Is the 1000 year kingdom literal?

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So if and when physical national Israel acknowledges Jesus as the prophesied Messiah. Then. The Second Coming event will occur.?

That is what Hosea 5:14 - Hosea 6:2 says. That Yeshua would not return until they acknowledge that unique offense of rejecting Him. And Yeshua affirmed that in Matthew 23:38-39. So when both the Tanakh and the NT both agree on something, I tend to think it probably is reality. Especially what a prophet wrote and it is affirmed by the Son of God.
 
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I invite you to cite any recognized scholar or theologian of the historical true Christian Church who did not believe that the New Will and Testament replaced the Old Will and Testament in its entirety.

I don't need to. But Dr. Thomas Ice is one. Dr. Andy Woods is another. C.H Spurgeon is another.

The Abrahamic Covenant and the Davidic Covenant is still in play.

You seem to have missed the word "historical", meaning prior to the 19th century era of dispensational modernism.

Drs. Ice and Woods of course do not qualify. They are products of that modernism.

I invite you to cite Spurgeon's exact words where he denies that the New Will and Testament supersedes the old in its entirety.

The Abrahamic and Davidic Covenants are fulfilled in Christ (Galatians 3:16; 2 Corinthians 1:20; Hebrews 1:1,2; Matthew 1:1; Acts 13:22–23; Luke 24:25-27,44). Indeed, they are in play, and have been for almost 2,000 years.
 
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That is what Hosea 5:14 - Hosea 6:2 says. That Yeshua would not return until they acknowledge that unique offense of rejecting Him. And Yeshua affirmed that in Matthew 23:38-39. So when both the Tanakh and the NT both agree on something, I tend to think it probably is reality. Especially what a prophet wrote and it is affirmed by the Son of God.

Rom 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

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That is what Hosea 5:14 - Hosea 6:2 says. That Yeshua would not return until they acknowledge that unique offense of rejecting Him. And Yeshua affirmed that in Matthew 23:38-39. So when both the Tanakh and the NT both agree on something, I tend to think it probably is reality. Especially what a prophet wrote and it is affirmed by the Son of God.
Actually that is the Babylonian Talmud who is the basic of the Judaism in the Modern Apostate State of Israel created in 1948.
The 6 Pointed Star [The Hexagram] on the Israel flag represent the Star of Moloch an ancien Babylonian God.

Revelation 17 and Revelation 18 tell us about the Great harlot Babylon ....The Mother of Harlot ...The Woman who ridesThe Beast .....That is the role that the Modern Apostate State of Israel created in 1948 will play during the Tribulation.
 
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Humans on earth have been "crying wolf" for centuries

However, people on earth being wrong does not logically deny that God in heaven is right

So please don't let them wind up deceiving you
Of course not ....I have never falled into the trap of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Doctrine....That was easy to determine in advance that each of their ''predictions'' [Hyper Hype] that they have nearly each years will always fail...
Example: 1988 Pre-Tribbers [Darbites] Hyper Hype [a Biblical Generation =40 years ---The modern Apostate State of Israel created in 1948 = 1988 ]When the 1988 prediction failed a Biblical Generation was sretched to 70 Years-- they now expect something big to happen this years 1948 +70 =2018 ..Trump/Kusner who are trying to bring a peace deal with Israel and the Palestinians....
If a peace treaty with Israel is signed the pre-tribbers believe that they will be raptured in Heaven soon after.

The Reason why their ''predictions'' always fails is very simple ...Jesus Himself IN Matthew 24:29-31 tell us that He will return ON THE EARTH [Second Coming] AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS ...NOT BEFORE.

We may not know the exact day or hour, but we can possibly know the "season", the general era in which Final Judgement will factually occur...
''The Season'' of the Coming of Jesus is tied to the Gathering of the Armies for the Battle of Armageddon ....
Revelation 16:14-16
When all the armies will be arrived and ready for the Battle of Armageddon Revelation 19:11-21.

Revelation 19 is NOT THE FINAL JUGDGENT ....only the Beast and the False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at that moment.
Revelation 19:20-21
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, [even the sword] which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

The Final Judgment OF THE DEAD will happen 1,000 years Later AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT.as clearly cited in Revelation 20

Revelation 20:15
And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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Revelation 19 is NOT THE FINAL JUGDGENT ....only the Beast and the False Prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at that moment.

Below we find "the time of the judgment of the dead", with "reward" for some and "destruction" for others, which was described by Christ in John 5:27-30.


