
 
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Blaten denial of truth! I asked you where you find in the bIble "man" being made as reference to a Jew/Jews? Give it up! I see where it refers to all mankind as all others do.
Jesus doesn't make a claim that the Sabbath was given "to all mankind". That's an insertion Adventists make when they deny the Law's testimony, and your premise demands that Jesus was speaking contrary to the Law that He repeatedly affirmed as reliable. Another member already pointed out that the Sabbath was itself a covenant, I bumped that point up, and none of you have any defense for your contradiction of the Law.

Your signature line says it all: To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 
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How ridiculous can you be? God said it was the Seventh day!
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Elder, the joke is on you. The first part of the sentence explains that God rested on the seventh day of creation. You dont seem to understand that a colon (:)semi-colon(;) or period (.) separates the statement.
Secondly, the word: 'wherefore' or 'therefore' means: 'this is why'. So the understanding of that text implies......In 6days God made heaven and earth and rested on the seventh day; this is why the Sabbath day is (also) blessed and made holy. Elder, the text does not say that God kept a Sabbath. It says that He rested on the seventh day.
I think the NLT does a good job for a simple understanding of some scriptures. (not all)
Translations for Exo 20:11
KJV For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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NKJV For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
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NLT For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.
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NIV For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
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ESV For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
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NASB “For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and made it holy.
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RSV for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.
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ASV for in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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YLT for six days hath Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and resteth in the seventh day; therefore hath Jehovah blessed the Sabbath-day, and doth sanctify it.
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DBY For in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Jehovah blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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WEB For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath-day, and hallowed it.
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HNV for in six days the LORD made heaven and eretz, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the LORD blessed the day of Shabbat, and made it holy.
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Blaten denial of truth! I asked you where you find in the bIble "man" being made as reference to a Jew/Jews? Give it up! I see where it refers to all mankind as all others do.
(using your approach) Are you calling God a liar? God said that Sabbath is a sign between Him and the Children if Israel. (not all mankind.)
SHOW US WHAT BIBLE VERSION SAYS ALL MANKIND.

Notice how the NLT put Christ's reply in propper context in reponse to the Pharisees...............
Translations for Mar 2:27
KJV And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
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NKJV And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.
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NLT Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath.
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NIV Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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ESV And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.
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RVR60 También les dijo: El día de reposo fue hecho por causa del hombre, y no el hombre por causa del día de reposo.
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NASB Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath fnwas made fnfor man, and not man fnfor the Sabbath.
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RSV And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
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ASV And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
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YLT And he said to them, 'The sabbath for man was made, not man for the sabbath,
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DBY And he said to them, The sabbath was made on account of man, not man on account of the sabbath;
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WEB And he said to them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
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HNV He said to them, "The Shabbat was made for man, not man for the Shabbat.
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VUL et dicebat eis sabbatum propter hominem factum est et non homo propter sabbatum
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MGNT καὶ ἔλεγεν αὐτοῖς τὸ σάββατον διὰ τὸν ἄνθρωπον ἐγένετο καὶ οὐχ ὁ ἄνθρωπος διὰ τὸ σάββατον
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Originally Posted by Elder 111
Getting back to biblical facts.
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Note the text very carefully and consider the facts that we should take into account.


  1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
  2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.
  1. Firstly to break bread also means to eat. So there is no absolute case for a church meaning on the first day of the week.
  2. There were together because Paul was leaving the next morning and you are completely ignoring the fact that the day was reckoned from evening which places this midnight at Saturday night. Not good for you to admit that truth is it?
  3. Try as you might this first day was what we call Saturday night and Paul was on his way Sunday morning. The purpose was not to keep a Sunday service but to say goodbye.
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TIMELINE......... Let's say that: on Saturday arround 6:pm+or- minutes,
3 is when the first day begins. We still have 5 or 6 hrs till midnight. SO if the bible says:
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

You have some nerves to say that they came together for Sabbath meeting when the text say: (a) "on the first day of the week", (b)"WHEN they came together to break bread." This text prove that it was not on Sabbath. Then the fact that Paul preached on the first day of the week means preaching and teaching was not restrcited to Sabbath day.


