In the Roman empire everyone apart from the state of Israel, worked everyday. Only in Israel could a person practice a rest on the seventh day, because only in Israel was it state law.Gentiles never had a Sabbath day in a seven day week, they didn't have a seven day week in Jesus time and they never had a weekly Sabbath day of rest of any kind so they could not substitute Sunday for the Sabbath, only Jews could do that because only Jews had a weekly Sabbath.
No. You are blind. Re-read the text. It’s talking about the law of Moses which is the 10 commandments.
It isn't eternal, a daily cycle of 24 hour days isn't eternal. But carry onGod's eternal law (10 Commandments)
No it isn't. There is no such thing as Lord's day. Nowhere in the bible does it say "The Lord's day is Sunday". EVERYDAY is a Lord's day. True believers live out his will every single day, and don't do anything more special on Sunday (or Saturday for that matter).While I agree with most of this it isn’t entirely correct. Sunday is indeed the Lord’s Day.
It isn't eternal, a daily cycle of 24 hour days isn't eternal. But carry on
No it isn't. There is no such thing as Lord's day. Nowhere in the bible does it say "The Lord's day is Sunday". EVERYDAY is a Lord's day. True believers live out his will every single day, and don't do anything more special on Sunday (or Saturday for that matter).
If Sabbath means one in seven and the seventh then why does it actually mean "rest"?Not quite sure what you mean brother. Sabbath means from one interval to the next in this context the SEVENTH DAY.
Why would you think I have refused to discuss anying? I have provided scripture for all my posts. What have you provided in support of yours? Please feel free to address my posts and show me why it is you disagree with the scriptures provided. If you cannot why do you not agree with God's WORD?
Kenny the scripture says all have sinned (past tense). It is not saying we are free to continue in known sin. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin do not know God and this is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-9. Those who continue in known unrepentant sin will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27. Jesus came to save us from sin not in sin *JOHN 8:31-36.
I did. You left it out of the post you were responding to.
Hope that is enough scripture for you brother.
This is the origin of the Sabbath brother from GENESIS 2:1-3 which is the root word of where SABBATH comes from.If Sabbath means one in seven and the seventh then why does it actually mean "rest"?
I can’t take this guy seriously. He repeats the same tripe never endlessly and has no knowledge of church history.
Why? because you did. I don't care if you provided scripture for all your posts, that has nothing to do with what I asked of you, again...why do you keep saying you provided scripture when that had nothing to do with what I was taking about.
You seem to think because you can repeat scripture and pretend it says something it does not, that supports your claim. Again, you never would cite how you draw the Mark of the beast conclusion, step by step. You have not an you will not, because you know you cannot back up the claim, and once we get into the details, it will fall apart. Yet time and time again, all you say when I tell you what you refused to do, is change the subject and say you have quoted scripture...unbelievable, as well as bizzare.
All have sinned and we will continue to sin to some degree, as we have the sin nature. Sins are forgivable as long as we are repentant and don't live in sin, but to say we no longer sin, in the present, is simply not the truth.
Then tell me what that post was, that's all I ask, but instead of doing the logical thing in response to my question, you say I left it out, but don't say what it was. Evading.
No, not nearly enough. In all that writing you do as you always do, and post a bunch of scripture and tell yuds to go read it, but never once do you show exacly where the scripture backs your claims. you are basically telling us to read the scripture and get the same from it as you do, when we cannot see what you do, because it isn't there.
Once again, show me where the Bibles says clearly/point blank Gentiles are grafted to Israelite? You can post scripture till the cows come home but if you cannot show us where that scripture says what you say it does, it does no good at all.
Seems to me, someone has told you these scriptures mean what they do not, you bought it hook line and sinker, an without question, and then they sent you out with no armor, or way to back these things up, only to embarrass yourself or at the least, not be effective...what a mean thing to do to a brother.
That or you missed the class...SDA 101.
SAYING "I QUOTED SCRIPTURE" DOES NOTHING UNLESS YOU CAN SHOW PRECISELY HOW THAT SCRIPTURE SAYS WHAT YOU SAY IT DOES. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?
Geez
For those who know what I mean, I'm beginning to thing something is just not "right" here.
This is simply not correct.Goodness brother. They are part of the same Church they are not different to each other. The only difference is that it became officially accepted by Pagan ROME in 380 AD. According to tradition, the history of the Catholic Church begins with Jesus Christ and his teachings (c. 4 BC – c. AD 30) (Wiki History of the Roman Catholic Church)
Kenny don't pretend your question was not answered brother. I highlighted v26 was talking about ISRAEL.
A Jew might be interested in a question related to the law. A Gentile is not under the law, so a Gentile never had a Sabbath to abolish. That is probably why you won't find the abolition of the Sabbath in the scripture.Indeed. Where are the scriptures that teach God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY and where is the scriptures that says that the "LORDS DAY" is Sunday?
Indeed. Where are the scriptures that teach God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED
and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY and where is the scriptures that says that the "LORDS DAY" is Sunday?
It seems a little bit irrelevant to be saying that Genesis 2:1-3 significant but carry on ...This is the origin of the Sabbath brother from GENESIS 2:1-3 which is the root word of where SABBATH comes from.
if you study the scriptures with some detail
None of the scriptures you have provided here in your post says that God's 4th commandment is notw Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day now do they?
Sabbath never refers to Sunday. The context of Acts 20:7 supports this. If as you claim that this verse references the first day of the week meaning Sunday, then Sunday this morning gathering to break bread ends up being a marathon service. Paul preached until midnight so can you imagine how long they met if the church gathered to meet on Sunday as you claim. Instead the context makes more sense if the church met on Saturday evening sabbath as was their usual custom.Matthew 28:1 establishes its use as Sunday by detailing After the Sabbath (Opse de sabbaton) at dawn (te epiphoskouse) on the first day of the week (eis mian sabbaton) This use is undeniable that "eis mian sabbaton" is Sunday and it shows us how "one sabbath" is used. the first day of the week is "one sabbath" the second day is "two sabbath" and so on. This was the Hebrew method of counting days in the first century.
this is actually a good point because it shows how important the Sabbath was to Jews as the entire days of the week was used to indicate where the sabbath is. You wouldn't say "on the seventh day of the week" or "seven sabbath" as it is the culmination of the week that every day points to and it is just called Sabbath.
John, a Jewish born believer, I don't think would dare rename the Sabbath and he would still have great respect towards it and continue to call it the Sabbath. But as numbering your days of the week towards the Sabbath shows strong value to the Sabbath early Christians may have started to also name the day of the week that was most important to them as "The Lord's Day"; a day that now stands on it's own and no longer is counted by how close it is to the Sabbath. This is strong significance by going away from the Sabbath system and declaring a new system simply by using a new name for a day of the week. John was not walking on the first day of the sabbaths, he was walking on a new day, the Lord's day.
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