Revelation 11:18

(ESV) The nations raged, but your wrath came, and the time for the dead to be judged, and for rewarding your servants, the prophets and saints, and those who fear your name, both small and great, and for destroying the destroyers of the earth."

(Geneva) And the Gentiles were angrie, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they shoulde be iudged, and that thou shouldest giue reward vnto thy seruants the Prophets, and to the Saintes, and to them that feare thy Name, to small and great, and shouldest destroy them, which destroy the earth.

(Greek NT TR) και τα εθνη ωργισθησαν και ηλθεν η οργη σου και ο καιρος των νεκρων κριθηναι και δουναι τον μισθον τοις δουλοις σου τοις προφηταις και τοις αγιοις και τοις φοβουμενοις το ονομα σου τοις μικροις και τοις μεγαλοις και διαφθειραι τους διαφθειροντας την γην

(GW) The nations were angry, but your anger has come. The time has come for the dead to be judged: to reward your servants, the prophets, your holy people, and those who fear your name, no matter if they are important or unimportant, and to destroy those who destroy the earth."

(LITV-TSP) And the nations were full of wrath; and Your wrath came, and the time of the judging of the dead, and to give the reward to Your slaves, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to the ones fearing Your name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those destroying the earth.

(KJV) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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(NKJV) The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."

(YLT) and the nations were angry, and Thine anger did come, and the time of the dead, to be judged, and to give the reward to Thy servants, to the prophets, and to the saints, and to those fearing Thy name, to the small and to the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the land.'

Your Bible says the same thing.

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Below we find "the time of the judgment of the dead", with "reward" for some and "destruction" for others, which was described by Christ in John 5:27-30.
Revelation 11:18
(KJV) And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Your Bible says the same thing.
Do you agree that Revelation 20:4-6 is about the reward for the Prophets and theSaints who have been slain for the word of God and the Testimony of Jesus which they held ?

Revelation 20:4-6

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Your Bible says the same thing.
 
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The first resurrection found in John chapter 5 is in John 5:24.
I was dead and now I am alive.
It is found at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.



The second resurrection found in John chapter 5 is in John 5:27-30.
It is found in Revelation 11:18, and also at the end of Revelation chapter 20.

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The first resurrection found in John chapter 5 is in John 5:24.
I was dead and now I am alive.
It is found at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.



The second resurrection found in John chapter 5 is in John 5:27-30.
It is found in Revelation 11:18, and also at the end of Revelation chapter 20.
The resurrection OF THE SAINTS MARTYRS mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 will be a Physical Resurrection Like Jesus who have been Resurrected With His Physical Body.The Resurrected Saints Martyrs will receive a incorruptible immortal physical body...and will reign with Jesus on the Earth during 1,000 years.

When the 1,000 years will be achieved..

The Rest of the DEAD will be resurrected to be judged AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT Revelation 20:11-15

The Resurrection in Revelation 20:11-15 will be a physical resurrection ...those whose names are written in the Book of Life will receive a incorruptible immortal physical body and will have access to New Jerusalem the city of God who will descend on the New Earth Revelation 21...after the Judgment of the DEAD AT Great White Throne Judgment .

Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be Cast Alive Into The Lake Of Fire.
Revelation 20:15
And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
 
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The resurrection OF THE SAINTS MARTYRS mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6 will be a Physical Resurrection Like Jesus who have been Resurrected With His Physical Body.The Resurrected Saints Martyrs will receive a incorruptible immortal physical body...and will reign with Jesus on the Earth during 1,000 years.

When the 1,000 years will be achieved

THEN the rest of the DEAD will happen AT THE GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT Revelation 20:11-15

The Resurrection in Revelation 20:11-15 will be a physical resurrection ...those whose names are written in the Book of Life will receive a incorruptible immortal physical body and will have access to New Jerusalem the city of God who will descend on the New Earth Revelation 21...after the Judgment of the DEAD AT Great White Throne Judgment .

Those whose names are not found written in the Book of Life will be Cast Alive Into The Lake Of Fire.
Revelation 20:15
And if any was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

I did not see where you fit Revelation 11:8 into the above, or are you trying to ignore it?

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I did not see where you fit Revelation 11:8 into the above, or are you trying to ignore it?

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I don't see how you can ignore the sequence given in Revelation 20:4-6

You have still not answered the question ...do you agree that Revelation 20:4-6 is the REWARD for the Prophets and The Saints Mentioned in Revelation 11:18 ?

