Is the Rapture shown in 1Thess 4 showing in Revelation? If so, where?

[Erik Nelson]

Not quite:

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Once the 6th has passed, the 7th will come quickly and no, that doesn't mean a long period of time. I believe a matter of minutes if even that long.

a day = 1000 years = a day

a given amount of time can mean anything within 5-6 orders of magnitude

the amount of time between the trumpets is non-zero, it's greater than zero... and any finite positive amount of time could mean hundreds of thousands of times more human earth time than you'd think

 

[iamlamad]

You really cannot add another time frame between verse 13 and the 7th trumpet. The two witnesses being raised from the dead in conjunction with that great earthquake within the same hour is pointing to Jesus' 2nd coming and "day of the Lord" events.

Rev 11:12-15
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV


Here is more about that "great earthquake" event for the last day of this world...

Rev 16:18-21
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV

You guys are missing something. Where is John, chronologically speaking, in 11:1-3? I submit he is very close to the exact midpoint of the week, that moment in time when the man of sin will enter the temple and declare that he is God of the Jews. In fact, I believe these three verses are just 3 1/2 days before the abomination event.

John introduces the two witnesses in verse 3, because that is when they will show up. The come because the man of sin comes to Jerusalem with his Gentile (think Muslim?) armies - who will trample the city.

The two witnesses show up because the man of sin showed up (in Jerusalem).
Once then are introduced in verse 3, John then reverts to a parenthesis from 4-13 and takes us on a rabbit trail or side journey down the last half of the week with the two witnesses only. But in verse 14, John comes right back to where he was in verse 3 - 3 1/2 days before the midpoint. Then, after those 3 1/2 days, the 7th trumpet sounds in heaven, marking the moment the man of sin does his abomination.

They begin their testimony 3 1/2 days before the midpoint, testify for 1260 days - which will take them to just 3 1/2 days to the 7th vial that ends the week. This earthquake is the very same earthquake that hits at the 7th vial.

All the first 6 trumpet judgements come in the first half of the week, which limits their time to months.

 

[Davy]

agree that Rev 11:13 = earthquake = Rev 16:18, certainly very logical to conclude so

Rev 11:14 introduces a "quick" amount of time between 6th - 7th trumpets

I wouldn't define "the same hour" as any other timing than the events to occur on the last day of this world when Jesus returns. It should be easy to know that the "caught up" event will happen at Jesus' coming, and immediately before all the kingdoms of this world become His.

2 Pet 3 says "quick" could be a day or a thousand years

Bad interpretation. Peter stated to God a day is like a thousand years. It's about how God sees time vs. how we see time. It certainly is not about some idea that it takes a thousand years for the very last day events to occur.

think we'd be wise to remember Lev 26

the 7-fold calamities of Revelation allude to Lev 26's 7-fold woes for unbelief

the point is to allude to Lev 26 and charge the recipients of Divine Wrath with unbelief

it does not necessarily mean there are no other "trumpets"

though again hard to be sure one way or another

There are no other trumpets given by Christ in His Revelation through Apostle John. Any suggestion that there is makes one a heretic.

 

[Davy]

You guys are missing something. Where is John, chronologically speaking, in 11:1-3? I submit he is very close to the exact midpoint of the week, that moment in time when the man of sin will enter the temple and declare that he is God of the Jews. In fact, I believe these three verses are just 3 1/2 days before the abomination event.

Revelation 13:4-5 tells us the "dragon" will reign for 42 months. Revelation 11:2 tells us the Gentiles will tread the "holy city" for 42 months. 42 months equals three and one half years. Revelation 11:3 tells us God's "two witnesses" prophesy for 1260 days, the same timing as the 42 months. Thus it is pointing to the LATTER half of Daniel's symbolic "one week", not the earlier half. The start of the 42 months is when the dragon begins his reign. That is also when the "two witnesses" BEGIN their prophesying. It's basically the timing of "great tribulation".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Great discussion going on. I didn't realize there would be so much division on this.

Is the Rapture showing in Revelation?

