Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

Frank Robert · Mar 20, 2021

AV1611VET said:
QV please: Post 12

Thanks for laughably bad and exaggerated caricature, it reminds me of the lady who protests too much.

The scientific method is not a list or a caricature, it is a process for experimentation that is used to explore observations and answer questions.
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renniks · Mar 20, 2021

dlamberth said:
When a close one dies, for me the sadness I experience comes from Heart experience. I see that as a perfection of what it means to be a more human, Human Being. Feeling sadness when someone dies shows that we are not dead to empathy, compassion and inner feeling and being a Human Being.

Well, in heaven there will be no death, and no reason to be sad.

dlamberth · Mar 20, 2021

renniks said:
Well, in heaven there will be no death, and no reason to be sad.

The thing is, we are living right now, in this world, at this moment. It's now that God should be a reality in a persons life. It's now that we can and should live in the glory. To wait until some after death belief is, well...sad.

renniks · Mar 20, 2021

dlamberth said:
The thing is, we are living right now, in this world, at this moment. It's now that God should be a reality in a persons life. It's now that we can and should live in the glory. To wait until some after death is, well...sad.

What we do in life echoes in eternity!
(One of my favorite lines from "gladiator")

Speedwell · Mar 20, 2021

dlamberth · Mar 20, 2021

renniks said:
What we do in life echoes in eternity!
(One of my favorite lines from "gladiator")

That's true. It's why Love, Compassion, Empathy and helping those in need are so important for us. Those are all things of the Soul, which is tied to the eternal.

Speedwell · Mar 20, 2021

Speedwell · Mar 20, 2021

disciple Clint said:
If answering your question is changing the subject, perhaps you asked the wrong question.
There are 134 pages of evidence on the site The 7 Essential Modules - Credible Catholic
Module 4
Proof of Jesus’ Resurrection and Divinity

Here is the post I was responding to:

disciple Clint said:
Did you? Where is your evidence that there is no empirical evidence for God? There is historical data that the Gospel is accurate. There is also empirical evidence that confirms intelligent design and that the universe had a beginning. Since it had a beginning it therefore had a cause and that cause had to be uncaused at some point in regression.

(emphasis added)

There is no information supporting the accuracy of the Gospels or that confirms Intelligent Design in your link. In fact, I would be astonished if Fr. Spitzer had provided any evidence of ID, since the Catholic Church has rejected it.

Neither the existence of God nor the resurrection and divinity of Jesus are at issue in this forum.

Bungle_Bear · Mar 20, 2021

dlamberth said:
When a close one dies, for me the sadness I experience comes from Heart experience. I see that as a perfection of what it means to be a more human, Human Being. Feeling sadness when someone dies shows that we are not dead to empathy, compassion and inner feeling and being a Human Being.

You're not listening.

Goodbye.

dlamberth · Mar 20, 2021

Bungle_Bear said:
You're not listening.

Goodbye.

Do you have the right person here in your reply?
I've not ever communicated with you as far as I can remember, though there is the possibility somewhere maybe.

What caused me to respond to renniks post is the idea of imperfection and brokenness associated with sadness as it pertains to the death of someone. I have the hardest time understanding that kind of thought think. So I added my own thoughts.

SelfSim · Mar 20, 2021

dlamberth said:
When a close one dies, for me the sadness I experience comes from Heart experience. I see that as a perfection of what it means to be a more human, Human Being. Feeling sadness when someone dies shows that we are not dead to empathy, compassion and inner feeling and being a Human Being.

I'll have a go then .. I think BB's (and my) point here is that with Eternal Joy', there can only be one emotional state (described as 'Joy'). Other emotional states wouldn't be possible under the definition of 'Eternal Joy'.

Also, I think sadness is very closely associated with the intense sense of personal loss. If altruism was present, I don't think that sense of personal loss would be present. Once again all I see here, is an apparent selfishness (or self-centered-ness) motivation(?)

Also, I'm not sure what 'a perfection' of a more human, Human Being' means from your associating it with sadness ... (although I do get that's what it somehow means for you).

Bungle_Bear · Mar 20, 2021

dlamberth said:
Do you have the right person here in your reply?
I've not ever communicated with you as far as I can remember, though there is the possibility somewhere maybe.

What caused me to respond to renniks post is the idea of imperfection and brokenness associated with sadness as it pertains to the death of someone. I have the hardest time understanding that kind of thought think. So I added my own thoughts.

Odd. I thought I'd replied to renniks.

Sorry.

disciple Clint · Mar 21, 2021

Estrid said:
Refute a gish. Right.

are you ducking it.

disciple Clint · Mar 21, 2021

Frank Robert said:
The pages might be good apologetics but is not it is not evidence that can be demonstrated using the scientific method because it is not falsifiable.

one question: did you read them and check the footnotes?

disciple Clint · Mar 21, 2021

Speedwell said:
Here is the post I was responding to:
(emphasis added)

There is no information supporting the accuracy of the Gospels or that confirms Intelligent Design in your link. In fact, I would be astonished if Fr. Spitzer had provided any evidence of ID, since the Catholic Church has rejected it.

Neither the existence of God nor the resurrection and divinity of Jesus are at issue in this forum.

Go read it then decide.

dlamberth · Mar 21, 2021

SelfSim said:
Also, I'm not sure what 'a perfection' of a more human, Human Being' means from your associating it with sadness ... (although I do get that's what it somehow means for you).

I also have no idea what a "perfected" Human Being is. But, I do know that the more Loving, Compassionate, Empathic and helping those in need we become all help us to become more human. For myself, because we are born as Human Beings, that's our true calling in life.

disciple Clint · Mar 21, 2021

dlamberth said:
I also have no idea what a "perfected" Human Being is. But, I do know that the more Loving, Compassionate, Empathic and helping those in need we become all help us to become more human. For myself, because we are born as Human Beings, that's our true calling in life.

Our best example of a perfected human would be Jesus excluding the miracles.
Or after thinking about that for a moment maybe including the miracles because He was sanctified in His human nature to the point that His relationship with the Holy Spirit would allow Him at least some miracles.

dlamberth · Mar 21, 2021

disciple Clint said:
Our best example of a perfected human would be Jesus excluding the miracles.

I still have no idea what that looks like.

SelfSim · Mar 21, 2021

dlamberth said:
I also have no idea what a "perfected" Human Being is. But, I do know that the more Loving, Compassionate, Empathic and helping those in need we become all help us to become more human. For myself, because we are born as Human Beings, that's our true calling in life.

So you're ultimately doing all those things to satisfy some 'need' you assign to yourself then?

dlamberth · Mar 21, 2021

SelfSim said:
So you're ultimately doing all those things to satisfy some 'need' you assign to yourself then?

It's more of an opening of the Heart sort of thing. I don't think that doing it by assigning them to ones self would work very well.

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