Is Presdient Bush A Racist?

[praying]

calling Rice and Powell "sell-outs" is just another form of racism.

That is quite a stretch.

 

[The_Horses_Boy]

They are sell-outs to the Constitution which promises equal protection of the Law for EVERYONE. Their ethnicities do play a role but it is not one that places AAs higher than other Americans.

Instead, they have allowed themselves to be used as tokens and tools of the Establishment that perpetuates discrimination. Powell sold out every soldier; he knows it, and their races are wholly irrelevant.

Sorry I am *so* late on posting.

I think that you take "equal protection" too far. Do mass murderers and law-abiding citizens deserve truly equal protection from everything, including perhaps the death penalty (or better yet: punishment)? I don't think so.

What equal protection is supposed to be about is equal protection of the law. If the law does not protect me but does protect a black from discrimination then that is not equal protection, that is a direct violation of it.

 

[arnegrim]

That is quite a stretch.

When you malign someone because of their race... that would be racist.

If Rice and Powell were white, they wouldn't be called 'sell-outs'... so it is a racist remark.

 

[Doctrine1st]

When you malign someone because of their race... that would be racist.

If Rice and Powell were white, they wouldn't be called 'sell-outs'... so it is a racist remark.

George Bush is called a sellout all the time. For example the Christo-nazis say he doens't go far enough; while others call him a sellout for selling out American interests. I call him and his staff a sellout all the time. I consider Condi Rice a sellout. It has nothing to do with race.

 

[praying]

When you malign someone because of their race... that would be racist.

If Rice and Powell were white, they wouldn't be called 'sell-outs'... so it is a racist remark.

Well I have to say I disagree. Saying someone is a sellout does not mean you think you are better than them and a feeling of superiority is part and parcel of racism. Just because the reference is color does not necessarily make something racist.

 

[Scribbler]

George Bush is called a sellout all the time. For example the Christo-nazis say he doens't go far enough; while others call him a sellout for selling out American interests. I call him and his staff a sellout all the time. I consider Condi Rice a sellout. It has nothing to do with race.

Well, then, it's official. Everyone in the world is a sellout.

 

[Doctrine1st]

Well, then, it's official. Everyone in the world is a sellout.

Not really, you will notice that they all have a commonality.

 

[SummerMadness]

This thread seems to have degrraded into another attempt to make black people into vehement racists. To me it comes across as, "If I can say that black people are racist, then any racism committed by white people will cancel out. If blacks people are racist and white people are racist, then no one is racist, thus any problems that blacks do have will not be because of racism." Flawed logic at its best.

 

[Alarum]

I agree. You would hope for it to be the reverse but too often success equals selling out. And as you point out its not just a black problem as it crosses racial lines.

But when blacks do it, in your world, it becomes a racial problem. That's racism. Racism is when white people do something, and black people do the same thing and for white people its called one thing (and frankly, usually ignored) and for black people its discussed like its some horrible problem - when, in fact, it's the exact same thing.

Racists rarely 'make up' problems. Human beings, no matter what the color of their skin, are good at making problems. Racism is saying that the bad apples of one color are bad apples, and the bad apples of another color are indicitive of a racial trend.

 

[k]

Now we're finally getting down to it. You disagree with something they did politically so to you that means they lack integrity and are sellouts. This is right where we started. Opinions of blacks cannot vary or be different without them becoming sellouts. You question their integrity but posted something above that is completely false. Does that mean you don't have integrity either?


"This goes for them, and everyone else who made that talk show circuit reciting information that as not only credibility false, but readily debunked from the start."

Thats simply not true. It may have proved out false later after the war but couldn't be debunked from the start. Too much intelligence pointed to Saddam having WMD. Even some people in Saddam's inner circle thought Iraq had at least some of these weapons. What you're doing is using 20/20 hindsight on opinions that before the war you had no idea on their correctness.

It's not hindsight because MANY MANY of us were saying prior to March 03' that WMDs did not exist....so how could all of us be right?

I'm only aware of ONE General from Saddam's circle corroborating Bush's "reason" and guess what??? For some strange reason he is not in prison, not charged w/ a crime, and is free to travel the world.

 

[k]

Its not like its exactly a secret. You haven't seen reports of black kids making good grades in school and being accused of trying to be white? To them being sucessful is selling out.

This is a minor theory w/o much credibility to it and it has nothing to do w/ Rice/Powell being sell-outs. There are MANY minorities who are highly successful that are not sell-outs.

 

[k]

Sorry I am *so* late on posting.

I think that you take "equal protection" too far. Do mass murderers and law-abiding citizens deserve truly equal protection from everything, including perhaps the death penalty (or better yet: punishment)? I don't think so.

Seems to be a bad non-sequitur because EPL does not mean people do not get convicted of crime. It means everyone charge w/ a crime is tried under the same laws, w/ equal protection. Meaning, Due Process cannot be applied to A and not applied to B.