1. Yes
   
   8 vote(s) 47.1%
2. No
   6 vote(s) 35.3%
3. Maybe
   1 vote(s) 5.9%
4. I don't know
   1 vote(s) 5.9%
5. Doesn't matter
   0 vote(s) 0.0%
6. *
   other
   1 vote(s) 5.9%

 

[Erik Nelson]

Bad interpretation. Peter stated to God a day is like a thousand years. It's about how God sees time vs. how we see time. It certainly is not about some idea that it takes a thousand years for the very last day events to occur.

How do you know?

The 10 horn kings each reign for "one hour"... most pagan Roman emperors reigned for a decade or more...

by the 24 hours = 1 day = 1000 years equation, 1 Biblical hour = 40+ earth years

In the same Biblical hour could mean anytime within one or a few decades of earth time

Some amount of time elapses, and Biblical time is only very vaguely defined in terms of physical terrestrial earth time

 

[iamlamad]

I wouldn't define "the same hour" as any other timing than the events to occur on the last day of this world when Jesus returns. It should be easy to know that the "caught up" event will happen at Jesus' coming, and immediately before all the kingdoms of this world become His.

(Bold added for emphasis)
Sorry, but your timing is off. The kingdoms of the world become His at the 7th trumpet which marks the exact midpoint of the week.

Jesus will come FOR His bride just before the Day of the Lord and 70th week begin.
He will come WITH His saints after the 70th week has finished. All this is shown to us in Revelation.

 

[iamlamad]

How do you know?

The 10 horn kings each reign for "one hour"... most pagan Roman emperors reigned for a decade or more...

by the 24 hours = 1 day = 1000 years equation, 1 Biblical hour = 40+ earth years

In the same Biblical hour could mean anytime within one or a few decades of earth time

Some amount of time elapses, and Biblical time is only very vaguely defined in terms of physical terrestrial earth time

"Each" for one hour? Is that scriptural?

I think all then kings throw in with the Beast for "one hour" to finally destroy Israel once and for all time: the battle of Armageddon. One hour may mean a short period of time. The armies of the world do not begin to gather until the 6th vial which will be LATE in the week.

 

[iamlamad]

Revelation 13:4-5 tells us the "dragon" will reign for 42 months. Revelation 11:2 tells us the Gentiles will tread the "holy city" for 42 months. 42 months equals three and one half years. Revelation 11:3 tells us God's "two witnesses" prophesy for 1260 days, the same timing as the 42 months. Thus it is pointing to the LATTER half of Daniel's symbolic "one week", not the earlier half. The start of the 42 months is when the dragon begins his reign. That is also when the "two witnesses" BEGIN their prophesying. It's basically the timing of "great tribulation".

I can almost agree here: for sure every mention of the 3.5 years is for the last half of the week - without question. I would have said his 42 months begins at the midpoint - or very shortly after. Good job Davy.

 

[iamlamad]

Not quite:

Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

Once the 6th has passed, the 7th will come quickly and no, that doesn't mean a long period of time. I believe a matter of minutes if even that long.

It will take SOME amount of time to kill 1/3 of the planet's population (6th trumpet / 2nd woe) The third woe will not be only minutes after the second.

John shows us at least 3 1/2 days between 11:1-3 and the 7th trumpet that marks the midpoint.

 

[iamlamad]

agree that Rev 11:13 = earthquake = Rev 16:18, certainly very logical to conclude so

Rev 11:14 introduces a "quick" amount of time between 6th - 7th trumpets

2 Pet 3 says "quick" could be a day or a thousand years

think we'd be wise to remember Lev 26

the 7-fold calamities of Revelation allude to Lev 26's 7-fold woes for unbelief

the point is to allude to Lev 26 and charge the recipients of Divine Wrath with unbelief

it does not necessarily mean there are no other "trumpets"

though again hard to be sure one way or another

I don't read it that way. It is a statement that the 2nd woe has finished, but no hint as to how many days, weeks, or months before. The point is, from THAT POINT IN TIME the 7th trumpet will sound quickly - and John writes nothing between.