Revelation 11:18
18 And the nations were wroth, and thy wrath came, and the time of the dead to be judged, and [the time] to give their reward to thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear thy name, the small and the great; and to destroy them that destroy the earth.
 
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I don't see how you can ignore the sequence given in Revelation 20:4-6

You have still not answered the question ...do you agree that Revelation 20:4-6 is the REWARD for the Prophets and The Saints Mentioned in Revelation 11:18 ?

Revelation 11:18
18 And the nations were wroth, and thy wrath came, and the time of the dead to be judged, and [the time] to give their reward to thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and to them that fear thy name, the small and the great; and to destroy them that destroy the earth.

No.

Because after His return we reign with Christ forever, instead of for 1,000 years.

Read Revelation 11:15. The time period is "forever".
How long is "forever"?

Our reward has no time limit.


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No.

Because after His return we reign with Christ forever, instead of for 1,000 years.

Read Revelation 11:15. The time period is "forever".
How long is "forever"?

Our reward has no time limit.
The 1,000 years when Jesus will PHYSICALLY REIGN ON THE EARTH OVER THE NATIONS with the Resurrected SAINTS MARTYRS [Revelation 20:4-6] is the First Step of the ETERNEL KINGDOM OF GOD AND JESUS ON THE EARTH .

-First Step is Revelation 20, Jesus will PHYSICALLY Reign ON THE EARTH untill he put all his ennemies under his foot...

-Then Jesus after defeating His last ennemy [DEATH] ANOTHER NAME FOR SATAN [Revelation 20:10]...WILL DELIVER THE EARTHLY KINGDOM TO HIS FATHER this is Revelation 21 and Revelation 22 when God the Father will make ALL THINGS NEW Revelation 21:5.

We will not even have any rememberance of our actual life...
 
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Then Jesus after defeating His last ennemy [DEATH] ANOTHER NAME FOR SATAN [Revelation 20:10]...WILL DELIVER THE EARTHLY KINGDOM TO HIS FATHER this is Revelation 21 and Revelation 22 when God the Father will make ALL THINGS NEW Revelation 21:5.

The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" in the verse below.
How long do you think "forever" lasts?

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Then we find "the time of the judgment of the dead" shortly after in the verse below.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


All of the above is repeated at the end of Revelation chapter 20.

The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Based on Christ returning in both Revelation 16:15-16, and also in Revelation chapter 19, it is undeniable.
When will you admit this fact?


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C.H Spurgeon is another.

A salient exposition by Dr. Spurgeon on the Davidic Covenant can be read here.

One would be hard pressed to find a more ringing assent to Scripture's declaration of the accomplished fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant in Christ's perfect and completed sacrifice at Calvary; than that seen in Dr. Spurgeon's sermon.

One can only imagine his guffaws, had a dispensationalized explanation of said covenant crossed his desk.

Dr. Spurgeon's contributions to the defense of the historical true Christian faith are undisputed.

No dispensational modernist, he.
 
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The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever" in the verse below.
How long do you think "forever" lasts?
The forever Kingdom of God ON THE EARTH will have to begin at some point in time ....
Revelation 20:4-6 is about that beginning ... followed by Revelation 21 and Revelation 22 Oh surprise there will be Kings and Nations on the New Earth.

The Biblical proof:
Revelation 21:22-24
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God the Almighty, and the Lamb, are the temple thereof.

23 And the city hath no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine upon it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the lamp thereof [is] the Lamb.

24 And the NATIONS shall walk amidst the light thereof: and the KINGS Of The Earth bring their glory into it.

25 And the gates thereof shall in no wise be shut by day (for there shall be no night there): 26 and they shall bring the glory and the honor of the NATIONS into it: 27 and there shall in no wise enter into it anything unclean, or he that maketh an abomination and a lie: but only they that are written in the Lamb's book of life.



Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Then we find "the time of the judgment of the dead" shortly after in the verse below.

Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
Here upon what the Jugdment of the DEAD will depend ....having -their names- written in the Book of Life is the criterion .Oh surprise God can blot your name out of the Book of life... To bad for those who believe that once saved always saved.

Revelation 3:5 KJV
“He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”

Now can you tell us USING the Book of Revelation upon what will be Judged those who will be ALIVE on the Earth at that moment ?
 
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The forever Kingdom of God ON THE EARTH will have to begin at some point in time ....

And that time is found below.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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And that time is found below.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

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So you're saying that the nations of Revelation 11:18 are The nations deceived in revelation 20:7-9?

After which final judgment comes?
 
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