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I've never given it any thought for several decades. Having now done so, at your prompting, I would say I am definitely saved, but I'm pretty sure I don't mean the same thing as you do by "saved". So, what do you think being saved means? Tell me that and I can answer the question on your terms.Ophiolite ... simple question ... are you saved or aren't you?
Big deal.That's one of the reasons some Christians reject OSAS, you know...
Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.TLK Valentine said:A God who loves everyone is, for all intents and purposes, no different from a God who loves no one.
Have a nice day.I've never given it any thought for several decades. Having now done so, at your prompting, I would say I am definitely saved, but I'm pretty sure I don't mean the same thing as you do by "saved". So, what do you think being saved means? Tell me that and I can answer the question on your terms.
Big deal.
Some Christians reject verbal plenary inspiration, dispensation theology, creationism, pre-trib rapture, the millennial reign of Christ, global flood, etc.
Malachi 1:3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
Do you love everyone?
I’ll be the first to admit I’m not steeped in the physical or life sciences, or science in general for that matter, but I do enjoy learning what I’m capable of through good discussion.
Having said that, it seems to me that opponent “default responses” (I’m sure there are more) concerning Creation vs. Evolution are centered on two basic premises:
a) If you are a Creationist you are automatically thought to be a YEC, you believe the Bible is 100% accurate and take everything in it literally, you are anti-science, and you are against any form of evolutionary process because you think it takes God out of the picture.
b) If you are an Evolutionist you of course believe in a very old earth based on our timescale, you think the Bible is irrelevant (even inaccurate), science trumps everything (whether you want to admit it or not, similar to a religion in that you have faith in it whether it’s assumptions are proven or not), you are against any form of Creation because it puts God in the picture above science.
In other words, whichever camp you’re in this most likely is the perception of you from the other side. So, if you like, whatever camp you are in, pick any listed “default assumption” that you think does not accurately reflect your view and elaborate on it.
This statement requires anachronistic definitions of both faith and science.Belief has no place in science.
There is no faith in the ToE (or any other scientific theory).
There are not always two sides to a story, sometimes you are just wrong.
This statement requires anachronistic definitions of both faith and science.
Faith is trust as represented by both Old and New Testament authors and doesn't intersect with knowledge whatsoever!
Science is based on empirical data and experimentation. Scientific "knowledge" is based on hundreds of presuppositions in every field.
Further you seem to be representing scientism not science.
The idea that science is the only way of gaining knowledge is self-refuting. That is why scientist died 70 years ago!
Most of the Bible is not written in Hebrew. The New Testament is 0% Hebrew. Even the Old Testament is not 100% Hebrew.It is 100% accurate if you happen to speak ancient Hebrew and understand it as they did, which no one does, so of course translations are subject to opinions......
No, you really are not. Maybe 95% for science, but definitely not 100%. This thread is a prime example of you rejecting science.It depends if we are discussing "science" or "Fairie Dust"..... I am 100% for science
The evidence would indicate that you are against evolution (which is science, by the way) because you don't understand it.No, I am against it because nothing evolves into separate species unless you incorrectly classify things. We in fact see tremendous variation "within" the species - think dogs, but we all understand they are one species.
What Bible are you referring to?Most of the Bible is not written in Hebrew. The New Testament is 0% Hebrew. Even the Old Testament is not 100% Hebrew.
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This was one of the most uninformed posts I have seen.
There is no evidence that what we call parables found in scripture are fictional.
And you are STILL posting these man-made things as a rebuttal?Or sedimentary rock in hours instead of thousands of years?
https://www.sciencealert.com/news/20090705-19095.html
Rather, when I engage in such argumentation I am generally attempting two things:
- To point out, where appropriate, that one or more of an individual's premises are faulty.
- To encourage them to explore alternate views more deeply.
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