Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas?

[Souldier]

I already addressed this. All dogma can be supported by Scripture to one degree or another, in one manner or another; i.e. Scripture is "materially sufficient" for this purpose. But not necessarily convincingly, or clearly, which is why Sola Scriptura adherents sometimes disagree vehemently on relevant issues.

I think you misunderstand Sola Scripture adherents. I think they believe scripture contains all we need to follow Christ and find oneness. The scriptures teach us that the spirit will teach us all things so Sola scripture is enough. We get the spirit teacher by keeping the words of Christ which are found in scripture. That's what Christ said. However im not sure all those Sola scripture adherents believe we need a teacher because the bible says we do not. This doesnt mean we cant learn from others but it does not mean that a teacher required either, as long as we have scripture to teach us.

This takes faith, however when we begin to see how simple its all is then it it seems clear. It rejoices the hearty to see it.


At some point we must begin to believe that Christ himself will teach us. We must walk in the path of love and holiness as scriptures teach us. Thats all thats needed. Nothing more. It seems unimaginable to suggest that we dont need a teacher. Yet its true. If you sincerely desire to know the truth and if you sincerely seek it, then you will find it. Isn't that what Christ promised? Isn't it? And its far less complicated than religion will allow us to see.

We dont need to understand all mysteries yet we will seek answers anyway, but all we need is to follow Christ. He leads us where no man can take us.

 

[Souldier]

Because Church teaching is clear, reliable, sufficient, and universal. That's the reason God established her.

If you read scripture you will see that the Church will fall into apostasy in the last days. You will see Revelation also shows the truth about the Churches. Why is it so hard to believe that Christ and his words are enough? ITS NOT complicated. Its simple. Follow Paul's words and those of the Lord, follow them and don't worry about things you dont understand. Is Christ not faithful? Did he not promise that the spirit would teach us all things? Yes he did. He may not explain the mysteries of the universe to us but he will teach us what we need to know.

 

[fhansen]

I think you misunderstand Sola Scripture adherents. I think they believe scripture contains all we need to follow Christ and find oneness. The scriptures teach us that the spirit will teach us all things so Sola scripture is enough. We get the spirit teacher by keeping the words of Christ which are found in scripture. That's what Christ said. However im not sure all those Sola scripture adherents believe we need a teacher because the bible says we do not. This doesnt mean we cant learn from others but it does not mean that a teacher required either, as long as we have scripture to teach us.

This takes faith, however when we begin to see how simple its all is then it it seems clear. It rejoices the hearty to see it.


At some point we must begin to believe that Christ himself will teach us. We must walk in the path of love and holiness as scriptures teach us. Thats all thats needed. Nothing more. It seems unimaginable to suggest that we dont need a teacher. Yet its true. If you sincerely desire to know the truth and if you sincerely seek it, then you will find it. Isn't that what Christ promised? Isn't it? And its far less complicated than religion will allow us to see.

We dont need to understand all mysteries yet we will seek answers anyway, but all we need is to follow Christ. He leads us where no man can take us.

Religion is far less complicated than many believe from the outside. But, yes, the Church is meant to be a guide, as Philip was with the Eunuch. And yes, the whole purpose is to establish a relationship between the individual and God, apart from Whom we can do nothing. You just don't know how important a role the Church has already played in your faith. And yes, dogma is good. "I believe in God", one of the most important, "He rose from the dead" another. There are many. It can be contested that some are more important than others, but the church has hammered many of these out over the years-and her authority to do so has been essential.

 

[Souldier]

What dogmas do all sola scripturists hold in common which are unique from the ones they received from the Catholic Church?

I dont care what the Pope teaches, or Luther, or Calvin. Im not disrespecting those men. I think they tried to do right as best they could. I just dont think i need them to to teach me how to pray, walk in love, seek the kingdom, or follow peace with all men and holiness. The Lord teaches me all that, nothing more is needed. I dont need the confusion of theology. I just need to walk as Christ teaches, in faith.

 

[fhansen]

Yes he did. He may not explain the mysteries of the universe to us but he will teach us what we need to know.

Yes, He does.

 

[Souldier]

Religion is far less complicated than many believe from the outside. But, yes, the Church is meant to be a guide, as Philip was with the Eunuch. And yes, the whole purpose is to establish a relationship between the individual and God, apart from Whom we can do nothing. You just don't know how important a role the Church has already played in your faith. And yes, dogma is good. "I believe in God", one of the most important, "He rose from the dead" another. There are many. It can be contested that some are more important than others, but the church has hammered many of these out over the years-and her authority to do so has been essential.

I think Church has played a role in my faith, i dont deny it. However if i followed them then i would be hopelessly lost in the land of theological confusion. Instead, i seek the path of liberty and simplicity that i see paul teaching us. Im thankful for the prayers of the Church and i thankful for the ability to discuss scriptures with the brethren. It helps me learn. However i cannot follow any denomination or theology. Im following the scriptures and the spirit inside me, but im not following the church down that path of theological confusion.