What equal protection is supposed to be about is equal protection of the law. If the law does not protect me but does protect a black from discrimination then that is not equal protection, that is a direct violation of it.

Is this in reference to AA? If so, who is AA Racist against?

It seems we need to clarify exactly what "Racism" means. Before someone or something can be racist it must produce BOTH prejudice AND harm to an entire race, not just a few individualls.

Many people use the word "racism" in the singular context w/ realzing it's a plural word.

 

[Doctrine1st]

Now we're finally getting down to it. You disagree with something they did politically so to you that means they lack integrity and are sellouts. This is right where we started. Opinions of blacks cannot vary or be different without them becoming sellouts. You question their integrity but posted something above that is completely false. Does that mean you don't have integrity either?

To be a willing participant to invoke war despite what the evidence indicated; is more than a political disagreement. It’s taking a stand on immoral and unethical behavior. Exactly how many sources do you need that come from the CIA, Britain Intel, and Whitehouse officials to break your confirmation bias that they did indeed fix the facts around policy? History proves this is correct, and once out of power it will be obvious as the nose on your face.

This has nothing to do with the skin color you have so fixated in your mind. This is not a political disagreement. This is not about where the tax breaks should go, this is about honesty and integrity to which time in and time out means nothing to your misfits in office.

Thats simply not true. It may have proved out false later after the war but couldn't be debunked from the start. Too much intelligence pointed to Saddam having WMD. Even some people in Saddam's inner circle thought Iraq had at least some of these weapons. What you're doing is using 20/20 hindsight on opinions that before the war you had no idea on their correctness.

Pure de crap, read the NIE report. Read the comments from the Energy Department.

They hard sold everything they wished to take the talk show route and mentioned nothing about all those agencies that debunked their claims in which they were fully aware. That’s including Iraqi insiders, weapon inspectors, and IAEA. That is called cherry picking, which is deception, which is a human characteristic that flies in the face of integrity.

I guess you're never going to answer what their positions are now are you?

That's ok, I know you didn't know what you were talking about, and so did you.

 

[Fineous_Reese]

That is quite a stretch.

is it? how much racism is ok? how much too much?

I think most people (at least the intelligent ones) don't believe the president hates minorities, but they see his policies as ones that perpetrate racism.

They look at Rice and Powell as sellouts (actually most don't have as negative a view of Powell) because they see them as not being helpful as they are never behind policies that would help uplift the minority community.

what would a white man be called were he to be behind policies that uplift the white community?

 

[TheReasoner]

Bush is a lot of things.
I do not, however, think that he appears racist.

 

[arnegrim]

Well I have to say I disagree. Saying someone is a sellout does not mean you think you are better than them and a feeling of superiority is part and parcel of racism. Just because the reference is color does not necessarily make something racist.

I disagree. The instant you bring 'color' or 'race' into the subject it becomes a racial one... otherwise there is no need to bring up 'color' or 'race'.

 

[arnegrim]

what would a white man be called were he to be behind policies that uplift the white community?

Grand Dragon?

 

[praying]

is it? how much racism is ok? how much too much?

I was saying that I didn't believe it to be racism at all.

what would a white man be called were he to be behind policies that uplift the white community?

Depends on his purpose.

 

[Alarum]

Look, it's not that I don't think Rice is a sell out. It's that I don't think she sold out a melanin concentration. It's that I think she sold out something I care far more deeply about - America.

The entire Bush administration has sold out America. Getting us into a pointless war, misleading us on WMDs, and not having the flat guts to face us and say "We were wrong, we screwed up." And you know why they don't do that? It's because they don't think they're wrong.

They sold out the trust we put in them, the trust that our soldiers would be going off to fight the terrorists, digging out Osama, killing the people who were actively trying to kill us. That's what they sold out. The American people. And I can and will call them all sell outs for that.

 

[Doctrine1st]

Look, it's not that I don't think Rice is a sell out. It's that I don't think she sold out a melanin concentration. It's that I think she sold out something I care far more deeply about - America.

The entire Bush administration has sold out America. Getting us into a pointless war, misleading us on WMDs, and not having the flat guts to face us and say "We were wrong, we screwed up." And you know why they don't do that? It's because they don't think they're wrong.

They sold out the trust we put in them, the trust that our soldiers would be going off to fight the terrorists, digging out Osama, killing the people who were actively trying to kill us. That's what they sold out. The American people. And I can and will call them all sell outs for that.

Amen, and my whole argument.

Yet for some reason, even though I as black man, am being told the real reason I call them sellouts because of race and the fact they put an 'R' in their stated political party.

I guess I missed the memo at the last "Blacks of America" convention were we nominated Harry Belafonte to be the spokesmen for all of us.