Congratulations on seeing that the earthquake when the two witnesses rise is the very same earthquake at the 7th vial. Few people understand that 11:4-11:13 is written as a parenthesis and does not fit in John's chronolgy. The BEGIN their testimony 3 1/2 days before the midpoint (7th trumpet) and end (are killed) 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. They lay dead those 3 1/2 years and are raised with all the Old Testament saints at the 7th vial that ends the week.

 

[iamlamad]

You really cannot add another time frame between verse 13 and the 7th trumpet. The two witnesses being raised from the dead in conjunction with that great earthquake within the same hour is pointing to Jesus' 2nd coming and "day of the Lord" events.

Rev 11:12-15
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV


Here is more about that "great earthquake" event for the last day of this world...

Rev 16:18-21
18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
KJV

Same earthquake! Good point. But it is the same BECAUSE 11:4-13 are written as a parenthesis with no chronology.

In verses 11:1-2 John is just before the midpoint. In verse 3 the two witnesses show up. I believe in 1-2 John is showing us that the MAN OF SIN with his gentile (Muslim?) armies just arrive in Jerusalem. He MUST arrive there because he will soon enter the temple there.

The two witnesses show up just 3 1/2 days before the midpoint, and they show up because the man of sin showed up. So I think the man of sin arrives 3 1/2 days before the midpoint. Just my thinking. But then, John takes us on a side journey down the last half of the week with the two witnesses: so their death APPEARS to be before the 7th trumpet, but in reality will be just before the 7th vial that ends the week. Verses 4-13 are written as a parenthesis. the 7th trumpet will mark the very moment the man of sin enters the temple and declares he is the God of the Jews.

 

[iamlamad]

Rev 11 does not say the 2 witnesses are raised in the same hour as the 7th trumpet... rather the 7th trumpet "comes quickly afterwards"...

some vague amount of time elapses between the two events

If we understand John's chronology, the two witnesses show up just 3 1/2 days before the 7th trumpet that marks the midpoint. They testify for 1260 days - which will take them to just 3 1/2 days before the end of the week, when they are killed.

 

[iamlamad]

There is no 'direct' language of the "caught up" event like 1 Thess.4 in Revelation. There is only timing references to it.

Jesus warning the Church in Rev.16:15 on the 6th Vial that He comes "as a thief" is a reference to it via the "day of the Lord" events which occur on the last day of this world.

The "great multitude" of Rev.7, which is a future-forward view after Christ's return, John is asked from whence came they. That is pointing to the "caught up" event and the resurrection events to occur on the last day of this world.

The Rev.11:12 event of God's two witnesses being raised from the dead the same hour of the 7th trumpet reveals the most detail in Revelation of the 1 Thess.4 events.

Rev.19:11 forward points to the timing of 1 Thess.4 with those armies from heaven upon white horses that follow Jesus from Heaven being the saints that Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He comes. That happens immediately prior to that great battle shown there in Rev.19 which is the same event of Armageddon in Rev.16 on the 7th Vial.

(The 7th Vial is poured out into the 'air', not on the earth. It symbolizes the 'change' 'at the twinkling of an eye' of those alive on earth, and the event of God's consuming fire burning man's works off the earth on that day. That is actually what the final battle in Rev.19 is, not a literal contact of armies type battle like during this present world. Rev.16 reveals hailstones weighing a "talent" (75-120 lbs.) will fall upon those armies at the battle of Armageddon. Christ will defeat those armies using natural events, not literal weapons of battle.)

that He comes "as a thief" is a reference to it via the "day of the Lord" events which occur on the last day of this world.
Sorry, but the Day of the Lord begins at the 6th seal just before the 70th week begins at the 7th seal. Just believe what John wrote! He was not mistaken, nor were those that saw the SIGNS of the Day.

The "great multitude" of Rev.7, which is a future-forward view after Christ's return
No, I disagree. This is not at all what John is doing in chapter 7. The rapture will have taken place at the 6th seal, and John saw the effects of the rapture: the CHURCH in heaven.

