But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.Well, Jesus did fulfill all that He came to do. He is, after all, God. God doesn't do anything halfway now, does He?
I guess you are arguing that He didn't fulfill all He came to do. Is that correct? Maybe you should reconsider.But all things must be done properly and in an orderly manner.
1 Corinthians 14:40
You couldn't be more wrong in your guessing. I believe Hid did, without question, fulfill everything He came to fulfill. Exactly what it was He came to fulfill seems to be at a loss for consensus among forum members. Your judgment appears to be above questioning or dispute. Personally, I distrust myself to read minds or to dictate across others' liberty of conscience.I guess you are arguing that He didn't fulfill all He came to do.
So sorry about my guessing. I couldn't understand why you would use 1Cor14:40 as a related verse, so I determined you were, in some way, in opposition. Most are here on this forum.You couldn't be more wrong in your guessing. I believe Hid did, without question, fulfill everything He came to fulfill. Exactly what it was He came to fulfill seems to be at a loss for consensus among forum members. Your judgment appears to be above questioning or dispute. Personally, I distrust myself to read minds or to dictate across others' liberty of conscience.
So scripture is inspired opinion?Peter said Paul was hard to understand. That was Peter's opinion.
Correct, unless one is unstable and unlearned, and tending toward destruction.2Cor 3 is not, in the least hard to understand.
I'll bet the remote missionaries really wish that were true.the 10 commandments have been done away KJV and our guide is the Holy Spirit.
Wait, I thought they were the ministration of death.They are about duty.
There is no need to read Galatians, ch. 5 to deduce that a good way to love your neighbor is to refrain from lying, killing, stealing, coveting, etc. or that a good way to love God is to respect His Name, refrain from preferring idols over Him and disregarding the Holy day He said to remember and observe.Read Gal5 and then tell me that the 10 the definition of God's love to us.
I wonder why the Gospel of Luke which is believed to have been authored (at earliest estimates) over 45 years after Calvary (well into the new covenant era) records, without any qualification or disclaimer, that the followers of Christ, upon laying His body to rest, went home and kept the Sabbath according to the commandment.the old covenant ended at Calvary.
Yes, and there are only 3 times in the Bible where the words "ten" and "commandments" are coupled together at all. Are we then to assume that this is the precision gage with which we are to measure the importance of the ten commandments among the roughly 600,000 words which comprise the Old Testament?There is about 20 places in the New Testament that either says God's commands or the commandments of God. Not one of them have ten associated with them.
This is a dire dilemma. We are now left to pick and choose what is inspired and what is not.Not every thought or idea found in scripture is God-inspired.
Peter didn't understand Jesus, so it would stand to reason that he had a hard time with Paul's writings. I have no reason to believe that what Peter said was inspired just as I don't believe when Paul wrote: "I say....".So scripture is inspired opinion?
According to your following statement, you would fit into one of the categories.Correct, unless one is unstable and unlearned, and tending toward destruction.
And you don't? What does "done away" mean to you?I'll bet the remote missionaries really wish that were true.
Take that up with Paul. He wrote it and, of course, He was inspired, I hope you at least can agree on that. Keep them all you want, but they cannot give eternal life. All they could do is condemn when they were broken thus they were the ministration of death.Wait, I thought they were the ministration of death.
Oh! so should Gal 5 be removed from scripture? Gal 5 listed some of the etc that you mentioned that are not included in the now-defunct 10 commandments.There is no need to read Galatians, ch. 5 to deduce that a good way to love your neighbor is to refrain from lying, killing, stealing, coveting, etc.
Jesus fulfilled the Law, all of it including the 4th commandment of the defunct 10. The new covenant laws are all about loving others as Jesus loves us. That includes laying down our lives for others. That command in its self supersedes any of the 10.or that a good way to love God is to respect His Name, refrain from preferring idols over Him and disregarding the Holy day He said to remember and observe.
So???? Paul kept the feast days, does that make it necessary for Christians?I wonder why the Gospel of Luke which is believed to have been authored (at earliest estimates) over 45 years after Calvary (well into the new covenant era) records, without any qualification or disclaimer, that the followers of Christ, upon laying His body to rest, went home and kept the Sabbath according to the commandment.
Why wouldn't those under that covenant not understand that the 10 were part of the Law they were under? The New Covenant isn't about the same things as was the old one. In all of New Testament scripture, we will not find one place where there is a ten before commandments and assuming such is adding to the meaning of scripture. That becomes very plain when we read 1Jn3:19-24. It doesn't mention the keeping of days, weeks months or years. It is about eternal life for all mankind. According to John, it is all about believing and love. The old one was about how the Israelites were to live in the desert and then in the land of Canaan. See Ex19:5-6.Yes, and there are only 3 times in the Bible where the words "ten" and "commandments" are coupled together at all. Are we then to assume that this is the precision gage with which we are to measure the importance of the ten commandments among the roughly 600,000 words which comprise the Old Testament?
I am sorry it has become such a strain on your brain.This is a dire dilemma. We are now left to pick and choose what is inspired and what is not.
Peter didn't understand Jesus, so it would stand to reason that he had a hard time with Paul's writings. I have no reason to believe that what Peter said was inspired just as I don't believe when Paul wrote: "I say....".
According to your following statement, you would fit into one of the categories.