 

[Souldier]

Yes, He does.

NO, what you are describing is theological confusion. OUr life is hidden in Christ, in heaven. Can you describe the mystery of heaven to me? Does any man dare to say he knows what it looks like? NO and thats why its hidden. Thats why we walk by faith not sight. Let go of all that theology stuff, its just a distraction. Its good to search for answers and dive into the scriptures. However if you follow theological rules that fallible men have given us then you will miss the blessings. You wont understand every mystery either. We just are not meant to see everything yet.

 

[topcare]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance but "Jesus" is that the person becomes his/her own instructor, hence in evangelicalism there is not any unity because anyone can say "God showed me this" or "I just rely on the Word". Christ left a Church not a disparaging group of individuals who follow their own path like many evangelicals do.

 

[Souldier]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance but "Jesus" is that the person becomes his/her own instructor, hence in evangelicalism there is not any unity because anyone can say "God showed me this" or "I just rely on the Word". Christ left a Church not a disparaging group of individuals who follow their own path like many evangelicals do.

No, the spirit is the instructor. Its Jesus promise. That is not folly.

 

[Souldier]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance but "Jesus" is that the person becomes his/her own instructor, hence in evangelicalism there is not any unity because anyone can say "God showed me this" or "I just rely on the Word". Christ left a Church not a disparaging group of individuals who follow their own path like many evangelicals do.

God showed me that i must walk in love, follow peace will all men and holiness. I must walk by faith not sight, i must seek the kingdom of heaven. Did he not show you that as well? Are we not in agreement then? So whats the problem?

 

[SpyderByte]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance but "Jesus" is that the person becomes his/her own instructor, hence in evangelicalism there is not any unity because anyone can say "God showed me this" or "I just rely on the Word". Christ left a Church not a disparaging group of individuals who follow their own path like many evangelicals do.

Why do you persist with assertions that you have been shown numerous times are false? After a while it becomes a mantra. A woefully truthless mantra...

 

[bbbbbbb]

Why do you persist with assertions that you have been shown numerous times are false? After a while it becomes a mantra. A woefully truthless mantra...

Not only that, but it becomes the door by which variant dogmas enter the church.

 

[Rick Otto]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance...

No one does that. No one claims to.
So this is either addressed to no one, or it is hostile ignorance being vented on the undeserving.

Please police your conduct. No one has accused you of following the pope all by himself. From what evil does this outlandish accusation arise?

Do something to salvage some your dignity.

 

[Albion]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance but "Jesus" is that the person becomes his/her own instructor, hence in evangelicalism there is not any unity because anyone can say "God showed me this" or "I just rely on the Word". Christ left a Church not a disparaging group of individuals who follow their own path like many evangelicals do.

You're always safe to lampoon mythical persons (as you're doing here) and to take care also to say (as you did) that it applies only to "some" of them.

But then again, it doesn't mean much, either.

 

[concretecamper]

The folly of following just Scripture all by itself without any guidance but "Jesus" is that the person becomes his/her own instructor, hence in evangelicalism there is not any unity because anyone can say "God showed me this" or "I just rely on the Word". Christ left a Church not a disparaging group of individuals who follow their own path like many evangelicals do.

Well said....what I don't understand is that people are happy with this disunity and act as if the Holy Spirit was never up for the task.

 

[Albion]

Well said....what I don't understand is that people are happy with this disunity and act as if the Holy Spirit was never up for the task.

Who here has said they're happy with disunity?

And what alternative do you offer that guarantees unity?

 

[SpyderByte]

Well said....

Well said...a comment lacking any truthfulness and having been shown in error more times than I can count....is well said....I think we can see where things lie in this discussion....

 

[fhansen]

Who here has said they're happy with disunity?

And what alternative do you offer that guarantees unity?

Um, coming under the teachings of a singular church, where unity necessarily prevails, rather than under the private interpretations of Scripture, where unity obviously doesn't prevail?

 

[Albion]

Um, coming under the teachings of a singular church, where unity necessarily prevails, rather than under the private interpretations of Scripture, where unity obviously doesn't prevail?

That would seem to be the answer. And there are many such churches--many more than churches whose policy is that everyone should follow his own "private interpretations" of Scripture.

 

[tadoflamb]

Did you pick up baptism from the Baptist churches?

Did you get Episcopal government from the Episcopal Church?

Then don't bait us by asking what Biblical doctrines we "received from the Catholic Church" and we'll get along just fine.

No, those are both protestant denominations coming well after sola scriptura was officially defined in 1577.

So, I ask again, what dogmas do all sola scripturists believe which are unique to the sola scritpurist tradition?