The fact is Paul preached till midnight after they broke bread. (communion)
 
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It doesn't. mmksparbud left the conversation unable to either acknowledge or deny God's redemption as His own when she couldn't figure out if His rest might just be better than the Sabbath.

Hey--Watch it bud!!--You are, as usual, making up stuff!! And that is not, as some may imply, a personal attack, but a statement of truth in rebuttal to that hogwash you posted up there!!--You are implying by my absence on this post that I couldn't figure out some stupid idea of yours---It just so happens that my husband fessed up to having been lying to me regarding his health--didn't want to worry me--his endoscopy was not normal as he said and in fact he could no longer hide the fact that he must go to surgery within the next few weeks and have the upper part of his stomach removed before the certainty of cancer sets in--He's had Barrett's Esophagus for several years now and has continued to smoke and, occasionally, even drink.--I've had other things on my mind besides this useless, silly argument against the word of the Most High God.
I tend to be a hit and run poster anyway--I say what I'm thinking and maybe I come back, maybe not. I made some quick posts on other threads during this time.
Truth is, I find these posts to be an exercise in futility as everybody pretty much says the same thing over and over and no one is convinced of anything except their own point of view, so why bother, except for those who fly by to see if anyone has said anything different.
There is not one thing in this world that can be said about the fact that creation week consists of 7 days--each and every one of those days are unique and everything in them belong to God who gave us the fruits of each one of His days--and to diminish even one day is to diminish His work. Each day was a gift to us, and each and every single thing about each day are His by right of creating them Himself and precious beyond words that He gave the products of those days to us--He isn't a cheap giver. The Sabbath is no different. Don't want it??---no problem, you don't have to take anything that He offers--not even the free gift of Salvation. Dance around it all you want--doesn't matter to me, it doesn't change anything about my life except that I have added CF to my prayers!
And you have a long history of making up things about what people think--it's a very bad habit and every time somebody calls you on it one of your other silly cronies complains that the poster is leveling a personal attack against you!!!!--That is shameful! You are not psychic! Lay off the theories of what people are thinking!!! You're always wrong anyway!! I may or may not come back and I'd appreciate it if you don't make up any theories as to why I'm not here!! I've said what I want to say.
 
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Hey--Watch it bud!!--You are, as usual, making up stuff!! And that is not, as some may imply, a personal attack, but a statement of truth in rebuttal to that hogwash you posted up there!!--You are implying by my absence on this post that I couldn't figure out some stupid idea of yours---It just so happens that my husband fessed up to having been lying to me regarding his health--didn't want to worry me--his endoscopy was not normal as he said and in fact he could no longer hide the fact that he must go to surgery within the next few weeks and have the upper part of his stomach removed before the certainty of cancer sets in--He's had Barrett's Esophagus for several years now and has continued to smoke and, occasionally, even drink.--I've had other things on my mind besides this useless, silly argument against the word of the Most High God.
I tend to be a hit and run poster anyway--I say what I'm thinking and maybe I come back, maybe not. I made some quick posts on other threads during this time.
Truth is, I find these posts to be an exercise in futility as everybody pretty much says the same thing over and over and no one is convinced of anything except their own point of view, so why bother, except for those who fly by to see if anyone has said anything different.
There is not one thing in this world that can be said about the fact that creation week consists of 7 days--each and every one of those days are unique and everything in them belong to God who gave us the fruits of each one of His days--and to diminish even one day is to diminish His work. Each day was a gift to us, and each and every single thing about each day are His by right of creating them Himself and precious beyond words that He gave the products of those days to us--He isn't a cheap giver. The Sabbath is no different. Don't want it??---no problem, you don't have to take anything that He offers--not even the free gift of Salvation. Dance around it all you want--doesn't matter to me, it doesn't change anything about my life except that I have added CF to my prayers!
And you have a long history of making up things about what people think--it's a very bad habit and every time somebody calls you on it one of your other silly cronies complains that the poster is leveling a personal attack against you!!!!--That is shameful! You are not psychic! Lay off the theories of what people are thinking!!! You're always wrong anyway!! I may or may not come back and I'd appreciate it if you don't make up any theories as to why I'm not here!! I've said what I want to say.
I'm sorry about your husband's health issues. By no means should the discussion forum take a higher priority than issues at home.

