Is the Earth Flat?

d taylor said:

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Here is sciences sun and this is not the same sun as the sun God created, that is described in The Bible.

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The utter hubris of pitting your flawed interpretation of the Scriptures against what we can observe of God's creation with the very senses God gave us.

prodromos said:

The utter hubris of pitting your flawed interpretation of the Scriptures against what we can observe of God's creation with the very senses God gave us.

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Really what have you observed, all i have heard you do is regurgitate science deceptions. So who observed the sun 4.75 billion years ago being born and who is the suns mother that berthed the sun.

Akita Suggagaki said:

Quite beautiful over 14 billion years.

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You science sates 4.75 billion years ago and who is the suns mother.

d taylor said:

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Here is sciences sun and this is not the same sun as the sun God created, that is described in The Bible.

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The sun isn't really described in technical detail in the Bible, is it? There's just the one sun. You think, based on a misunderstanding of Scripture, what it ought to be. Scientists have studied God's work itself, and seen how He actually designed it.

I had an old boy call me at my office once, who identified himself as at attorney with the firm of Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish, and Short. He was representing a Major Software Company, who had determined that I was in violation of one of their many patents (which included, he assured me, earrh, air, fire, and water). He described the algorithm that they, and presumably I, used to accomplish a particular bit of software magic.

I acknowledged tha I was aware of their algorithm, had considered using one like it of my own design, but had rejected it in favor of a better technique, also of my devising. He said that he'd see me in court, and I assured him that I would counter-sue, and demonstrate that I possessed "prior art"unarguably proving that my code was installed and in production for at least 18 months before their patent was issued. After a couple of more entertaining (for me) conversations, I heard no more from friend lawyer.

Why am I telling you this? Because friend lawyer and his clients, knew, or so they thought, how I had accomplished what I did in my software. Their conclusion was based on the results of the code, about which they were altogether correct, and the mechanism I had designed to accomplish that result, on which point they were absurdly wrong. In fact, they had misunderstood the way my stuff worked from line one. (One of their alleged engineers declared that I was a lying sack and anyone with half sense knew it. But another of their folks, somewhat less full of himself than his colleague, did glom on to what we (the initial design was done by one of my colleagues, but I actually managed to make it work) had done and asked if he could see the source code. I said sure, but it'll cost you. He apparently didn't need to know that much.)

You see, they knew how my stuff worked, based on how it results were advertised by my company. But they were wrong, it didn't work at all as they thought it did, as they would have known in an instant if they'd looked at the code itself.

Your lot knows what the sun is and how it works based on how it's descibed in the Bible. But what you know is wrong. You can only find out the way it really works by studying the thing itself, and seeing how God actually designed it!

d taylor said:

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Really what have you observed,

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How God actually designed and made it. There it is, hanging above your heard, but you'd rather read a brief observer'sdescription of the thing than look up in wonder at the thing itself and discover the unimaginable marvel that is God's creation. You want to reduce God's incredible universe to tinker toys because you can't imagine it being more than that. Sad.

d taylor said:

You science sates 4.75 billion years ago and who is the suns mother.

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Your doctrine sees it as a 100 watt light bulb hanging from a vaulted ceiling. It's another of those "Poor God..." deals. "Poor God, He couldn't have designed anything more complex than someone in 5000 BC could describe."

Jipsah said:

You want to reduce God's incredible universe to tinker toys because you can't imagine it being more than that. Sad.

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He reduces God's creation to the equivalent of a giant snow globe

d taylor said:

all i have heard you do is regurgitate science deceptions

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That is a complete lie. I've done no such thing.

d taylor said:

So who observed the sun 4.75 billion years ago being born and who is the suns mother that berthed the sun.​

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I was not present for my daughter's birth as my wife required an emergency c-section delivery. When my son was born I was on the other side of the planet (It really does seem to be round). Consequently I did not see either of my children being born. This was some forty years ago and I do not know if any of the medical staff who attended my wife are still alive. Should I reject the idea that my children were actually born? Perhaps they just spontaneously appeared in the delivery room. I have no information on the presence of storks or gooseberry bushes in the vicinity of the hospital, so other hypotheses lack any support. However, since I know there are many people who have witnessed births of humans and that there is extensive research on the details (biochemical, physiological, psychological, etc.) I accept that they almost certainly were born.

In a like manner we can observe stars in the hole range of conditions from birth to death and it is reasonable to presume that the sun follows the pattern of stellar birth and evolution we see today. Indeed, to reject this idea is to temporarily suspend rational thought. That's rarely a good idea.

You ask about the sun's mother. She was a Giant Molecular Cloud (GMC)whose birth act was to collapse into a host of other suns. We have identified some of the sun's siblings. If you sincerely would be interested in reading how that was done I will invest the time to track down the research for you. (Before you ask who the father was, that would be the supernova that initiated the collapse of the GMC. As far as I know the remnant of that star has not been identified . . . yet.)

Thomas White said:

Do you believe the Earth is flat?

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Some of it is.

Thomas White said:

If so, to what degree do you believe the Earth is flat?

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100% in some of it.

