Is Struggling with sin normal?

[CharismaticLady]

Every prayer of a genuine child of God is answered: Yes, No, or Wait. I suppose, though, that what you mean is that you receive everything you pray for. Right? The problem with this is that I have to take your word for it that what you're telling me is true. But anyone can say anything about themselves on these forums. For all I know, you could be some obese, pasty-faced, forty-something guy sitting at his computer in his underwear in the darkened basement of his parents' home. So, you're going to have to avoid claims about yourself when trying to establish your points.

Thanks for that mental picture of me. I laughed out loud. But, no that is not the case. You have quite the imagination, friend.

The three verses I just gave you hold the secret to answered prayer. Hint: it is a Greek word.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes there is one truth.....but it is not revealed to all at the same time and magnitude.... For we are not able to bear it....therefore most get milk only....for they would choke on meat.

However the truth needs to be believed before it is realized in us. If I told you I put 1 Mill in everyones bank account.....it is truth, whether you believe it or not. If you dont believe, it is not truth to you and you cannot benefit from it. Likewise, if you stop at belief....it is still not truth to you...because you havent verified it's existence. But to those who believe up unto the bank to withdrawn the 1Mill.....the same shall be saved...

There was one truth for the unbeliever, another for the believer, and yet another for the one saved by grace through faith....even though the reality is One



I was quoting a verse that states "Work out your own Salvation" I changed the "your" to "our" to limit the opportunity to find darkness, for those looking for it...... Ill try to do a better job, next time.



I see no wrong in speaking what you see and believe. I would only encourage you to think more positively of yourself and others in the religion.

Jesus called those that wished to follow Him, "Light's of the world". What do you think about calling Christians "future lights of the world".....instead of sinners?


Maybe these words were for someone else....feel free to ignore that which you do not, yet, understand.



This sounds like aiming for the Sun and landing on the moon.

The way to life is not found this haphazardly. We should aim for Christ, seeking Him with all our heart.....not being satisfied with anything lesser.


I was the most confused, when I knew all there was to know about being saved.... Lets move pass the discussion about why sinners sin, and go unto why good trees produce good fruit...


I appreciate that you are attributing sin to yourself and not others this time. Now if you would hear it.....there is a way to break this cycle of sinning and asking forgiveness. But this is only true for you, if you are willing to go to the bank and withdraw that 1 Mill.

I think that I will just settle for..... you and I are on a total different wave length.

 

[JacksBratt]

Those who continue to sin, claiming they have imputed righteousness, have a 50-50 chance of making it to heaven (if their doctrine is true).

Those who walk in the Spirit of Christ and not in the flesh have a 100% chance of making it to heaven.

I like my odds.

Sorry... but I disagree.

I stand by the fact that Christians sin and will continue to sin right until the day they go home to eternal life through Christ their savior.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Sorry... but I disagree.

I stand by the fact that Christians sin and will continue to sin right until the day they go home to eternal life through Christ their savior.

Agree...Jesus said even in thought it is a sin....

 

[Heart2Soul]

Great post.

In post #43 I gave a list of sins that we all cannot help but commit...... No responses other than one who condemned me saying: Everything you said is true.......for you.

IMO saying that once you are saved you should never sin again... is just as bad as saying that salvation is a journey and doesn't happen in an instant... or.. that you can be saved and then lose it and have to keep asking for salvation over and over again..

These are all Satan's lies to keep God's children shackled by their sinful nature, doubting of the power of Christ and a slave to sin.

Christ said the if we believe no His name we are saved.... end of story.

Those that think that they can ask for Christ to forgive them and then carry on their sinful life..... not getting it..

It has to be a change of heart... Not a ticket you buy to get to heaven.. put it in your pocket and pull it out at the time of your death.

Your heart changes... You will still struggle with sin.. but you struggle with it.. not giving in to it. You are a new creature and your attitude and desire is to be more like Christ every day... even though you cannot ever be perfect.

We still sin but we are not held to this. Christ has forgiven all our sins past present and future. Still not a license to sin.

I went back and read your post and yes you nailed it on that list. And let's not forget our thoughts...even if we think it we sin.