The Rev.11:12 event of God's two witnesses being raised from the dead the same hour of the 7th trumpet reveals the most detail in Revelation of the 1 Thess.4 events.
Sorry, but it only appears like they are raised just before the 7th trumpet. The truth is, they are raised just before the 7th VIAL that ends the week. It only appears so because people don't recognize that 11:4-13 are written as a parenthesis with no bearing on chronology. They SHOW UP suddenly just 3 1/2 days before the 7th trumpet midpoint, and then testify for 1260 days - which will take them to just 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. The two witnesses have nothing to do with the rapture of the church, which will happen before the week begins - at the 7th seal.

That happens immediately prior to that great battle shown there in Rev.19 which is the same event of Armageddon in Rev.16 on the 7th Vial.
Sorry, but Armageddon does not happen in chapter 16. Jesus does not return at the 7th vial that ends the week. The marriage must take place in heaven after the 7th vial. It may take 30 more days. Armegeddon takes place in chapter 19 right where John shows it.

 

[iamlamad]

I vote yes.

It's right here:

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.​

The "sackcloth sun" here is the same one as the "darkened" sun from Matthew 24. And the "stars" that fall are the same "stars" from Matthew 24. These are the "stars" of heaven. These are the "stars" from Joel 38:

...
At the 7th trumpet the dead in Christ rise and then in a split second, we who remain alive will join them in the air. Billions of resurrected saints from all of history light up the stratosphere. Some will shine like the brightness of heaven, others will shine like the stars forever and ever. Then a billion more holy angels are sent to gather them from the four corners of the heavens.

I agree that the rapture comes a moment before the 6th seal, but NOT because of Matthew 24. It is because that is exactly where 1 Thes. 5 places the rapture - just before the start of the DAY.

Sorry, but the signs for the start of the day - as seen at the 6th seal are NOT THE SAME signs as those shown in Matthew 24. They are TWO different signs: the moon is blood red for the sign of the coming Day of the Lord (6th seal) but the sky is TOTALLY DARK for the sign of His coming as shown in Matthew 24. TWO different signs for TWO DIFFERENT purposes - and they will come over 7 years apart.

 

[ewq1938]

Congratulations on seeing that the earthquake when the two witnesses rise is the very same earthquake at the 7th vial.

It's obviously not the same quake.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


This quake happens at the end of the 6th trump. The quake in the 7th vial happens within the 7th trump and is found here:


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

And is mentioned here as well:

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Notice the same things happening:

11:19 lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail

16:18 voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake
16:21 a great hail


Same timeframe and same earthquake but not the same earthquake in 11:13

So, there is a smaller 6th trump earthquake and there is a larger (greatest in human history) quake in the 7th trump specifically when the 7th vial is poured.

 

[iamlamad]

It's obviously not the same quake.

Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.


This quake happens at the end of the 6th trump. The quake in the 7th vial happens within the 7th trump and is found here:


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

And is mentioned here as well:

Rev 16:17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

Notice the same things happening:

11:19 lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail

16:18 voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake
16:21 a great hail


Same timeframe and same earthquake but not the same earthquake in 11:13

So, there is a smaller 6th trump earthquake and there is a larger (greatest in human history) quake in the 7th trump specifically when the 7th vial is poured.

It IS the same quake, but you just don't know it yet. You will when you see it happen.

What you are missing is that 11:4 through 11:13 are a parenthesis and have NO BEARING on John's Chronology.

the two witnesses SHOW UP just before the midpoint and must testify for 1260 days - which will take them to just before the 7th vial.

the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
Sorry, but God is not going to have a hail storm in His temple! It is a vision prophecy or a prophecy vision of hail and earthquake: a prophecy of what WILL happen at the 7th vial.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I agree that the rapture comes a moment before the 6th seal, but NOT because of Matthew 24. It is because that is exactly where 1 Thes. 5 places the rapture - just before the start of the DAY.

