Is Remaining in Illness God's Will?

[Living in the Light]

Don’t you love these long, twisted misinterpretations of scripture just to try to prove an obviously erroneous point? I'll say it again (because it so irritating to some), scripture is so simple you have to have help (with long, twisted misinterpretations) to misunderstand it.

Isn't genius making the complex simple? It seems like you are right. Some like the take the simple and make it complex.

 

[Frogster]

Don’t you love these long, twisted misinterpretations of scripture just to try to prove an obviously erroneous point? I'll say it again (because it so irritating to some), scripture is so simple you have to have help (with long, twisted misinterpretations) to misunderstand it.

I totally agree with u Jim. I guess they think paul was impervious to illness, even though it says illness in Gal 4, and infirmities as u have point out over and over and over here in 2 cor 12.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Don’t you love these long, twisted misinterpretations of scripture just to try to prove an obviously erroneous point? I'll say it again (because it so irritating to some), scripture is so simple you have to have help (with long, twisted misinterpretations) to misunderstand it.

That's even better than when you sigh

 

[~RENEE~]

sickness IS NOT in the will of God in fact His word clearly states that healing is in His will

 

[K2K]

Many use the example of the thorn in Paul's side as Scriptural proof that sometimes its God's will that Christians remain with chronic illnesses. My view is that the thorn in his side was a demonic being tormenting Paul because of the phrase "messenger (same Greek word meaning angel) of Satan" used in the text. People remain in illness because they do not ask in faith for healing. In the Bible, we don't see people remaining in illness, but rather healed!

What's your view? Is it Gods will that some remain in illnesses?

Isn't there a conection mentioned between illness and demonic presence?

 

[Leap]

Many use the example of the thorn in Paul's side as Scriptural proof that sometimes its God's will that Christians remain with chronic illnesses. My view is that the thorn in his side was a demonic being tormenting Paul because of the phrase "messenger (same Greek word meaning angel) of Satan" used in the text. People remain in illness because they do not ask in faith for healing. In the Bible, we don't see people remaining in illness, but rather healed!

What's your view? Is it Gods will that some remain in illnesses?

God is a God of Justice, and Justice means that consequences follow causes. To expect God to break that chain is to expect God to be Unjust! So if you are ill (as I am, suffering from agoraphobia now for 4 years) the onus is upon us to find out what is causing our illness and act upon that if we are able.

 

[Frogster]

Isn't there a conection mentioned between illness and demonic presence?

not always.

timothy was frequently ill, 1 tim 5.

 

[K2K]

sickness IS NOT in the will of God in fact His word clearly states that healing is in His will

I remember reading that He is our healer, but does He always want people healed? Perhaps He needs to point out their rebelion to them first.

Simply Putt want a single verse that indicated that He didn't want people healed.

Is 6:10

"Render the hearts of this people insensitive, their ears dull, and their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and return and be healed.

Of course there is alway a silly person that will say something like 'It doesn't actually say that He doesn't want them healed', but God gave the instruction to "RENDER THE HEARTS OF THIS PEOPLE INSENSITIVE... OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT... RETURN AND BE HEALED.

So we need to ask our selves who are those people that God commanded that their hearts be made insensitive.

Well, it was those that did not turn to Him, you can tell that by the fact that it said "Otherwise they might... return'

We need to start seeking God, and keep seeking Him. The Israelites didn't do that. They did seek the Lord at times, but always turned from following Him. And for those people He wanted their hearts rendered insensitive so that they would not turn to Him for healing.

So as for those people that think God always wants everyone heal, think again. He wants people listening to Him and seeking Him. But if they are not going to continue seeking Him, then what?

That message is for me, as it is for anyone that seeks the voice of the Lord. It is a warning that we need to keep following Him, and going back to trying to living by your own understanding just makes your heart insensitive, your ears dull, your eyes dim. And so we see Christians sick, injured, and not getting healed.

And if you follow thar verse (Is 6:9,10) you will find Jesus quoted it many times as recorded in the gospels. It is the excuss He used for teaching the people in parables.



YOU ASK THE PAINTER WHAT HE IS PAINTING AND HE WILL TELL YOU HE IS PAINTING A BOAT. YET AS YOU WATCH HIM PAINT YOU WILL CLEARLY SEE A CLOUD DEVELOPE, SO YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE MEANT. HOWEVER IF YOU WATCHED LONG ENOUGH YOU WILL SEE THAT HE IS INDEED PAINTING A LIFE SAVING BOAT ON THE SEA WITH A CLOUD IN THE SKY.
SO IT IS THAT YOU DON’T ALWAYS UNDERSTAND WHAT GOD IS DOING WHEN YOU SEE THE CLOUD, BUT HE IS MAKING BOAT ON THE SEA JUST TO SAVE YOU.

 

[Christophercbm]

God allows physical ailments and there is no getting around it. There are millions of tombstones to prove it. God can heal people and if he does, praise him and rejoice, but it is still only delaying the inevitable. You will live to die another day.

Rom_5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

You may say God wants us to die of old age, and that is fine because God does grant people many years, but the facts are, a number has never killed anyone, its the decay and the breakdown of the body that ultimately gets us.