 

[aiki]

"No" is actually a pretty common answer from God in Scripture. In Gethsemane, did Jesus not ask for the "cup" of suffering to be taken from him? Yes, he did. Did God say, "Yes"? Nope. Jesus was not relieved of the suffering of the cross. Did Paul not ask three times for his "thorn in the flesh" to be removed? Yes, he did. Did God say, "Sure! I never say 'No' to my children." Nope. God denied Paul's request all three times. Moses asked God to choose someone else to free the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. Did God agree to Moses' request? Nope. He gave Moses some help, but not freedom from doing what God had told Him to do. In the Psalms, David made many pleas to God. Though David was a "man after God's own heart, he did not always receive everything for which he asked. For instance, David prayed in terrible earnest all night for the life of his first child by Bathsheba, but God said, "No" and took the child's life. And so on. "No" as an answer from God, then, is entirely scriptural. That you would assert it isn't exposes a serious ignorance of God's word.

James 4:3
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

Hebrews 11:37-39
35 Others were tortured not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.
36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains of imprisonment.
37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented
38 Of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise,

 

[CharismaticLady]

"No" is actually a pretty common answer from God in Scripture. In Gethsemane, did Jesus not ask for the "cup" of suffering to be taken from him? Yes, he did. Did God say, "Yes"? Nope. Jesus was not relieved of the suffering of the cross. Did Paul not ask three times for his "thorn in the flesh" to be removed? Yes, he did. Did God say, "Sure! I never say 'No' to my children." Nope. God denied Paul's request all three times. Moses asked God to choose someone else to free the Israelites from slavery in Egypt. Did God agree to Moses' request? Nope. He gave Moses some help, but not freedom from doing what God had told Him to do. In the Psalms, David made many pleas to God. Though David was a "man after God's own heart, he did not always receive everything for which he asked. For instance, David prayed in terrible earnest all night for the life of his first child by Bathsheba, but God said, "No" and took the child's life. And so on. "No" as an answer from God, then, is entirely scriptural. That you would assert it isn't exposes a serious ignorance of God's word.

James 4:3
3 You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures.

Hebrews 11:37-39
35 Others were tortured not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.
36 Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains of imprisonment.
37 They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented
38 Of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise,

Going back to the scriptures I posted, besides praying in tongues, how else can you know God's perfect will in a situation?

Did you ever figure out the Greek word I hinted at?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I went back and read your post and yes you nailed it on that list. And let's not forget our thoughts...even if we think it we sin.

Hi, Heart

I've talked with you before, and didn't think you believed Christians "will always sin", a doctrine out of the Reformation. If Jesus takes away our sin, and in Him there is no sin, does Jesus fail with some of us, but not others?

 

[aiki]

Going back to the scriptures I posted, besides praying in tongues, how else can you know God's perfect will in a situation?

Goodness! Really? Read the Bible. Start with 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

Did you ever figure out the Greek word I hinted at?

Look, if you want to share something, go ahead. I'm not a child with whom you might play games.

Also, I noticed you offered no response to the things I pointed out about God saying "No" in Scripture.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Goodness! Really? Read the Bible. Start with 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

I said in a situation. Does the Bible talk about car trouble? Job hunting? Are all your needs listed in the Bible?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Goodness! Really? Read the Bible. Start with 2 Timothy 3:16-17.



Look, if you want to share something, go ahead. I'm not a child with whom you might play games.

Also, I noticed you offered no response to the things I pointed out about God saying "No" in Scripture.

I don't have to, seeing as He ALWAYS answers my prayers. What you are doing is trying to justify why yours seem to be "No." People do that about sin too.

As far as teaching you, I would love to, but you are not open to the things of God and victory; you are a defeatist. You actually try to shoot down any promise of God given to His people. If you practiced faith as much as you do unbelief, you might find why John says we shall have what we pray for. Also that John says a Christian is free from sin. If you ever want to give up false doctrines of demons, let me know. Then I'll help you.

John 10:10
The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

John 8:36
Therefore if the Son makes you free (from sin), you shall be free indeed.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Hi, Heart

I've talked with you before, and didn't think you believed Christians "will always sin", a doctrine out of the Reformation. If Jesus takes away our sin, and in Him there is no sin, does Jesus fail with some of us, but not others?