That's good. It's fun to agree. The only problem is, you think the 6th seal is before the tribulation begins, i think the 6th seal is "immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days. How can anyone think the 6th seal is the start of the tribulation? The main part of the tribulation is the sudden destruction of the 4th seal becoming the catalyst for the martyrdom of the 5th seal. How are we going to go through all the mark of the beast and all the beheading, and then you think the 6th seal is the rapture???

Sorry, but the signs for the start of the day - as seen at the 6th seal are NOT THE SAME signs as those shown in Matthew 24. They are TWO different signs: the moon is blood red for the sign of the coming Day of the Lord (6th seal) but the sky is TOTALLY DARK for the sign of His coming as shown in Matthew 24.

I'm sorry too. They are not two different signs. The "sackcloth" sun is the same as the "darkened" sun from Matthew 24. Neither of these two suns are turned into darkness like the one from Joel 2:31. Joel's sun IS TOTALLY DARK, a total eclipse, the 6th seal sun and Matthew's sun is merely "darkened', a partial eclipse.

The word from Matthew is "darkened". It's just darkened, it's NOT turned into dark-ness like the one from Joel. And Joel's is "before", Matthew's is "immediately AFTER". The other thing is, "as black as sackcloth", is not that black. Sackcloth is a coarsely woven material. If you throw a sackcloth bag over the sun, light still shines through. The sun is only "darkened". It's like if i put my black T-shirt over the end of a flashlight, light still shines through, It's just "darkened" like Matthew 24. But if i put my hand over the end of the flashlight, the light is totally blocked out, it's turned into darkness like Joel 2:31.

Black sackcloth:

TWO different signs for TWO DIFFERENT purposes - and they will come over 7 years apart.

That sounds like a bad read on Daniel 9. Or else you're trying to glue too many 3.5 year prophetic time periods together.

The best news that i think i can think of is that i think it's going to hit hard and be over fast. "Behold I come quickly. He means FAST. Ride like lightning from the sky. East to the west. I don't think there's going to be any 7 year tribulation, or any 3.5 year tribulation. We're already half way through Revelation 13. And when it ends, it goes right into the vials. We watch them from the air. We will be in the air with Jesus when He turns to us and says:

(“Behold, I am coming like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake, keeping his garments on, that he may not go about naked and be seen exposed!”).​

That means He's about to do a sharp sword deal on the great wine press people.

We're right here, this is a heads up:

"If anyone has an ear, let him hear:

"If anyone is to be taken captive,
to captivity he goes;
if anyone is to be slain with the sword,
with the sword must he be slain.

"Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.

Whatever is going to happen just go with the flow of it. 5 or 6 months of that jazz and we're checking out New Jerusalem.

In the sky Lord, in the sky.

 

[ewq1938]

It IS the same quake, but you just don't know it yet.

I already have proven it's not the same quake.

 

[ewq1938]

I'm sorry too. They are not two different signs. The "sackcloth" sun is the same as the "darkened" sun from Matthew 24. Neither of these two suns are turned into darkness like the one from Joel 2:31. Joel's sun IS TOTALLY DARK, a total eclipse, the 6th seal sun and Matthew's sun is merely "darkened', a partial eclipse.


The word from Matthew is "darkened". It's just darkened, it's NOT turned into dark-ness like the one from Joel. And Joel's is "before", Matthew's is "immediately AFTER". The other thing is, "as black as sackcloth", is not that black. Sackcloth is a coarsely woven material. If you throw a sackcloth bag over the sun, light still shines through. The sun is only "darkened". It's like if i put my black T-shirt over the end of a flashlight, light still shines through, It's just "darkened" like Matthew 24. But if i put my hand over the end of the flashlight, the light is totally blocked out, it's turned into darkness like Joel 2:31.

No, it's complete darkness.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

Here the sun is black as sackcloth, not a black sackcloth being put over the sun. It's the color black that the sun will turn into and believe it or not, the moon won't be red but dark/black like blood turns into after it spills from a wound. Black sun means a black moon, no light at all.

All the accounts of this day shows no light from the sun, moon or stars.