Back in Genesis people lived to be hundreds of years old, so in a sense, these days we all die young.

 

[probinson]

Don’t you love these long, twisted misinterpretations of scripture just to try to prove an obviously erroneous point?

Not really. That's why I've stopped reading and responding to most of your posts.

 

[simendem]

God does not want us to suffer.

The reason we suffer is so that we will correct ourselves from our sinful ways. Many people don't realize the correlation between sin and disease but it is immense, and if you repent from your sins, your diseases will go away!

I was allergic to grass for many years and I was pondering why grass and an experience popped into my head. I was 9 years old and I left a metal toy airplane out on the grass and my brother slid on it, cutting open his leg. He had to get stitches and blamed my mom for it when in fact it was my fault. I felt guilty ever since as well as being allergic to grass. Once I told my brother sorry and that it was my fault, I haven't been allergic to grass since.

I was allergic to cats for a long time and was pondering why and an experience popped into my head. When I was younger, my older bro would bully me and I would take my anger out on my cat. I apologized to Jesus Christ about being mean to my cat and haven't been allergic to cats since.

I was allergic to trees for many years and was pondering why and an experience popped into my head. I was on a rope swing and my brothers friend accidentally swung me into the tree. It didn't hurt that much and he said sorry but I wanted him to get in trouble for it anyways. Once I apologized to the Lord for not forgiving him, I stopped being allergic to trees.

I had Crohn's Disease for 4 years and was pondering why and an experience popped into my head. 4 years earlier I had been really depressed when a vast majority of my friends turned on me and started hating me because I went to a college party and they were all against drinking. I lost all motivation to live and decided to that I wouldn't care about myself at all and only focus on helping others. Once I forgave myself for hating myself, my Crohn's Disease disappeared and I can eat any food I want without ending up in the hospital.

I realized that sneezing means you should have said something when you didn't and your body is trying to let out the words you should have said.

I realized autoimmune diseases means there's something you hold against yourself that you need to forgive and your body shows this by attacking itself.

But most importantly, accept Jesus Christ to be your savior and pray! All this has helped me grow into a person I never thought could exist. God bless.

 

[~RENEE~]

if you feel like you are doing something or need to learn a lesson by being sick then please STOP going to the doctor as by doing so you are sinning.

 

[Faulty]

if you feel like you are doing something or need to learn a lesson by being sick then please STOP going to the doctor as by doing so you are sinning.

Since you are proclaiming what God considers a sin, would you mind providing that verse you drew this conclusion form concerning Gods point of view?

 

[~RENEE~]

if it is God's will for you to be sick and you go to the doctor to stop being sick then you ARE going against the will of God which is sin.

 

[Faulty]

if it is God's will for you to be sick and you go to the doctor to stop being sick then you ARE going against the will of God which is sin.

And if its His will I'm sick but He wants me to go to the doctor? Wouldn't I be sinning by not going?

 

[Source Scripture]

Speaking of doctors, I have heard people say that all sickness is of the devil. That's not true, because many have reversed illness by a change in diet, we can't drive off the devil with diet, as also Paul's natural remedy to Timothy, drink a little wine for your infirmities. Source Scripture.

 

[~RENEE~]

if God wants you sick then He wants you sick if He says go to the doctor then He don't want you sick.

BTW I for one do believe there are times when God uses doctors. In fact my son is havin surgery this comin Friday.

 

[Source Scripture]

if God wants you sick then He wants you sick if He says go to the doctor then He don't want you sick.

BTW I for one do believe there are times when God uses doctors. In fact my son is havin surgery this comin Friday.

I pray all goes well, be blessed. Source.

 

[JimB]

if God wants you sick then He wants you sick if He says go to the doctor then He don't want you sick.

BTW I for one do believe there are times when God uses doctors. In fact my son is havin surgery this comin Friday.

I pray all goes well, be blessed. Source.

Me too.



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[JimB]

if it is God's will for you to be sick and you go to the doctor to stop being sick then you ARE going against the will of God which is sin. (emphasis mine , jimb)

"IF"is the key word here, Renee. The Apostle said that we are to “prove’ what the will of God is—“Don’t copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect” Romans 12.2—which tells me that we don’t always know what God’s will is in any given situation because God is transforming us daily into new person. Some think this happens instantly, the moment we are saved, but I am not one of them. God is transforming me precept upon precept, here a little and there a little, from glory to glory, from faith to faith, day by day and I am still “learning learn to know God’s will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect.” Unfortunately, I learn some things only the hard way—by choosing my will over God’s and suffering the consequences. God is at work in me both to will and do his good pleasure (Phil. 2.13).

So, if I am sick and have prayed about it and yet I remain sick, of course I will go to the doctor because I believe that God heals in many ways, including through medicine. I once heard a Pentecostal evangelist wisely say that if he had a migraine, he would pray for healing but he would also take aspirins until the healing came. Me too. And, IMO, that would not be a sin nor would it be going against God's will. It would be me once again "learning" what his will is. It would be wisdom.