Ophiolite said:

I was not present for my daughter's birth as my wife required an emergency c-section delivery. When my son was born I was on the other side of the planet (It really does seem to be round). Consequently I did not see either of my children being born. This was some forty years ago and I do not know if any of the medical staff who attended my wife are still alive. Should I reject the idea that my children were actually born? Perhaps they just spontaneously appeared in the delivery room. I have no information on the presence of storks or gooseberry bushes in the vicinity of the hospital, so other hypotheses lack any support. However, since I know there are many people who have witnessed births of humans and that there is extensive research on the details (biochemical, physiological, psychological, etc.) I accept that they almost certainly were born.

In a like manner we can observe stars in the hole range of conditions from birth to death and it is reasonable to presume that the sun follows the pattern of stellar birth and evolution we see today. Indeed, to reject this idea is to temporarily suspend rational thought. That's rarely a good idea.

You ask about the sun's mother. She was a Giant Molecular Cloud (GMC)whose birth act was to collapse into a host of other suns. We have identified some of the sun's siblings. If you sincerely would be interested in reading how that was done I will invest the time to track down the research for you. (Before you ask who the father was, that would be the supernova that initiated the collapse of the GMC. As far as I know the remnant of that star has not been identified . . . yet.)

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When did you identify some of the sun's siblings?

d taylor said:

When do you identify some of the sun's siblings?

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I don't understand your question. Do you mean "when were the sun's siblings identified", or something else? (I hope this isn't going to be a form of Gish Gallop.)

Ophiolite said:

I don't understand your question. Do you mean "when were the sun's siblings identified", or something else? (I hope this isn't going to be a form of Gish Gallop.)

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Well i actually miss typed my question.
I should have written: When did you identify some of the sun's siblings?

That question was directed about your statement you made, in your post to me.
We have identified some of the sun's siblings.

So i was asking you, when did you identify some of the sun's siblings?

Ophiolite said:

You ask about the sun's mother. She was a Giant Molecular Cloud (GMC)whose birth act was to collapse into a host of other suns. We have identified some of the sun's siblings. If you sincerely would be interested in reading how that was done I will invest the time to track down the research for you. (Before you ask who the father was, that would be the supernova that initiated the collapse of the GMC. As far as I know the remnant of that star has not been identified . . . yet.)

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I've never seen it written this way... but I like it. Let's call her The Great Mother Cloud.

d taylor said:

When do you identify some of the sun's siblings?

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A solar sibling identical to the sun

HD 186302 - Wikipedia

Hans Blaster said:

A solar sibling identical to the sun

HD 186302 - Wikipedia

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When did you take this photo

d taylor said:

When did you take this photo

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What?

d taylor said:

Well i actually miss typed my question.
I should have written: When did you identify some of the sun's siblings?

That question was directed about your statement you made, in your post to me.
We have identified some of the sun's siblings.

So i was asking you, when did you identify some of the sun's siblings?

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Thank you for your clarification. Let me offer my own. When I said "We have already identified some of the sun's siblings" the "we" referred to humanity, or rather members of that sub-set of humanity who are practicing astronomers and astrophysicists.
@Hans Blaster has already provided a link that discusses the discovery of one such potential sibling. His second link notes that this identification has later been questioned because of incompatible orbital dynamics, but the wikipedia article notes an earlier identification.
My recollection was of reading research that had identifed a handful of such siblings. Based on the links Hans supplied I think this would have been the two candidates noted here, prior to the rejection of the latter.

Anticipating Hans' reply to your post to him. The photograph in the article is of our sun. That was, I thought, clear in the article, as was the date. The date of the discovery is also stated. You seem to be implying, by that question, that since we do not have a photograph of the star being born our "assumptions" about it are invalid. I do hope that was not your intent.

d taylor said:

You science sates 4.75 billion years ago and who is the suns mother.

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14 includes the anticipated future.

Sorry. I can't help myself

Most High, all powerful, good Lord,
Yours are the praises, the glory, the honor, and all blessing.

To You alone, Most High, do they belong,
and no man is worthy to mention Your name.

Be praised, my Lord, through all your creatures,
especially through my lord Brother Sun,
who brings the day; and you give light through him.
And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor!
Of you, Most High, he bears the likeness.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Sister Moon and the stars,
in heaven you formed them clear and precious and beautiful.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Brother Wind,
and through the air, cloudy and serene,
and every kind of weather through which you give sustenance to Your creatures.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Sister Water,
which is very useful and humble and precious and chaste.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Brother Fire,
through whom you light the night and he is beautiful
and playful and robust and strong.

Praised be You, my Lord, through Sister Mother Earth,
who sustains us and governs us and who produces
varied fruits with colored flowers and herbs.

Praised be You, my Lord, through those who give pardon for Your love,
and bear infirmity and tribulation.

Blessed are those who endure in peace
for by You, Most High, they shall be crowned.

Praised be You, my Lord, through our Sister Bodily Death,
from whom no living man can escape.
Woe to those who die in mortal sin.
Blessed are those who will find Your most holy will,
for the second death shall do them no harm.

Praise and bless my Lord, and give Him thanks
and serve Him with great humility.

St Francis of Assisi