Having said that, I didn't propose any reason for your absence. I mentioned that you left without resolving an issue I consider serious. I didn't make up anything, and I'm not wrong. It probably took more of your time writing the above than it would have addressing the content of my post.
 
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It doesn't. mmksparbud left the conversation unable to either acknowledge or deny God's redemption as His own when she couldn't figure out if His rest might just be better than the Sabbath.

OK fella--get your big boy pants on--reread what you said--and just man up--you implied I stayed away. because I couldn't figure out how to answer you--I answered you--you don't like my answer that's too bad--You still can't say anything about my statements to discredit them--they're facts and that's it--believe what you want--I'll believe what I feel is written in Gods word. You don't have to agree! I refuse to diminish the creation week by eliminating any single day of it--all 7 days are a gift to us--period--and this is the answer to the so called content of your post--over and out--curiosity stinks--it's what got Eve into trouble, I knew I should have stayed away-- I've got to feed my hubbies rotten tummy, it's growling loud enough for even you to hear!
 
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OK fella--get your big boy pants on--reread what you said--and just man up--you implied I stayed away. because I couldn't figure out how to answer you--I answered you--you don't like my answer that's too bad--You still can't say anything about my statements to discredit them--they're facts and that's it--believe what you want--I'll believe what I feel is written in Gods word. You don't have to agree! I refuse to diminish the creation week by eliminating any single day of it--all 7 days are a gift to us--period--and this is the answer to the so called content of your post--over and out--curiosity stinks--it's what got Eve into trouble, I knew I should have stayed away-- I've got to feed my hubbies rotten tummy, it's growling loud enough for even you to hear!
I'm certain that it took more time for you to write the above than it would have to respond to the content of my post.
 
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Hey--Watch it bud!!--You are, as usual, making up stuff!! And that is not, as some may imply, a personal attack, but a statement of truth in rebuttal to that hogwash you posted up there!!--You are implying by my absence on this post that I couldn't figure out some stupid idea of yours---It just so happens that my husband fessed up to having been lying to me regarding his health--didn't want to worry me--his endoscopy was not normal as he said and in fact he could no longer hide the fact that he must go to surgery within the next few weeks and have the upper part of his stomach removed before the certainty of cancer sets in--He's had Barrett's Esophagus for several years now and has continued to smoke and, occasionally, even drink.--I've had other things on my mind besides this useless, silly argument against the word of the Most High God.
I tend to be a hit and run poster anyway--I say what I'm thinking and maybe I come back, maybe not. I made some quick posts on other threads during this time.
Truth is, I find these posts to be an exercise in futility as everybody pretty much says the same thing over and over and no one is convinced of anything except their own point of view, so why bother, except for those who fly by to see if anyone has said anything different.
There is not one thing in this world that can be said about the fact that creation week consists of 7 days--each and every one of those days are unique and everything in them belong to God who gave us the fruits of each one of His days--and to diminish even one day is to diminish His work. Each day was a gift to us, and each and every single thing about each day are His by right of creating them Himself and precious beyond words that He gave the products of those days to us--He isn't a cheap giver. The Sabbath is no different. Don't want it??---no problem, you don't have to take anything that He offers--not even the free gift of Salvation. Dance around it all you want--doesn't matter to me, it doesn't change anything about my life except that I have added CF to my prayers!
And you have a long history of making up things about what people think--it's a very bad habit and every time somebody calls you on it one of your other silly cronies complains that the poster is leveling a personal attack against you!!!!--That is shameful! You are not psychic! Lay off the theories of what people are thinking!!! You're always wrong anyway!! I may or may not come back and I'd appreciate it if you don't make up any theories as to why I'm not here!! I've said what I want to say.
Dear mmksparbud,

You have the opportunity to be an SDA champion. Give us one solid fact based fact to depart from grace (the leading of the Holy Spirit) and join you in your amended version of the law administering death and stop this nonsense. Problem is you can't do it. Is been proven over and over that you nor any SDA can't.
 
