Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

Could the Great City in Revelation be symbolizing the Lake of Fire?

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iamlamad

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Guess I should make a thread on it........

A Preterist view.......

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!

Matthew 24:
6 “And you will hear of battles and rumors of battles. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
8 “All these are the beginning of sorrows.”


While Jerusalem was a prey to these ferocious and devouring factions, every part of Judea was scourged and laid waste by bands of robbers and murderers, who plundered the towns; and, in case of resistance, slew the inhabitants, not sparing either women or children.
Simon, son of Gioras, the commander of one of these bands, at the head of forty thousand banditti, having with some difficulty entered Jerusalem, gave birth to a third faction, and the flame of civil discord blazed out again, with still more destructive fury.

The three factions, rendered frantic by drunkenness, rage, and desperation, trampling on heaps of slain, fought against each other with brutal savageness and madness. Even such as brou't sacrifices to the temple were murdered. The dead bodies of priests and worshippers, both natives and foreigners were heaped together, and a lake of blood stagnated in the sacred courts. John of Gischala, who headed one of the factions, burnt storehouses full of provisions ; and Simon, his great antagonist, who headed another of them, soon afterwards followed his example. Thus they cut the very sinews of their own strength.

At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman an army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, "
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Revelation 16: A Preterist Commentary - Revelation Revolution

Revelation 16:19 Preterist Commentary: There was a Three-Way Civil War in both Rome and Jerusalem in A.D. 69 before the Roman Army Arrived at Jerusalem.
Revelation 16:19 says that Babylon split into three parts. In A.D. 69, Jewish refugees from the surrounding cities that had been destroyed during Vespasian’s campaign fled to Jerusalem to make their last stand. Shortly after the thunderstorm mentioned above a three-way civil war erupted. The Jewish rebels were split into three factions led by three aspiring Messiahs—John, Simon and Eleazar.43 Eleazar and his men were stationed in the inner court of the temple.44 Simon the son of Gioras controlled the upper city and much of the lower. John controlled the rest of Jerusalem. From here John and his men were attacked above and below by their two enemies.45

It is also worth noting that with the exception of the walls surrounding the Temple complex, first century Jerusalem, outside of the Temple fortress, was literally divided into three parts by fortified walls just prior to the Jewish War. These walls were built to progressively encapsulate a city that continually grew over the centuries.

While Jerusalem was torn in three parts by civil war, the rest of Rome suffered the same fate. In A.D. 69, Rome underwent a similar three-way civil war in which Galba, Otho and Vitellius pitted the Roman legions against each other. When one Caesar seized the throne, his rule was contested by a rival aristocrat who also declared himself Caesar.

During that year, Rome was ruled by four Caesars leaving three Caesars dead. Like a wildfire, civil war spread throughout Rome destroying many cities and threatening to collapse the empire. Hence, the cities of the nations also collapsed, as indicated in v. 19. The fact that the cities of the nations are said to collapse in v. 19 may also refer to all the cities of Judaea which fell to the Romans during the Jewish War prior to the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The fall of some of these cities were mentioned specifically by the previous plagues.
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I guess preterists must have very vivid imaginations! When has there EVER been a world wide earthquake: much less one that shakes all mountains down into the earth?
 
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I don't know what bible you use, be the CITIES/STATES/Nations were DEFEATED at Armageddon, they didn't collapse per se. All these odd bibles people pull out.............

Rev. 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts {EARTHQUAKE, Jesus lands on Mt. Zion, Jesus defeats the NATIONS/City States as they were known then}, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

The Cities falling is Jesus defeating the Nations/City States that come against him at Armageddon. And here we see that God calls them Babylon the Great.......So who are these States/Cities/Nations that are defeated at Armageddon ? Well Vial #6 tells us who they are......we know its the E.U. and the Beast, they are of the Beast, but the three Demon Frogs gather who to Armageddon ?

Rev. 16:12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

So the kings of the WHOLE EARTH is whom God defeats at Armageddon, and he calls them BABYLON THE GREAT !! Why do we not know whom he defeats at Armageddon ? We do, but people overlook these facts because people have tunnel vision.
The Cities falling is Jesus defeating the Nations/City States that come against him at Armageddon. This is MYTH. Why not just believe as is written: this is a great earthquake so strong the mountains disappear: REAL mountains, not nations symbolized as mountains.

Anyway, Jesus does NOT return at the 7th vial. That theory too is myth. His return will be after the events of chapters 17 & 18 and then after the marriage and supper.
Can we just follow the text as written?
 
