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I'd love to see it, but it just looks like nonsense. I'm not harboring or cherishing any sin that I know of. I'm willing to do whatever God says, as far as I know. But re-inventing the wheel of the creation story according to your interpretation honestly strains credulity for me. It makes... no... sense.Brother, you've articulated why nobody wants to see it.
Sweeping generalization.I use the King James Version because it seems to be the standard for SDAs.
Brother, it means that when God makes a time holy, in this case the seventh-day of creation in Eden, fixed in time is that period and does not circle the earth with the week as tradition would have as believe. So, wherever you find yourself on the earth you have to adjust for your distance from Eden, in the case of Israel, they have to start the Sabbath 10 hours earlier than their local seventh-day of the week. It also means that from Israel we can know where Eden is and it falls on the International Date Line (IDL) that nobody thought was the site of our origin where God taught us to count the days with the week. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, JorgeIt makes... no... sense.
??I declare the following from the scriptures
No Dave, I am not the lest bit hostile. Observe any day you choose. What I am hostile about is that SDAs teach that most of the remainder of Christianity must observe the day SDAs deem to be the Sabbath or face eternal damnation.What does this mean?:
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7
I have read your other posts. You are patently hostile toward Sabbath-keepers. No need to pretend otherwise. My supply of time and effort is limited. As I have said, I will expend some energy in countering your harmful influence, but I will not spar with you for your amusement.
Claiming something doesn't make it so. The history of your forum activity speaks for itself.No Dave, I am not the lest bit hostile.
Thanks for your okay.Observe any day you choose.
Just another exaggerated, sweeping generalizationWhat I am hostile about is that SDAs teach that most of the remainder of Christianity must observe the day SDAs deem to be the Sabbath or face eternal damnation.
What you write proves simply that you have deep convictions that your favorite parts of scripture are what everyone should focus on. Nothing more.What I write proves that...
You don't seem to know what hostility is. Because I expose the false doctrines your church espouses concerning Sabbath, and tithing you label me as hostile and then same as tell me I am a liar for explaining what I am doing..Claiming something doesn't make it so. The history of your forum activity speaks for itself.
You are more than welcome.Thanks for your okay.
I exaggerate the fact that the SDA church teaches that those who reject the the day you deem as the Sabbath will not inherit eternal life. Why are you trying to diminish one of the beliefs of the SDA church?Just another exaggerated, sweeping generalization
And you??You write as though your opinions command much more consideration than others, and you dismissingly belittle the conscientious convictions of others as delusion and folly. It is very, very unkind. And it's shocking that a believer of your experience cannot control such behavior.
Most of Christianity is not that divided. Your church is the one that divides itself from mainstream ChristianityScripture is harmonious but paradoxical. This is what brings about division among those who cherish disagreement and exposes spiritual poverty.
Opinions run rampant from you.Your family situation is your own business and has absolutely no bearing on the distinction between truth and error. And using them in a discussion about controversial doctrine really serves no purpose except perhaps as bait for tempting some unsuspecting conversant to take a shot at them.
I have done no labeling or name-calling (such as your "Sabbath Salesmen"). I have merely acknowledged the pattern of your forum activity. Frankly, if I were at liberty to call you anything, it wouldn't be "liar."you label me as hostile and then same as tell me I am a liar for explaining what I am doing
The church teaches no such thing, and you know it. The most basic Adventist training includes the teaching of scripture that speaks of God winking at ignorance and sin being accountable only to those who are aware of it and are convicted as such. Furthermore, you must know that the mark of the beast has not yet been instituted.I exaggerate the fact that the SDA church teaches that those who reject the day you deem as the Sabbath will not inherit eternal life.
Why do you ascribe motive and agenda and presume to read the minds of people of whom you barely know? It is a simple thing to observe a pattern of behavior: You chomp at the bit to malign and dismantle Sabbath-keepers--that is a literally documented reality--your forum activity consists of little else (You even try to get Sabbath-keepers to turn upon one another). I researched from suspicion of as much, and was unfortunately correct in my suspicions.Why are you trying to diminish one of the beliefs of the SDA church?
I make no demands upon people's convictions. I try to be clear and well-spoken, I try to avoid expressing mere opinions, and I generally esteem others better than myself. But I do recognize and acknowledge fault when I see it, especially when it tends to be malicious or of a bullying nature. If the shoe fits...And you??
Correct. And that is because pluralistic ecumenism is the order of the day. But I wasn't referring to Christianity, in general, but of doctrinal discussion, in particular.Most of Christianity is not that divided.
A bit of Googling is all it takes to dispel this relic of a myth.Your church is the one that divides itself from mainstream Christianity
There is a distinct difference between opinion and the statement of fact followed by a bit of speculation of strategy to which you refer. The definition of the word "opinion" in an abridged dictionary is quite interesting. It's commonly misunderstood.Opinions run rampant from you.
I didn't know my beliefs were in question, and they are not so unique that they have not been presented to you many, many times over. There is nothing left to say in their defense. The fact that you reject and despise them is no reason for me to cast pearls before you.When you cannot give a reason for your beliefs and are challenged
The Bible shows me that In Israel, the Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week as it was in Eden. Genesis 1:3-5 shows that the first day is from light to light or from morning to morning:
Brother, according to Jewish religious law, Shabbat is observed from a few minutes before sunset on Friday evening until the appearance of three stars in the sky on Saturday night. The more you show love for God by obeying Him the earlier before sunset you will start your Shabbat to avoid violating God’s law.