And you don't? What does "done away" mean to you?
Take that up with Paul. He wrote it and, of course, He was inspired, I hope you at least can agree on that. Keep them all you want, but they cannot give eternal life. All they could do is condemn when they were broken thus they were the ministration of death.
Oh! so should Gal 5 be removed from scripture? Gal 5 listed some of the etc that you mentioned that are not included in the now-defunct 10 commandments.
Jesus fulfilled the Law, all of it including the 4th commandment of the defunct 10. The new covenant laws are all about loving others as Jesus loves us. That includes laying down our lives for others. That command in its self supersedes any of the 10.
So???? Paul kept the feast days, does that make it necessary for Christians?
Why wouldn't those under that covenant not understand that the 10 were part of the Law they were under? The New Covenant isn't about the same things as was the old one. In all of New Testament scripture, we will not find one place where there is a ten before commandments and assuming such is adding to the meaning of scripture. That becomes very plain when we read 1Jn3:19-24. It doesn't mention the keeping of days, weeks months or years. It is about eternal life for all mankind. According to John, it is all about believing and love. The old one was about how the Israelites were to live in the desert and then in the land of Canaan. See Ex19:5-6.
I am sorry it has become such a strain on your brain.
With a false premise, the truth won't be arrived at....The Bible shows me that In Israel, the Sabbath is not the seventh day of the week as it was in Eden. Genesis 1:3-5 shows that the first day is from light to light or from morning to morning
Actually, it was the two.Jesus was right in that all the law and the prophets hang on those 10.
Brother, the first day ends in the "morning" making the next day start in the "morning", the word "morning" is a transition word between two periods: the morning ends the night of the previous day and the light of the next day begins. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, JorgeWith a false premise, the truth won't be arrived at....
Again a false premise..... nothing can be built upon a false premise..... It will just fall down same as on quicksand ....Brother, the first day ends in the "morning" making the next day start in the "morning",
Brother, the light is from morning to evening that God called day, the 12 hours of light of the first half of 24 hours, and the "first day" of 24 hours ends with the second half from evening to morning that God called night, the 12 hours of darkness.Again a false premise..... nothing can be built upon a false premise..... It will just fall down same as on quicksand ....
Not buying that oil, Brother. Don't know which Adventist church taught you that, but it's definitely not part of the orthodoxy of the General Conference 28 or the BRI. I guess there's always a new schism around the corner.Brother, the light is from morning to evening that God called day, the 12 hours of light of the first half of 24 hours, and the "first day" of 24 hours ends with the second half from evening to morning that God called night, the 12 hours of darkness.
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning--the first day. (Genesis 1:5 NIV)
The period between an "evening" and a "morning" that ended the first day is not 24 hours, that period is only the night half a day period of 12 hours that completed the first day that began before this sentence with a period of light from morning to evening. This makes the first day from light to light or from morning to morning. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
the light is from morning to evening that God called day, the 12 hours of light of the first half of 24 hours, and the "first day" of 24 hours ends with the second half from evening to morning that God called night, the 12 hours of darkness.
Again a false premise..... nothing can be built upon a false premise..... It will just fall down same as on quicksand ....
I saw a similar if not the same false teaching sometime a year or more ago, about "12 hour" something or another, but do not remember who was the false teacher.the light is from morning to evening that God called day, the 12 hours of light of the first half of 24 hours, and the "first day" of 24 hours ends with the second half from evening to morning that God called night, the 12 hours of darkness.
What is this, chopped liver?Brother, you didn't ask me, but this is a question that I can answer with confidence. The new covenant is Jesus replacing the sacrifice of so many animals for the forgiveness of sin. It is not the only covenant God has made with us and also does not replace all previous covenants. It is not new in the sense that it was known from the beginning, because Adam and Eve were told of the coming of Jesus that would replace the forgiveness of sin by its shadow of the sacrifice of a lamb representing Jesus. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
And it came to pass, that when the gates of Jerusalem began to be dark before the Sabbath, I commanded that the gates should be shut, and charged that they should not be opened till after the Sabbath: and some of my servants set I at the gates, that there should no burden be brought in on the Sabbath day.The period between an "evening" and a "morning" that ended the first day is not 24 hours, that period is only the night half a day period of 12 hours that completed the first day that began before this sentence with a period of light from morning to evening. This makes the first day from light to light or from morning to morning.
Brother, although the Seventh-day Adventist Church has prepared me to see this new truth through our investigation of the word translated as "evening", someone who is not of my faith highlighted this truth in Genesis in a forum in Spanish. Comparing Genesis with Leviticus convinced me that the first day ends with the first half of a Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening in Leviticus with a morning in the middle that splits the two halves, the first 12 hour period of a Sabbath night in Israel ends the first day that began earlier with a 12-hour light period. United in our hope of the soon return of Jesus, JorgeNot buying that oil, Brother. Don't know which Adventist church taught you that, but it's definitely not part of the orthodoxy of the General Conference 28 or the BRI. I guess there's always a new schism around the corner.
Oh, well then, this is where the error started.Comparing Genesis with Leviticus convinced me that the first day ends with the first half of a Sabbath in Israel from evening to evening in Leviticus with a morning in the middle that splits the two halves, the first 12 hour period of a Sabbath night in Israel ends the first day that began earlier with a 12-hour light period.
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