Jesus never fails. Every sin we have committed is under the blood. And I think I have shared my testimony about giving up on being a christian because no matter how hard I tried I always seem to mess up (sin). And that is when God spoke to me for the 1st and what He said set me free of condemnation. If you want to read the whole testimony I will share the link.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Jesus never fails. Every sin we have committed is under the blood. And I think I have shared my testimony about giving up on being a christian because no matter how hard I tried I always seem to mess up (sin). And that is when God spoke to me for the 1st and what He said set me free of condemnation. If you want to read the whole testimony I will share the link.

I think I read it in the past. As I told you back then, I could not stop sinning on my own either. Not in my own strength, our carnal nature. That is why the baptism of the Holy Spirit is crucial to empower us so that we are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit. It is called being born again.

 

[Heart2Soul]

I think I read it in the past. As I told you back then, I could not stop sinning on my own either. Not in my own strength, our carnal nature. That is why the baptism of the Holy Spirit is crucial to empower us so that we are no longer in the flesh, but in the Spirit. It is called being born again.

I pray and repent daily of my sins or any sin I committed that I am not aware of. That's the best I can do. I strive to run the race and to walk upright but I do fail at times. It is a daily walk.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I pray and repent daily of my sins or any sin I committed that I am not aware of. That's the best I can do. I strive to run the race and to walk upright but I do fail at times. It is a daily walk.

Do you remember us discussing "sin I committed that I am not aware of." Those are "unintentional" sins. Do you remember?

 

[JIMINZ]

1 John 3:9 means to practice sin....

This is my Addendum to my first post on the subject of the correct usage of the word Commit which is used in 1 John 3:9 and your attempt in refuting that usage, as demonstrated above in your post.

Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Here is an example of another place where the word COMMIT G-4160 is used being in Context it demonstrates the use in 1 John 3:9 in it's Context, to be the correct usage and not ( To Practice -Prasso) as you have supposed.

Furthermore, these two verses from Luke and 1 John are the only places where this particular rendering of the word (Commit) are used.


Rom. 1:27-31
27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

This is the only other place where the word (Commit) is in fact the word (Commit - To Practice).

COMMIT:
G4238
πράσσω
prassō
pras'-so
A primary verb; to “practise”, that is, perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act); by implication to execute, accomplish, etc.; specifically to collect (dues), fare (personally): - commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts.

1 Cor. 10:8
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

This word (Commit, Committed) being used in the same verse, and two other verses in The Revelation are in fact examples of Practicing Sin over and over, but the word is again different than (Commit - to Practice), it is actually living in a lifestyle of sin, therefore the lifestyle itself being as much a sin as the act.
( Commit - PRONEUO)


COMMIT - Committed:
G4203
πορνεύω
porneuō
porn-yoo'-o
From G4204; to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: - commit (fornication).

G4204
πόρνη
pornē
por'-nay
Feminine of G4205; a strumpet; figuratively an idolater: - harlot, harlot.

G4205
πόρνος
pornos
por'-nos
A (male) prostitute (as venal), that is, (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): - fornicator, whoremonger.


I know you do not like books, but in some cases it is unavoidable and necessary, therefore my apologies for you having to read this.

This book should settle any further misunderstanding you my have on this matter.
Were all striving to gain knowledge of the truth, were in a mutual quest.

Be Blessed in Christ

 

[JIMINZ]

It is not saying that any sin is okay, rather, we still live in the sinful flesh, wherein the sin nature still abides, but is to not have dominion....For sin shall not have dominion over you...

Sorry but this needs an answer.

The way you string thoughts, understandings, beliefs, and yes even Scripture together, makes it very difficult to break down just what it is your saying which is wrong, but there are time when you do manage to say nothing which is correct, even though it sounds so very, very good.

I will number your statements in order to be better able to answer each in turn.

Your statement
1) rather, we still live in the sinful flesh,

You are partially correct, we do live in a body which is made up of flesh, but that is where the difficulty arises, you see, when the term "The Flesh" is used it is not speaking of our Physical Bodies, its speaking of OUR Sinful Natures inherited from Adam.

Paul describes this (Flesh) = (Human Nature) = (The Old Man) so when he says, first,

Gal. 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

There it is right there, "the Flesh has been Crucified with the affections and lusts."

So we see right off the bat, the Flesh has been Crucified, as well as the sins,
next we see Paul saying.

Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

So you see right there, he has said the same exact thing in two different letters to two different peoples, the Galatians, and the Romans, the words themselves are essentially different but with exactly the same meaning conveyed to each group of Believers.

In essence Paul has said.

