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It seems the quest for achieving 'Eternal Joy' is more important than those we care for in this life(?)If I were a believer and all you say is true, then that would mean the rest of my family and loved ones who are unrepentant sinners will burn in hell and I will have that knowledge for eternity.
How the bloody hell can you not be sad and have eternal bliss when you know that you are alone in heaven and everyone you have ever loved is suffering and being tortured at the same time?
If you can look me in the eye and tell me that that would not bother you then you are a monster.
You don't get it - negative emotions will not be allowed. Free will? No, God says that's how it will be.....If I were a believer and all you say is true, then that would mean the rest of my family and loved ones who are unrepentant sinners will burn in hell and I will have that knowledge for eternity.
How the bloody hell can you not be sad and have eternal bliss when you know that you are alone in heaven and everyone you have ever loved is suffering and being tortured at the same time?
If you can look me in the eye and tell me that that would not bother you then you are a monster.
I believe that God does not send us were we do not want to go. If we do not end up with God for eternity it will be because we made a decision that we did not want to be with God. I am not convinced that hell is eternal suffering in fire, our punishment may well be knowing that we could have done much better for ourselves if we had accepted Jesus as our savior. So if we end up in the company of God or in the company of sinners the decision about our eternity is up to us.If I were a believer and all you say is true, then that would mean the rest of my family and loved ones who are unrepentant sinners will burn in hell and I will have that knowledge for eternity.
How the bloody hell can you not be sad and have eternal bliss when you know that you are alone in heaven and everyone you have ever loved is suffering and being tortured at the same time?
If you can look me in the eye and tell me that that would not bother you then you are a monster.
Right -- and I'm Genghis Khan.Sure. Polygamy was, as you well know, perfectly acceptable in OT.
Right -- and I'm Genghis Khan.Lots of failed prophesies in the bible ...
Why do you think raping and killing is wrong? It makes perfect sense in a world where survival of the fittest is ultimately the only rule. Sin IS the discussion of right and wrong. We just say that there is a Creator who guides us to what is right and wrong. You have no basis for such a standard in a world created by blind chance. I never said I only do certain things because of a belief in God. I also have a conscience. But look at what we've seen over the last year: people acting like wild beasts in the street, often with very little consequence. No one who is paying attention and was appalled at such behavior can say sin isn't real. Well, they can say it, but they know inside that they are lying. Saying you don't need a Being telling you how to behave tells me you can move the goalposts of what is right and wrong behavior whenever you want. Many do just that.I suggest you learn the meanings of words before you start pontificating. My definition is 100% correct.
2 points here:
1. Nobody was talking about right and wrong. The subject being mentioned was sin.
2. Implying that you only do what's right because God tells you to paints you in an extremely poor light. I don't need another being to tell me how to behave. But I'm very glad you believe such a being exists if that's what stops you going round raping and killing.
How do you know there isn't a standard? It sounds to me that you're just unhappy because you don't get to decide what it is.Lol, what is moral behavior? Without some standard, it's totally subjective.
Oh, don't worry--they'll tell you, and sometimes even fight you over it.Well, then it can be anything at any given time and how is one supposed to know what the majority believe?
Well if it is true then everything that Joseph Smith revealed as prophesy would have happened and that is not the case.
Why do you think raping and killing is wrong? It makes perfect sense in a world where survival of the fittest is ultimately the only rule. Sin IS the discussion of right and wrong. We just say that there is a Creator who guides us to what is right and wrong. You have no basis for such a standard in a world created by blind chance. I never said I only do certain things because of a belief in God. I also have a conscience. But look at what we've seen over the last year: people acting like wild beasts in the street, often with very little consequence. No one who is paying attention and was appalled at such behavior can say sin isn't real. Well, they can say it, but they know inside that they are lying. Saying you don't need a Being telling you how to behave tells me you can move the goalposts of what is right and wrong behavior whenever you want. Many do just that.
Is is honest to ask for evidence and then fail to examine it? Refute the evidence if you can but to say that there is no evidence in the link I provided you is simply not true.
Why should there be any standard of right or wrong if there's no ultimate authority?
The main reason is the golden rule.Why do you think raping and killing is wrong?
Survival of the fittest doe not equal survival of the ruthless.It makes perfect sense in a world where survival of the fittest is ultimately the only rule.
Sin is an offense against GodSin IS the discussion of right and wrong.
Humans learned from the time they were hunters and gathers that when there is cooperation there is more food for everyone.We just say that there is a Creator who guides us to what is right and wrong. You have no basis for such a standard in a world created by blind chance.
Exactly.Oh, don't worry--they'll tell you, and sometimes even fight you over it.
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