Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas?

[tadoflamb]

I dont care what the Pope teaches, or Luther, or Calvin. Im not disrespecting those men. I think they tried to do right as best they could. I just dont think i need them to to teach me how to pray, walk in love, seek the kingdom, or follow peace with all men and holiness. The Lord teaches me all that, nothing more is needed. I dont need the confusion of theology. I just need to walk as Christ teaches, in faith.

So, there are no dogmas held by all sola scripturists which are unique to the sola scripturist tradition?

 

[concretecamper]

Who here has said they're happy with disunity?

And what alternative do you offer that guarantees unity?

The only way to guarantee unity is submission to an earthly authority. Without it, doom is the consequence .

 

[MoreCoffee]

I am hazarding a guess here but is the table of contents of one's bible a dogma that's missing from scripture?

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Albion View Post
Who here has said they're happy with disunity?

And what alternative do you offer that guarantees unity?

The only way to guarantee unity is submission to an earthly authority. Without it, doom is the consequence .

What earthly authority would you be referring to?

Thank you kindly.

 

[concretecamper]

What earthly authority would you be referring to?

Thank you kindly.

I was responding to a question of how do you guarantee unity.....I am simply saying that an authority is needed to guarantee unity...otherwise you have chaos. Agree or disagree?

What that authority is should not affect you thoughts about the need for it or not.

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by Albion View Post
Who here has said they're happy with disunity?

And what alternative do you offer that guarantees unity?

Originally Posted by concretecamper View Post
The only way to guarantee unity is submission to an earthly authority. Without it, doom is the consequence .

Originally Posted by brinny View Post
What earthly authority would you be referring to?

Thank you kindly.

I was responding to a question of how do you guarantee unity.....I am simply saying that an authority is needed to guarantee unity...otherwise you have chaos. Agree or disagree?

What that authority is should not affect you thoughts about the need for it or not.

Not following you. Would you be so kind as to elaborate on your mention of submission to an earthly authority? What earthly authority would we be submitting to?

Thank you kindly.

 

[Albion]

I said:

Did you pick up baptism from the Baptist churches?

Did you get Episcopal government from the Episcopal Church?

Then don't bait us by asking what Biblical doctrines we "received from the Catholic Church" and we'll get along just fine.

No, those are both protestant denominations coming well after sola scriptura was officially defined in 1577.

The point that you apparently missed there is that the name chosen for any denomination doesn't, in itself, prove that that denomination has or ever had a corner on that religious concept. In your case, I was specifically referring to the insinuation that the "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic" Church of antiquity is the same as the Roman Catholic Church merely because your denomination chooses to be known by that term ("Catholic").

More important probably is the fact that the attempt to discredit the practice of Christians relying upon Scripture for doctrinal guidance came up short. The claim that there would be unity of belief if everyone joined a denomination where there was one official view on any doctrine can apply to any of hundreds of different denominations.

 

[SpyderByte]

I said:

Did you pick up baptism from the Baptist churches?

Did you get Episcopal government from the Episcopal Church?

Then don't bait us by asking what Biblical doctrines we "received from the Catholic Church" and we'll get along just fine.

The point that you apparently missed there is that the name chosen for any denomination doesn't, in itself, prove that that denomination has or ever had a corner on that religious concept. In your case, I was specifically referring to the insinuation that the "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic" Church of antiquity is the same as the Roman Catholic Church merely because your denomination chooses to be known by that term ("Catholic").

More important probably is the fact that the attempt to discredit the practice of Christians relying upon Scripture for doctrinal guidance came up short. The claim that there would be unity of belief if everyone joined a denomination where there was one official view on any doctrine can apply to any of hundreds of different denominations.

Especially considering there isn't a unity of belief in the rcc!

 

[topcare]

Well said....what I don't understand is that people are happy with this disunity and act as if the Holy Spirit was never up for the task.

Yes, it is quite perplexing. They hate the unity and love the dis-unity, even though they will swear up and down they do not and that I and we all lie.

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One thing is quite evident even if they deny it and that is the utter dislike for Traditional verifiable orthodox Christianity which unites them but we should be expect to be persecuted in such a way. James 1:12

 

[fhansen]

Especially considering there isn't a unity of belief in the rcc!

Where do you get that? The Church designates RC beliefs, no one else!!??- within creation, at least.

 

[SpyderByte]

Where do you get that? The Church designates RC beliefs, no one else!!??- within creation, at least.

I can point to many different schisms, but I'll let this say it for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDcw_-16j7Q

This is a monsignor teaching universalism. There are others I could even point to on this very site! Where rcc apologists share different views on nearly everything! The difference being the rcc absorbs it's schismatics, Protestants tend to kick them out...

