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Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

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That's what theology is by definition... the study of God.
Theology is the study of the "beliefs" about God. The study of the "mystery" is when it becomes about God.
 
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I do preach love. But love in itself isn't the gospel. The love of God is an important component of the gospel.
It's all about Love. Period!
What the gospel has become are rules, laws and order.
 
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That's John saying that, right?
Yup ... under inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
 
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Yup ... under inspiration of the Holy Ghost.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.
So these guys also believed God's word meant 'truth' .. and anyone who believed in God, also heard that same meaning whenever they spoke(?)

If so, notice the importance of the belief process here. 'Truth' has been assigned by a mind capable of believing. So that says more about the human side of these Thessalonians than about the 'Holy Ghost' (which, AIUI, ain't human .. like its a 'ghost', yes?)

Does God believe things too? (If so, does he test out these beliefs to see if they're real before he 'speaketh' them?)
 
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By definition, sin is a transgression against divine law. If you don't believe in God, you don't believe in sin.

Get the basics right.
Nonsense. If there's no God, there's no ultimate authority to say anything is wrong. There's just different flavors of preference. Perhaps I prefer rape and murder and you prefer golf. Whose to say I'm wrong and you are right?
 
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It's all about Love. Period!
What the gospel has become are rules, laws and order.
The gospel is salvation from sin. It happened because of love. But just singing: " What the world needs now is love." is insufficient. People need saving from their sinful selves.
 
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Nonsense. If there's no God, there's no ultimate authority to say anything is wrong. There's just different flavors of preference. Perhaps I prefer rape and murder and you prefer golf. Whose to say I'm wrong and you are right?
It's not something you get to decide all by yourself, even if there was no God.
 
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It's not something you get to decide all by yourself, even if there was no God.
Why not? Many leaders have done just that. And been successful. Look at Rome. Violent death was fine as long as a person was your enemy. In a world created by mere chance it makes perfect sense. The strongest and meanest rules.
Only in a world with a higher Being to set the rules does survival of the fittest seem wrong.
 
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Why not? Many leaders have done just that. And been successful. Look at Rome. Violent death was fine as long as a person was your enemy. In a world created by mere chance it makes perfect sense. The strongest and meanest rules.
It's not moral behavior, even if it makes sense to you.
Only in a world with a higher Being to set the rules does survival of the fittest seem wrong.
Rules? I thought we were talking about morality. Obeying the arbitrary dictates of an omnipotent being who promises to punish the least infraction with eternal torment is not moral behavior, it is merely expedience.

But never mind that, you seem to be trying to turn this discussion about creationism and evolution into a theism/atheism debate, which is off topic.
 
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Nonsense.
I suggest you learn the meanings of words before you start pontificating. My definition is 100% correct.
If there's no God, there's no ultimate authority to say anything is wrong. There's just different flavors of preference. Perhaps I prefer rape and murder and you prefer golf. Whose to say I'm wrong and you are right?
2 points here:
1. Nobody was talking about right and wrong. The subject being mentioned was sin.
2. Implying that you only do what's right because God tells you to paints you in an extremely poor light. I don't need another being to tell me how to behave. But I'm very glad you believe such a being exists if that's what stops you going round raping and killing.
 
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Only in a world with a higher Being to set the rules does survival of the fittest seem wrong.
I'd like to think that Love is the thing that make survival of the fittest seem wrong. It's more universal in its expression, and no need to argue "my god is best".
 
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I'd like to think that Love is the thing that make survival of the fittest seem wrong. It's more universal in its expression, and no need to argue "my god is best".
Is polygamy okay?
 
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