• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Is sin really so bad?

Deadbolt

Mocker and Scoffer
Jul 19, 2007
1,019
54
40
South beloit, IL
✟23,955.00
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Sin is an artificial concept which I hold to be entirely too rigid for today's society. I do have definite ideas about right and wrong but they are not defined by what some old man who wrote the bible thousands of years ago thought. His ideas of "Right" should set off alarms. You should look at his ideas of wrong with a skeptical bent of thought.
 
Upvote 0

cantata

Queer non-theist, with added jam.
Feb 20, 2007
6,215
683
39
Oxford, UK
✟39,693.00
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
UK-Liberal-Democrats
Cmon. Its the new millenium. Can't we just let go of quaint things like guilt and sin? What good has such things really done for you, me, or anyone else anyways?

I don't think the concept of sin is a particularly helpful one. The Golden Rule is a much better and more positive way to direct one's moral decisions.
 
Upvote 0

GrayCat

I exist
Oct 23, 2007
797
82
Massachusetts
✟31,383.00
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Yeah I agree.

I don't really care if people believe what the bible says is Sin and live according to those rules, but that shouldn't be any sort of over-arching moral code in Society that everyone has to abide with. Since you've got free will and all.
 
Upvote 0

MikeMcK

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2002
9,600
654
✟13,732.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Republican
Cmon. Its the new millenium. Can't we just let go of quaint things like guilt and sin?

Next time somebody robs your house or rapes someone you love, get back to me on that one.

What good has such things really done for you, me, or anyone else anyways?

Sin has never done anybody any good at all.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasSky
Upvote 0

MikeMcK

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2002
9,600
654
✟13,732.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Republican
Yeah I agree.

I don't really care if people believe what the bible says is Sin and live according to those rules, but that shouldn't be any sort of over-arching moral code in Society that everyone has to abide with. Since you've got free will and all.

So then, you think it's OK to steal, to commit adultery, to lie, etc?
 
Upvote 0

MikeMcK

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2002
9,600
654
✟13,732.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Republican
Yeah I agree.

I don't really care if people believe what the bible says is Sin and live according to those rules, but that shouldn't be any sort of over-arching moral code in Society that everyone has to abide with. Since you've got free will and all.

So then, you think it's OK to steal, to commit adultery, to lie, etc?
 
Upvote 0

GrayCat

I exist
Oct 23, 2007
797
82
Massachusetts
✟31,383.00
Faith
Pagan
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Libertarian
Depends on the situation. When you weigh the positive consequences over the negetive and base a decision on what you project might happen. If something has larger negetive than positive, then it wouldn't be the best idea to do it, in my opinion. At least that's how i make decisions and view those of other's.
 
Upvote 0

quatona

"God"? What do you mean??
May 15, 2005
37,512
4,302
✟190,302.00
Faith
Seeker
Cmon. Its the new millenium.
I fail to see what the new millenium or numerology in general might have to do with anything.

Can't we just let go of quaint things like guilt and sin?
Apparently some can´t and some are even downright obsessed with these ideas.
What good has such things really done for you, me, or anyone else anyways?
I can´t speak for anybody else, but in my conviction they are counterproductive in regards to what I would like society to develop towards.
 
Upvote 0

MikeMcK

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2002
9,600
654
✟13,732.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Republican
Depends on the situation. When you weigh the positive consequences over the negetive and base a decision on what you project might happen. If something has larger negetive than positive, then it wouldn't be the best idea to do it, in my opinion. At least that's how i make decisions and view those of other's.

Ah, situational ethics. The good thing about situational ethics is that you can rationalize any bad behavior.

Seemed to work pretty well for the Germans in the late 30's-45.
 
Upvote 0

IzzyPop

I wear my sunglasses at night...
Jun 2, 2007
5,379
438
52
✟37,709.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Next time somebody robs your house or rapes someone you love, get back to me on that one.



Sin has never done anybody any good at all.
I guess some of us don't need a book to tell us those things are wrong. And, anyway, isn't rape allowed and even encouraged in a few places in that great book of morals?
 
Upvote 0

IzzyPop

I wear my sunglasses at night...
Jun 2, 2007
5,379
438
52
✟37,709.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Ah, situational ethics. The good thing about situational ethics is that you can rationalize any bad behavior.

Seemed to work pretty well for the Germans in the late 30's-45.
Yep. Good thing all the Christians in the area followed their absolute morals given to them by the bible and defied the Germans.:doh:
 
Upvote 0

Emmy

Senior Veteran
Feb 15, 2004
10,200
940
✟66,005.00
Faith
Salvation Army
Dear Autumnleaf. Being a Catholic, you will know God`s Love for us, and that we were made in God`s image. You will know how we strayed way from God, how we became more and more selfish, unloving/uncaring and easy targets of any worldly or satanic temptations. You will also know that God loves us enough to have sent Jesus, to reconcile us to God, and to help and guide us to become once more, as we were in the beginning. Jesus gave us 2 Commandments, which contain all 10 Commandments, which God gave us. Jesus told us to REPENT, exchange our selfish natures, into loving God, and loving others, as we love ourselves. WHY? To prepare us for eternity with God, our Heavenly Father, and our Christian brothers and sisters. SIN is everything which keeps us away from God and our original Home, and seeing that Sin is the name for all that keeps us away from God, would you still ask: " Is sin really so bad?" I say this humbly and with love, Autumnleaf, and send greetings. Emmy, your sister in Christ.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TexasSky
Upvote 0

IzzyPop

I wear my sunglasses at night...
Jun 2, 2007
5,379
438
52
✟37,709.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Okay, so Judges 21:10-24, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, 2 Samuel 12:11-14, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, and Zechariah 14:1-2, are not part of the Bible? Do I just have a bad copy or did God not grant me the 'real' one since I'm an unbeliever and all?
 
Upvote 0

MikeMcK

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2002
9,600
654
✟13,732.00
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Republican
Okay, so Judges 21:10-24, Numbers 31:7-18, Deuteronomy 20:10-14, 2 Samuel 12:11-14, Deuteronomy 21:10-14, and Zechariah 14:1-2, are not part of the Bible? Do I just have a bad copy or did God not grant me the 'real' one since I'm an unbeliever and all?

None of these say anything about encouraging rape.
 
Upvote 0