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I guess preterists must have very vivid imaginations! When has there EVER been a world wide earthquake: much less one that shakes all mountains down into the earth?
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First of all, the phrase "lake of fire" is used in only 5 verses of the entire Bible, and those in 3 chapters of Revelation.

"lake of fire" occurs 4 times in 4 verses

Revelation 19:20
and is arrested<4084> Beast<2342>, and with it the False-Prophet<5578>, the one-doing the signs in view of it, in which he deceives<4105> the ones getting the mark of the beast, and the ones worshiping to the image of it.
Living were cast, the two, into the Lake of the Fire the one burning<2545> in sulfur <2303>

Revelation 20:
10 And the Devil, the one-deceiving<4105> them, was cast into the Lake of the Fire and of sulfur<2303>, the where-are the beast and the false-prophet,
and they shall be being tormented<928> day and night into the ages of the ages.
14 And the Death and the Hades<86> were cast into the Lake of the Fire.
This the Death, the second-one, is being the Lake of the Fire .
15 And if anyone not was found in the Book of the Life having been written
, he was cast into the Lake of the Fire.

Revelation 21:8
To the yet fearful and faithless and ones being abominated and murderers, and paramours<4205>, and enchanters<5333>, and idolaters<1496>, and to-all falsifiers<5571>,
the part of them in the Lake, the one burning<2545> Fire<4442> and sulphur<2306>, which is being the Death, the second-one.

Here is a little info gathered off the net:

Lake of fire - Wikipedia

Posts I have posted:

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The lake of fire is the destruction of the earth (everything on/in it)... and happens after the final judgement.

Isaiah 24
 
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The lake of fire is the destruction of the earth and everything in it ... and happens after the final judgement.

Isaiah 24
Futurist nonsense.......The Earth abides forever.....

JPS Tanakh 1917
Eccle 1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh; And the earth abideth for ever.

Psalm 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations, never to be moved.
Psalm 119:90
Your faithfulness continues through all generations; You established the earth, and it endures.
Psalm 125:1
Those who trust in the LORD are like Mount Zion. It cannot be moved; it abides forever.
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I will be glad to discuss that on this other thread:

Olivet Discourse and Revelation...Worldwide Global or Regional


There is a similar thread here, but I decided to create a new thread and adding a Poll
The tribulation will be world wide
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Question.............
Do the events described in Daniel, the Olivet Disourse and Revelation concern the entire Global world or a certain Region in the world.

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com

Matthew 24:
6 “And you will hear of battles and rumors of battles. See that you are not troubled;
for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places.
8 “All these are the beginning of sorrows.”
Mark 13:
7 “But when you hear of battles and rumors of battles, do not be troubled;
for such things must happen, but the end is not yet.
8 “For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles.
These are the beginnings of sorrows.”
Luke 21:
9 “But when you hear of battles and commotions/tumults, do not be terrified;
for these things must come to pass first, but the end is not immediate.”
10 Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.
11 “And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences;
and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.”
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Luke 21:31 Thus also ye whenever ye may be seeing These-things becoming ye are knowing that nigh/egguV <1451> is the Kingdom of the God.

James 5:8
be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,
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Revelation 1:1

An unveiling of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him, which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
That the Time is nigh<1451>.
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:15 Abomination desolation....desolating of Jerusalem.
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matt 24:16 those in Judea flee
The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


Hallelujah and Its Hebrew Meaning - Israel Study Center
“Hallelu” (הללו) and “Yah” (יה).


Revelation 19:
1 After these I hear as a great sound of a vast throng in the heaven, saying,
"HalleluYah! the salvation and the glory and the honor, and the power of our God;
2 That true and righteous His judgings, that He judges the great harlot who corrupts the earth in Her whoredom, and avenges<1556> the blood of His bond-servants out of Her hand".
3 And a second time they have declared<4483> "HalleluYah! and the smoke of Her is ascending into the ages of the ages!"
4 And fall the twenty four Elders and the four living-ones,
and they worship to the GOD the One sitting upon the Throne, saying, "Amen! HalleluYah!"
5 And a Voice came out from the Throne saying: "Be ye praising to the GOD of us, all ye bond-servants of Him, and those fearing Him, the small and the great".
6 And I hear as sound of a throng, much, and as a sound of waters, many, and as sound of thunders, strong saying: "HalleluYah! that reigns Lord the God *of-us, the Almighty".
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

Our Lord now retired to the Mount of Olives, to which place the disciples followed him, in order to make more particular inquiries relative to the time when the calamitous events, foretold by him, would come to pass.

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Matt 24 and Revelation global or regional
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    Both. It is regional but affects the wolrd
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