Brother, in short, you force God to say what He chose not to say
Comparing Genesis with Leviticus convinced me that the first day ends with the first half of a Sabbath
Brother, happy Sabbath! God told Israel and you assume that God told everyone when that assumption fails in Eden, where the first Sabbath was from light to light, ending in the morning as clearly seen on the first day in Genesis. God began the first day when God turned on the first period of light from morning to evening before the period of night from evening to morning completed the first 24 hours from the first light to the light again in the morning.he did choose to say...
Lev 23:32 It shall be to you a sabbath of solemn rest,...from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your Sabbath.”
That is a forced defense inconsistent with God's use of the word evening in Leviticus, where it both begins and ends a period and is not in itself a period like you use it saying all evening and all morning when they are instances that begin and end the half periods of day and night that complete a 24 hour day.so that all of evening and all of morning (which takes you to the next evening) is one day.
Incorrect, because the first half of a Sabbath in Israel, as is our experience, is a period that God called night of 12 hours from evening to morning, which in Eden also concluded the first day that began earlier with the light period of morning to evening that God called day. In Eden the Sabbath is different than in Israel. God knew what He was saying when He ended the first day with the period of the night, from evening to morning in Eden, forced to represent a full day because of our Saturday tradition adopted from the Jews in Israel, who not only were wrong about Jesus, they were also wrong about the Sabbath in other places besides Israel.I think we can all agree that "the first half of a Sabbath" is not a term found in all of scripture nor is there in Genesis on day 1 "the first half of a Sabbath" terminology in the remotest sense.
Brother, consider God’s use of these words in the Bible: “day” and “night” as 12-hour periods and “evening” and “morning” as transitions between these two periods. Note that these transitions need two periods, needed is the period before to transition to the period after. Light is necessary before an evening can occur, the word evening ends the 12-hour day of light and begins the 12-hour night of darkness. Before the first day there was darkness, what there was not before the first day was light to begin with an evening, you can only begin the first day with a morning, given the earlier darkness necessary to move from darkness to light. Evening is a transition word in the middle of the first 24-hour day and not a period of darkness inconsistent with God's use in Leviticus of this transition word that is not a period word. Note that God did not say in Genesis: “and there was night and there was day, the first day,” as you force Him to say above, when He chose to say something else with other words that are not period words, but transition words that mean something completely different, the 12-hours of night with nothing to report during this period because God stopped the creation every night period and only created during the light period within the week of creation.so that all of evening and all of morning (which takes you to the next evening) is one day.
Brother, consider God’s use of these words in the Bible: “day” and “night” as 12-hour periods and “evening” and “morning” as transitions between these two periods. Note that these transitions need two periods, needed is the period before to transition to the period after. Light is necessary before an evening can occur,
so that all of evening and all of morning (which takes you to the next evening) is one day.
Brother, the Bible opposes our tradition as false: the Sabbath is not the 7th day of the week in Israel. Multiple-choice questions guide step by step below, starting with common ground.a 24 hour sequence starting with night and ending with the evening that therefore terminates the end of that "morning".
Brother, consider God’s use of these words in the Bible: “day” and “night” as 12-hour periods and “evening” and “morning” as transitions between these two periods. Note that these transitions need two periods, needed is the period before to transition to the period after. Light is necessary before an evening can occur,
Brother, the Bible opposes our tradition as false:
the Sabbath is not the 7th day of the week
Multiple-choice questions guide step by step below, starting with common ground.
- What order of God-named-12-hour-periods are within the 24-hour period in Leviticus?
- a period named “day” followed by a period named “night”
- a period named “night” followed by a period named “day”
- Is there a morning between the two evenings in Leviticus to divide the day and night halves?
- yes
- no
- What 12-hour period did God name “day”?
- morning to evening
- evening to morning
- What 12-hour period did God name “night”?
- morning to evening
- evening to morning
- How long in hours is this period in Leviticus: evening to evening?
- 24 hours
- 12 hours
Brother, can you see the Sabbath separated from the seventh day of the week in Israel? Not committed to the need to defend our tradition, can you follow the above multiple-choice questions as revealing that the first Sabbath was like the first day from the first light to the light again in the morning or from morning to morning and not from evening to evening? The Sabbath is not as we thought, it actually reveals the reason for the International Date Line site as the place where God taught us to count the days with the week.Here where I live evening is anytime after morning and morning ends a noon. Could it be that the day started at noon? Since Christians are not under the laws of the Sinai covenant and there is no proof that God ever required anyone to observe a day until the Israelites crossed the Red Sea we don't have to worry about keeping days.
I am united and pray for the soon return of our Savior to take us out of all the havoc caused by satan. I fear that those involved in trying to keep the Sabbath, that was given only to Israel, are forgetting the real reason for being a CHRISTian.Brother, can you see the Sabbath separated from the seventh day of the week in Israel? Not committed to the need to defend our tradition, can you follow the above multiple-choice questions as revealing that the first Sabbath was like the first day from the first light to the light again in the morning or from morning to morning and not from evening to evening? The Sabbath is not as we thought, it actually reveals the reason for the International Date Line site as the place where God taught us to count the days with the week.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. (Genesis 1:3-5 NIV)
United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Here where I live evening is anytime after morning and morning ends a noon.
Brother, can you see the Sabbath separated from the seventh day of the week in Israel?
the first Sabbath was like the first day from the first light to the light again in the morning or from morning to morning and not from evening to evening?
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