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OK fella--get your big boy pants on--reread what you said--and just man up--you implied I stayed away. because I couldn't figure out how to answer you--I answered you--you don't like my answer that's too bad--You still can't say anything about my statements to discredit them--they're facts and that's it--believe what you want--I'll believe what I feel is written in Gods word. You don't have to agree! I refuse to diminish the creation week by eliminating any single day of it--all 7 days are a gift to us--period--and this is the answer to the so called content of your post--over and out--curiosity stinks--it's what got Eve into trouble, I knew I should have stayed away-- I've got to feed my hubbies rotten tummy, it's growling loud enough for even you to hear!
Complaining won't do you any good. We want a solid irrefutable defense of your position. So far its absent.
 
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Originally Posted by VictorC
It doesn't. mmksparbud left the conversation unable to either acknowledge or deny God's redemption as His own when she couldn't figure out if His rest might just be better than the Sabbath.


...-I'll believe what I feel is written in Gods word. You don't have to agree! I refuse to diminish the creation week by eliminating any single day of it--all 7 days are a gift to us--period--and this is the answer to the so called content of your post--over and out--curiosity stinks--it's what got Eve into trouble, I knew I should have stayed away-- I've got to feed my hubbies rotten tummy, it's growling loud enough for even you to hear!

Don't be too surprised that the response to your Bible-based position is to think up some ad hominem retort against you personally. That is just so much to be "expected" when they run out of logical responses.

The other option for the failed arguments against God's Sabbath is to imagine some false either or fallacy "Would you rather have Christ or the command to love one another" or "Christ or God's Sabbath rest" idea placing them in opposition.

Simplistic fallacies are to be expected as the only resort left to the arguments against God's Sabbath.

in Christ,

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You have some nerves to say that they came together for Sabbath meeting when the text say: (a) "on the first day of the week", (b)"WHEN they came together to break bread." This text prove that it was not on Sabbath. Then the fact that Paul preached on the first day of the week means preaching and teaching was not restrcited to Sabbath day.


The fact is Paul preached till midnight after they broke bread. (communion)

The fact is that the text says it is in the evening - and that midnight was also included in this " week-day-1" statement for the meeting.

And in the Bible - fact is that the evening of week-day-1 is what we today call Saturday evening.

Which means the plan was to travel all day Sunday - and have Christian worship on Saturday - or at the very least - Saturday evening.

No escaping that.

in Christ,

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  1. The First day of the week at midnight would be Saturday night in our time. The days was reckoned from evening. We should therefore understand that they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued to on into Saturday night/first day of the week.
  2. For certain there were no Sunday service for the next morning/Sunday Paul was on his way. 13 And we went before to ship, and sailed unto Assos, there intending to take in Paul: for so had he appointed, minding himself to go afoot.
  1. Firstly to break bread also means to eat. So there is no absolute case for a church meaning on the first day of the week.
  2. There were together because Paul was leaving the next morning and you are completely ignoring the fact that the day was reckoned from evening which places this midnight at Saturday night. Not good for you to admit that truth is it?
  3. Try as you might this first day was what we call Saturday night and Paul was on his way Sunday morning. The purpose was not to keep a Sunday service but to say goodbye.
TIMELINE......... Let's say that: on Saturday arround 6:pm+or- minutes,
3 is when the first day begins. We still have 5 or 6 hrs till midnight. SO if the bible says:
Act 20:7. And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

You have some nerves to say that they came together for Sabbath meeting when the text say: (a) "on the first day of the week", (b)"WHEN they came together to break bread." This text prove that it was not on Sabbath. Then the fact that Paul preached on the first day of the week means preaching and teaching was not restrcited to Sabbath day.


The fact is Paul preached till midnight after they broke bread. (communion)[/quote]
So they were together from Sabbath meeting and continued.
 
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