The Body of Sin, The Old Man, The Flesh, The human Nature of a man inherited from Adam is DEAD, it was Crucified with Christ, through our Baptism, and when we were raised in the Likeness of His resurrection we were raised unto Newness of Life in the Spirit.

2 Cor. 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Your Statement
2) wherein the sin nature still abides, but is to not have dominion

I have just provided Scripture which effectively refuted that statementthe sum total of them asserting (We, Believers in Christ are Dead to the Flesh and that Sin has also been destroyed.

This is actually how sin was taken care of.

Rom. 8:3
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In verse 3 we see the how, Sin itself, and Sin in the Flesh were both destroyed when Jesus took and nailed them to His Cross for us, this was done, verse 4, "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us," because now through OUR Baptism we, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Have been

Rom. 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Who is dead but The Old Man, The Flesh, Sin, Sin in the Flesh.
But we are alive unto God through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and freed from Sin?

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Your statement
3) but is to not have dominion....For sin shall not have dominion over you.

You are 100% correct on this one but, it isn't because anything which we have done.

Tit. 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Regeneration and Renewing are both references to OUR Baptism, where we were Born Again of the Spirit.

Rom. 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Gal. 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Why are we not under The Law?

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Therefore
Dead men Cannot sin, because,

1 Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And we are Dead to the Law, and the Flesh where sin resided in our sinful Natures, The Law has been written on our hearts and because of all of that and the Holy Spirit Dwelling in us.

1 Jn. 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And some statements just need a book to be written.

 

[aiki]

I said in a situation. Does the Bible talk about car trouble? Job hunting? Are all your needs listed in the Bible?

If the Bible does not directly address a situation in my life by a concrete parallel in Scripture, or a specific moral command or point of wisdom, it addresses my situation at least in principle. From these things I can form a wise, reasoned, God-honoring course of action in every situation in which I find myself.

I don't have to, seeing as He ALWAYS answers my prayers. What you are doing is trying to justify why yours seem to be "No." People do that about sin too.

This is a deflection, an attempt to squirm past what Scripture actually says. God always answers my prayers, too, but He doesn't always answer "Yes." Sometimes, as in the instances in Scripture I pointed out, He says "No."

In light of the fact that it is entirely biblical to say that God says "No" at times, how does your comment about people "doing that about sin, too" make any sense? As it stands, this is a nonsense remark.

As far as teaching you, I would love to, but you are not open to the things of God and victory; you are a defeatist.

Well, your saying so doesn't make it so. And I have not asked to be taught by you. From all that I've gathered from your posts, you are, at points, widely wrong in your doctrine and understanding of Scripture. Why on earth, then, would I want to be under your instruction? Yikes!

You actually try to shoot down any promise of God given to His people.

No, in fact, I don't. What you have done here is called arguing from a Strawman. You have erected a caricature of my actual position, a weak, cartoonish, exaggerated version of my beliefs so you can easily knock them down. But, in reality, what you describe of me above is entirely false. It is nothing more than assumption - a false accusation, really - that you're trying to pass off as fact.

If you practiced faith as much as you do unbelief, you might find why John says we shall have what we pray for.

Uh huh. You have no idea whatever of the tenor of my relationship with God. But just as you seem to do with His word, you have jumped to unfounded and badly awry assumptions about my walk with Him.

Also that John says a Christian is free from sin. If you ever want to give up false doctrines of demons, let me know. Then I'll help you.

Uh, no thanks. If anyone is laboring under false doctrine, it is you. In my opinion, you're little help to any believer so long as you remain so.

2 Timothy 3:12-17

 

[Xavier Cane]

Sorry but this needs an answer.

The way you string thoughts, understandings, beliefs, and yes even Scripture together, makes it very difficult to break down just what it is your saying which is wrong, but there are time when you do manage to say nothing which is correct, even though it sounds so very, very good.

I will number your statements in order to be better able to answer each in turn.

Your statement
1) rather, we still live in the sinful flesh,

You are partially correct, we do live in a body which is made up of flesh, but that is where the difficulty arises, you see, when the term "The Flesh" is used it is not speaking of our Physical Bodies, its speaking of OUR Sinful Natures inherited from Adam.

Paul describes this (Flesh) = (Human Nature) = (The Old Man) so when he says, first,

Gal. 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

There it is right there, "the Flesh has been Crucified with the affections and lusts."

