Is Presdient Bush A Racist?

[Gracchus]

Charging George W. Bush with racism is like charging Atilla the Hun with flicking boogers.

What he has done, and what he is still doing, is far more reprehensible than racism

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[k]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030115-7.html

I said has taken a role towards ending, not that he has ended.

Ah...the ole' Myth about Aff. Act. being a "racist" program. So, I'm guessing the charge here is that AA is racist against Whites? LOL....the #1 benefactor of AA is WHITE WOMEN!!!

That link only supports what I said about him denying the existence of racism.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/American-Apartheid-Education1sep05.htm

That article highlights some of the facts.

It's strange...it seems many who oppose AA only offer opinions while those who support it do so on the basis of EVIDENCE.

 

[k]

They have at least as much integrity as any other people or politicians.

1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

So again I ask what is it you require of them in order to accept them?

Look, I already know the answer and have all along. You object to them having different politics. In order for you to accept them as fully black you need for them to toe the "oppressed" line of thinking. The fact is they're too busy being doers and movers to waste their time with that. They don't have time to feel sorry for themselves and don't need for whites or blacks to feel sorry for them. They are not beholden to anybody. They don't have the "pepetual victim mentality" that so many, both black and white, seem to have. They tend to pander to the better instincts of people rather than the baser instincts. Its probably the reason they're Republicans and not Democrats.

"When Rice was growing up, her father stood guard at the entrance of her neighborhood with a rifle to keep the Klan's nightriders away. But that was outside the bubble. Inside the bubble, Rice was sitting at the piano in pretty dresses to play Bach fugues. It sounds like a wonderful childhood, but one that left her able to see the impact that race has in America -- able to examine it and analyze it -- but not to feel it."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/24/AR2005102401370.html

She was raised as a sell-out so in part, she is not fully at fault. Anyone who knows anything about Bull Connor will realize the immediate impact of this piece.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200509/s1456650.htm

Powell regrets making the UN speech because most of us realize he was the ONLY one in the Admin who had a smidgen of credibility to take to the table. I have heard many people base their initial support on the Iraq War directly on Powell's words. He may regret doing what he did, but he sold out every Soldier, and he knows it.

 

[Scribbler]

I think losing 4 of her friends to a Klansman's bomb might qualify as 'feeling it', Neverstop.

 

[The_Horses_Boy]

Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding something, but it seems to me like people are saying that "Rice and Powell are sellouts to the black race." ... Are they supposed to have some loyalty to the black race? Perhaps that might sound like an odd question to ask, but perhaps we can turn it around: am I supposed to have a loyalty to the white race?

If I've just misunderstood, which I can see as likely being the case, please explain to me how they are sellouts, because before one can be a sellout one must first have a loyalty to such a group. Did they have loyalty to the black race, besides the assumed, in which case I ought to, by the same measurements, have a loyalty to the white race? (boy doesn't that phrase sound familiar)

 

[Scribbler]

(boy doesn't that phrase sound familiar)

Yeah, I imagine Robert Byrd has used it once or twice...

 

[Gracchus]

Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding something, but it seems to me like people are saying that "Rice and Powell are sellouts to the black race." ... Are they supposed to have some loyalty to the black race? Perhaps that might sound like an odd question to ask, but perhaps we can turn it around: am I supposed to have a loyalty to the white race?

If I've just misunderstood, which I can see as likely being the case, please explain to me how they are sellouts, because before one can be a sellout one must first have a loyalty to such a group. Did they have loyalty to the black race, besides the assumed, in which case I ought to, by the same measurements, have a loyalty to the white race? (boy doesn't that phrase sound familiar)

Actually, they are sellouts to the human race. If you are going to be loyal to a race, then I think that the human race should have priority. But that's just me.

 

[Doctrine1st]

They have at least as much integrity as any other people or politicians.

1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

So again I ask what is it you require of them in order to accept them?

