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I have understood that the Rapture is the resurrection of Christ's bride church
Not quite. The resurrection is when the dead in Christ come back to bodily immortal life. That's first, then immediately afterward the living in Christ are changed to immortals, then they and only they are raptured which means to be lifted up, they are brought to the clouds of the Earth to meet with Christ during his second coming descent.
I agree, my friend. I struggled with this for a long time, but feel posttrib is what Jesus preach, however, I judge not my fellow Christians, lest I be judged. All I can do is present this evidence, and let the Holy Spirit take over.
I agree, my friend. I struggled with this for a long time, but feel posttrib is what Jesus preach, however, I judge not my fellow Christians, lest I be judged. All I can do is present this evidence, and let the Holy Spirit take over.
I disagree.....If Pre-Tribers (as you say) are right, the Post-tribers will have to go through Daniel's 70th week and that my friend is going to be horrible according to Revelation.There are enough scriptures that it should be seriously considered. A Post-Tribber doesn't lose anything, if the Pre-Tribbers are right. Pre-Tribbers won't be prepared, if the Post-Tribbers are right.
As Keith Green used to say,
"Pray for Pre-; prepare for Post-."
The "Great Tribulation" that Jesus spoke, has not happened yet especially in 70 ad.The great tribulation happened in 70 AD to the Jews in the destruction of Jerusalem. It will be as in the days of Noah with Christian tribulation, like today, when Jesus returns. Proof available if called for.
If Pre-Tribbers are right, the faithful Post-Tribbers will be caught up, too. These are educated guesses. It isn't like we are stuck with our conclusions, if we are wrong.If Pre-Tribers (as you say) are right, the Post-tribers will have to go through Daniel's 70th week and that my friend is going to be horrible according to Revelation.
There are enough scriptures that it should be seriously considered. A Post-Tribber doesn't lose anything, if the Pre-Tribbers are right. Pre-Tribbers won't be prepared, if the Post-Tribbers are right.
As Keith Green used to say,
"Pray for Pre-; prepare for Post-."
Could you do me a favor and define posttribber? I am an amil. Happy to discuss as time permits.I am posttrib, but open to hearing other views. I promise to be gentle. I want to also link you to some Scripture.
Mark 13: Bible Gateway passage: Mark 13 - King James Version
Mattew 24: Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 24 - King James Version
2 Thessalonians 2: Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 2 - King James Version
All I ask is that you review this evidence, and tell me what you think. If you disagree and have differing evidence, I promise to review it. Please remember that eschatology, is not soteriology. Thank you.
That is not a foregone conclusion....would have to be resurrected, along with those living, to face the trib.
Correction: If what people like to believe conflicts with what the Bible actually says, or cannot be found there; then it is just a fable, as Paul says in 2 Timothy 4:3-4.If it conflicts with the teaching of His one Church, it is false.
The One church Jesus spoke of though is an invisible church...He is speaking of all true believers, the compilation of which is known only to God who alone knows the hearts and minds of all mankind. Unity was always taught within the church due to Christ's teachings, but the Apostle Paul and Barnabas did part company after a hot dispute and in the end it served God's purpose of furthering the Gospel message...later they reunited.Jesus Christ gave us just one way to know if a particular belief is true. Does it agree with the teaching of the one Church He founded, which He said was to remain one, to which He promised "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". If it conflicts with the teaching of His one Church, it is false.
That is not a foregone conclusion.
Ok I am a futurist and tend towards pretrib and I have always thought that the application is to be ready to meet the LORD at anytime and to be about His business. So as a post tribber what other preparations have you made? Do you have a bug out plan a safe house with 7 years of food in it? How close do you think we are to the onset of the 70th week? I think we are close and can see the specifics of the middle of the week starting to line up. Anyways let me know what distinct differences there are in your world verse mine based on this difference in eschatology. Any others can chime in too.There are enough scriptures that it should be seriously considered. A Post-Tribber doesn't lose anything, if the Pre-Tribbers are right. Pre-Tribbers won't be prepared, if the Post-Tribbers are right.
As Keith Green used to say,
"Pray for Pre-; prepare for Post-."
Not at all. I thought that you said that...Are u saying you believe the entire body of Christ, even those who are dead, will be resurrected just to face the tribulation, for the sake of "testing their faith"?
I was disputing such a notion.If post trib is a necessity for the church, then every Christian who has died since Christ would have to be resurrected, along with those living, to face the trib.
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