So we see right off the bat, the Flesh has been Crucified, as well as the sins,
next we see Paul saying.

Rom. 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

So you see right there, he has said the same exact thing in two different letters to two different peoples, the Galatians, and the Romans, the words themselves are essentially different but with exactly the same meaning conveyed to each group of Believers.

In essence Paul has said.

The Body of Sin, The Old Man, The Flesh, The human Nature of a man inherited from Adam is DEAD, it was Crucified with Christ, through our Baptism, and when we were raised in the Likeness of His resurrection we were raised unto Newness of Life in the Spirit.

2 Cor. 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Eph. 4:22
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Your Statement
2) wherein the sin nature still abides, but is to not have dominion

I have just provided Scripture which effectively refuted that statementthe sum total of them asserting (We, Believers in Christ are Dead to the Flesh and that Sin has also been destroyed.

This is actually how sin was taken care of.

Rom. 8:3
3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

In verse 3 we see the how, Sin itself, and Sin in the Flesh were both destroyed when Jesus took and nailed them to His Cross for us, this was done, verse 4, "That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us," because now through OUR Baptism we, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

Have been

Rom. 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Who is dead but The Old Man, The Flesh, Sin, Sin in the Flesh.
But we are alive unto God through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and freed from Sin?

Gal. 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Your statement
3) but is to not have dominion....For sin shall not have dominion over you.

You are 100% correct on this one but, it isn't because anything which we have done.

Tit. 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Regeneration and Renewing are both references to OUR Baptism, where we were Born Again of the Spirit.

Rom. 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Gal. 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Why are we not under The Law?

Rom. 7:4
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Gal. 2:19
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.

Therefore
Dead men Cannot sin, because,

1 Jn. 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And we are Dead to the Law, and the Flesh where sin resided in our sinful Natures, The Law has been written on our hearts and because of all of that and the Holy Spirit Dwelling in us.

1 Jn. 3:9
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

And some statements just need a book to be written.

I didn't read any of that. Scrolled right through it. I've realized that self-righteous folk (anyone for that matter)gone believe whatever they want. But I know, and God knows, and even you know...you are not as perfect as you think you are. You need a better understanding of the scripture bro. sheesh.

 

[Xavier Cane]

This is my Addendum to my first post on the subject of the correct usage of the word Commit which is used in 1 John 3:9 and your attempt in refuting that usage, as demonstrated above in your post.

Luke 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Here is an example of another place where the word COMMIT G-4160 is used being in Context it demonstrates the use in 1 John 3:9 in it's Context, to be the correct usage and not ( To Practice -Prasso) as you have supposed.

Furthermore, these two verses from Luke and 1 John are the only places where this particular rendering of the word (Commit) are used.


Rom. 1:27-31
27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

This is the only other place where the word (Commit) is in fact the word (Commit - To Practice).

COMMIT:
G4238
πράσσω
prassō
pras'-so
A primary verb; to “practise”, that is, perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act); by implication to execute, accomplish, etc.; specifically to collect (dues), fare (personally): - commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts.

1 Cor. 10:8
Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

This word (Commit, Committed) being used in the same verse, and two other verses in The Revelation are in fact examples of Practicing Sin over and over, but the word is again different than (Commit - to Practice), it is actually living in a lifestyle of sin, therefore the lifestyle itself being as much a sin as the act.
( Commit - PRONEUO)


COMMIT - Committed:
G4203
πορνεύω
porneuō
porn-yoo'-o
From G4204; to act the harlot, that is, (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry: - commit (fornication).

G4204
πόρνη
pornē
por'-nay
Feminine of G4205; a strumpet; figuratively an idolater: - harlot, harlot.

G4205
πόρνος
pornos
por'-nos
A (male) prostitute (as venal), that is, (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine): - fornicator, whoremonger.


I know you do not like books, but in some cases it is unavoidable and necessary, therefore my apologies for you having to read this.

This book should settle any further misunderstanding you my have on this matter.
Were all striving to gain knowledge of the truth, were in a mutual quest.

Be Blessed in Christ

Yup, scrolled right through it. Didn't read one bit. Thank God we are all saved by grace and kept the same. Amen. YOu are perfect..No need to gain any more knowledge. God forbid you make a mistake..oh I forgot...that's impossible for the self-righteous sinless and perfect. You sure your name is not Jesus.