Look, I already know the answer and have all along. You object to them having different politics. In order for you to accept them as fully black you need for them to toe the "oppressed" line of thinking. The fact is they're too busy being doers and movers to waste their time with that. They don't have time to feel sorry for themselves and don't need for whites or blacks to feel sorry for them. They are not beholden to anybody. They don't have the "pepetual victim mentality" that so many, both black and white, seem to have. They tend to pander to the better instincts of people rather than the baser instincts. Its probably the reason they're Republicans and not Democrats.

Well then sir your answer is completely out in left freakin field.

Please, please, don't be so presumptuous to put words in mouth, or thoughts in my mind which I AM NOT THINKING.

I have NEVER said I don't accept them as who they are including their race. You asked why and I gave you a concise answer that didn’t include and had nothing to do with their race, nor what they should be doing as African Americans other than maintaining their integrity. I said I call them "sellouts" because of their lack of integrity in the same vein I have continually took exception with the rest of the administration that includes them. They are sellouts on a daily basis as well. I call them sellouts to America, which includes African Americans. No doubt there is great dissappointment in the AA community not because politics, heck, we really don't know their personal politics other than picking a few comments out from interviews. The dissatisfactions come from being a willing cog of deception. My posts here speak for themselves as how I have issue with integrity and the WHOLE Bush admin and his congress. Not only that, you confuse the responsibilities Whitehouse Cabinet members as a civil rights worker. No one expects that out of them in their capacity, that’s not their function. Not once have I mentioned anything about an oppressed line of thinking. Not once have mentioned any race feeling sorry for themsevles. Moreover, they are beholden to their superiors, and once again Powell’s regrets speaks volumes, and I’m sure once Condi is out of office, you may hear statements of the same. I'm baffled why you would ask a question, to which I answered more than once here, yet you reject my response, and then run off on some tangent to answer the question you asked me. You assume since they are Republicans then they have the cookie cutter dittohead mentality; you sir are quite wrong to assume that and have no idea who or what they are about.

Please stop assuming.

 

[arnegrim]

Yep, keep talking, it only serves to drive blacks further away from the Republican party. Why do people even ask the question if they think they know better than black people in the first place?

What has the Democratic Party done for minorities in the US?

 

[k]

What has the Democratic Party done for minorities in the US?

Both parties exploit and keep the minority groups down.

 

[k]

I think losing 4 of her friends to a Klansman's bomb might qualify as 'feeling it', Neverstop.

She did not lose 4 friends...that's a myth. At best, she knew one of the girls who died in that tragedy. Rice was 9 years old at the time. So, I suggest before addressing me personally in the form of emotional hyperbole, at the very least, get the facts right.

 

[k]

Perhaps I'm just misunderstanding something, but it seems to me like people are saying that "Rice and Powell are sellouts to the black race." ... Are they supposed to have some loyalty to the black race? Perhaps that might sound like an odd question to ask, but perhaps we can turn it around: am I supposed to have a loyalty to the white race?

If I've just misunderstood, which I can see as likely being the case, please explain to me how they are sellouts, because before one can be a sellout one must first have a loyalty to such a group. Did they have loyalty to the black race, besides the assumed, in which case I ought to, by the same measurements, have a loyalty to the white race? (boy doesn't that phrase sound familiar)

They are sell-outs to the Constitution which promises equal protection of the Law for EVERYONE. Their ethnicities do play a role but it is not one that places AAs higher than other Americans.

Instead, they have allowed themselves to be used as tokens and tools of the Establishment that perpetuates discrimination. Powell sold out every soldier; he knows it, and their races are wholly irrelevant.

 

[Alarum]

I don't hold with the entire racial sell out theory. A person cannot sell out a melanin concentration, anymore then bias based on melanin concentration is at all logical.

 

[SallyNow]

Pres. Bush may not have a lot of foresight. He may lack an ability to really deal with an urgent issue without delegating to some shaky personalities. He may even not be that good at keeping a handle on the economy. He may not understand the plight and the problems of the working poor. He may even be undiplmomatic and unaware when dealing with other nations.