 

[fhansen]

I can point to many different schisms, but I'll let this say it for me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDcw_-16j7Q

This is a monsignor teaching universalism. There are others I could even point to on this very site! Where rcc apologists share different views on nearly everything! The difference being the rcc absorbs it's schismatics, Protestants tend to kick them out...

OK?? And if I taught satanism and claimed to be Catholic would that mean the Church is divided on doctrine or dogma? Would that somehow impact the Church's claimed authority to teach???-whether or not she has any right to such claim? So I'll repeat: "The Church designates RC beliefs, no one else!!??- within creation, at least."

 

[SpyderByte]

OK?? And if I taught satanism and claimed to be Catholic would that mean the Church is divided on doctrine or dogma? Would that somehow impact the Church's claimed authority to teach???-whether or not she has any right to such claim? So I'll repeat: "The Church designates RC beliefs, no one else!!??- within creation, at least."

And yet it's teachers ignore those beliefs and teachers what they want, which was my point, which you ignored. That is disunity. Just because the higher officials tell everyone they need to follow their system, doesn't mean they do, as this video showed...

 

[fhansen]

And yet it's teachers ignore those beliefs and teachers what they want, which was my point, which you ignored. That is disunity. Just because the higher officials tell everyone they need to follow their system, doesn't mean they do, as this video showed...

NO! You'll always have humans doing that stuff, whether due to sin or simply their limitations. Infallibility is only said to be guaranteed at the level of the magisterium. Roman Catholic beliefs can be found in the Catechism. Heck, the Church doesn't even agree with everything Aquinas said for that matter.

 

[Albion]

Especially considering there isn't a unity of belief in the rcc!

This is true. And it's sufficient to debunk that particular argument. However, even if there were unity, it wouldn't mean anything to the argument that unity of belief supposedly depends on believing something that Men came up with rather than having God's word, and it alone, be one's authority.

 

[Albion]

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NO! You'll always have humans doing that stuff, whether due to sin or simply their limitations. Infallibility is only said to be guaranteed at the level of the magisterium. Roman Catholic beliefs can be found in the Catechism. Heck, the Church doesn't even agree with everything Aquinas said for that matter.

So...you're renouncing your earlier argument that unity is to be had by "coming under the teachings of a singular church, where unity necessarily prevails, rather than under the private interpretations of Scripture, where unity obviously doesn't prevail?"

Shall we agree, then, that unity is not going to be had if everyone joined one certain denomination, and this fact in turn rebuts the fond notion that Sola Scriptura is a unique cause of doctrinal disunity?

 

[SpyderByte]

So...you're renouncing your earlier argument that unity is to be had by "coming under the teachings of a singular church, where unity necessarily prevails, rather than under the private interpretations of Scripture, where unity obviously doesn't prevail?"

Shall we agree, then, that unity is not going to be had if everyone joined one certain denomination, and this fact in turn rebuts the fond notion that Sola Scriptura is a unique cause of doctrinal disagreements'disunity?

No, you don't understand! Even though the teachers of the church teach against the church, doesn't mean there is disunity in the church, just disunity with those teachers, which isn't actually disunity, because the church teachers are teaching against the church! Don't you understand Albion! /sarcasm

Eta: I wonder if they also acknowledge the sedevacanists?
Sedevacantism[bless and do not curse]is the position, held by a minority of traditionalist Catholics, that the present occupant of the papal see is not truly pope and that, for lack of a valid pope, the see has been vacant since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...CJliPonEVmZsXlnnQ&sig2=OCiVZP-Ddg1YyY0BquEtEA

 

[brinny]

Originally Posted by concretecamper View Post
Well said....what I don't understand is that people are happy with this disunity and act as if the Holy Spirit was never up for the task.

Yes, it is quite perplexing. They hate the unity and love the dis-unity, even though they will swear up and down they do not and that I and we all lie.

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One thing is quite evident even if they deny it and that is the utter dislike for Traditional verifiable orthodox Christianity which unites them but we should be expect to be persecuted in such a way. James 1:12

Who is "they"? I'm referring to your 2nd sentence.

Thank you kindly.

 

[SpyderByte]

Who is "they"? I'm referring to your 2nd sentence.

Thank you kindly.

Anyone who isn't a Roman Catholic. Don't expect to much of a response from top care. I think he pretty much ignores all except other Roman Catholics now...

 

[topcare]

BTW way the original question has never been answered:

Is Scripture MISSING Dogmas?

Of course not there are ma's all over the place in Scripture. Eve,Sarah, Ruth, Elizabeth, etc were all ma's and dogs are in the NT