He may be a lot of things, but I doubt highly he is a racist. I don't know the guy personally, but he really does seem to support diversity in backgrounds. I think it can be safely said that Pres. Bush doesn't appear make judgements based on race when it comes to political decisions, and probably doesn't wish any ill to minorities. He supports guest workers and immigrants.

It really looks like Pres. Bush respects people based on what they choose to think and do, not on biological factors. Now, I may not agree on what he thinks is correct thinking or correct doings, but I strongly believe that Pres. Bush is not a racist.

 

[Scribbler]

She did not lose 4 friends...that's a myth. At best, she knew one of the girls who died in that tragedy. Rice was 9 years old at the time. So, I suggest before addressing me personally in the form of emotional hyperbole, at the very least, get the facts right.

Well, forgive me, Neverstop. Rice herself claimed she knew three of the girls and was friends with one of them. Sounds like your facts weren't any straighter than mine. And if losing her friend isn't 'feeling it' enough for you, then the emotional hyperbole is on your end. Just because her parents raised her to be overcomer instead of a victim hardly means she didn't feel what was going on. I suspect if the Klan had burned a cross on her lawn, you'd accuse her parents of closing the drapes.

 

[ballfan]

maintaining their integrity.

You have yet to explain what you mean. How do they not maintain their integrity? You're playing dodgeball with the issue.

I think my previous remarks were right on target. Blacks who vary from the "oppressed victim mentality" are considered "Uncle Toms" and sellouts. That type thinking does more to keep blacks down than anything the white man could ever do.

 

[SummerMadness]

Blacks who vary from the "oppressed victim mentality" are considered "Uncle Toms" and sellouts.

That's not true, being successful doesn't make people believe a person is a sell-out. One comment in an article posted here was that Frederick Douglass was part of the system and because of that, he was able to advance the cause of removing some of the racism and bigotry endemic in American society. Condoleezza Rice claims she is part of the system, the only problem is that she doesn't do the second part, advance the cause to remove racism and bigotry endemic in American society. Now of course that racism is not as bad as before, but it still exists, thus pretending that it's not there is what people deem as selling out. This has nothing to do with success.

I look at that as a deliberate mischaracterization because the person that referred to Powell and Rice as house slaves was himself successful, thus you're just making stuff up now. Being successful is not equated with selling out. Forgetting where you came from or ignoring your past is deemed selling out. Right or wrong, many see Rice as someone who forgets where she came from, Powell actually isn't seen that way, but Iraq is what truly destroyed his credibility.

 

[praying]

I think my previous remarks were right on target. Blacks who vary from the "oppressed victim mentality" are considered "Uncle Toms" and sellouts. That type thinking does more to keep blacks down than anything the white man could ever do.

And you know this how? Are legions of black folks approaching you and saying I have a victim mentality and those brothers and sisters are sellouts because they are sucessful.


I would like to know how people make these determinations about blacks?

 

[Fineous_Reese]

seems to me that perception is key. folks that write scathing things about Ms Condoleeza Rice and Mr Colin Powell are in that sense no better than folks that burn crosses on the yards of families they don't like. they see something in these people that offends them at some level and the reaction is an emotion and physical one.

if it's thought that burning crosses and scathing commentary are not equal, just realize that the commentary is more subtle and insidious, just like the subtle, insidous modern day racism it's supposed to be fighting.

in other words, take care to not become the monster being fought.

 

[SummerMadness]

And you know this how? Are legions of black folks approaching you and saying I have a victim mentality and those brothers and sisters are sellouts because they are sucessful.


I would like to know how people make these determinations about blacks?

It's just a great big assumption. I myself ask this question because I have no idea where this idea comes from, it's as if someone says, "Black people have a victim mentality," and everyone believes it. Or it probably comes from the attitude that once a person mentions the existence of racism today, they are pretending to be a victim. I think that view is foolish, there is racism, that doesn't mean you are a victim for recognizing it.