Is Once Saved Always Saved Biblical?

[corinth77777]

Religion vs. Relationship

Partly -Religion is something you have to do or don't do to be saved....

Relationship- is someone you must trust in.


Religion
The reason I was a pharasee-and what it leads to.

As I tried to get across earlier
Many of us were evangelized...with part of the Gospel.

The part I believe that showed why we should trust Him..

-because He died for our sins and arose from the dead , was seen, and is at the right hand of the father.

But instead...for many of us it boiled down to religiosity....Because religious people end up judging people by what they do or don't do.

And for many, if you only heard part of the Gospel-That Jesus died for your sins, was buried and arose from the dead.(as the foundation)

This accumulates to something "you" must do to be saved. The something you must do is what you must believe Jesus did

So what is it You must do they tell you when they evangelize people?

They tell you that you must believe Jesus died for your sins and arose...and if you believe this you are saved.

Have the lights came on yet...

So what is it you are doing for your salvation? You yourself must believe something Jesus did.
So where does this place you? Yes, Under the Religion category.

For you are now responsible for your own Justification...because now you are made responsible for your own salvation..(this falls under working for salvation)

Do you see that if you must believe something He did to be true...it actually puts you under works salvation......and now you may be judging others.

Because you do or do not do -by believing something that another does not.

Why does this lead to Pharaseeism? Because you have become righteous by your works[you do something they don't do- by believing something they don't in the same order]

This is where the haulty Spirit comes from. You feel they are hell bound and you are heaven. That's why we think we can talk to people and make our shrude comments...

But on the other hand there is the fuller side of the the Gospel where we put a face to the kingdom message.

And it's starts in Mark 1:14 Jesus came preaching the Gospel of the kingdom...

Verse 15 And saying, The time is fullfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent and believe the gospel.

WHAT? WHAT IS THE GOOD NEWS?
THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND?

Now have your eyes been open?

If you put these perspective good newes together you get.........Jesus is King to rule and everything you need including forgiveness of sin is In His name...

With this said- First believe who He is with the intention to trust Him as king, Lord, Son of God, Teacher, master...etc Then you will find everything you need for this life in Him.

He came from God...the miracles done were to prove who He was.....in order to See Him for who He is and believe.

"That by believing they might be saved"

Now if you have put that together you would see where forgiveness of sin comes from...It comes from Jesus....

Another words if you believe who He is...your sins are capable of being forgiven.........And they can continue after being saved[born from above] regenerated with a new type of life, to be forgiven as you remain in the one who remits sin.

Relationship is who we are trusting, in order to become like Him...changing our hearts...

Having our heart cleanse and bodies sprinkled clean...dont quote me..but look it up in Hebrews

You ever heard the quote bad company corrupts good morals.....well think what good company does...
While Religion is what you do that makes you look good before others...but it's empty...because the heart has not been cleansed or changed that makes what you say are do full.........

If you been enlighten here you may come to see what people call the Roman Road......it's that the change that's happening in a man will outwardly confirm what's in His heart by His deeds,word...etc

This is why He tells the pharasees first make the inside of the cup clean then the outside will be clean as well. And it's not what goes in the body that defiles it but what comes out, or first make the tree good and then it's fruit will be.

 

[rwe2156]

I agree with all you said, and I am a believer in eternal security. And I do think a lot of people have jumped ahead and are confident they possess something but their only understanding what is behind it is their "testimony".

I spend 20 years in the Baptist church, 5 as an ordained Deacon, so I've seen the altar calls and I've heard the "testimonies" and I've seen a lot of them fall away - come to church a few weeks and never be seen again.

I believe OSAS (aka eternal security) is turned into false doctrine by some people b/c they do not understand HOW they became a child of God (like you said they've jumped ahead).

To them I say "you can't lose what you never had, either." My next question is how to you understand you were saved?

One thing our church never did was disciple a new believer. We stuck them in a Sunday School class, but we desperately needed to appoint them a spiritual mentor, especially those who have some baggage or a backround that will keep pulling them to darkeness.

After those years of being a deacon and listening to people's "testimonies", I've come to believe that all our testimonies are the same = "something happened and I'm forever changed".

I love Paul's description "I have been crucified in Christ, it's no longer I that live, but Christ that lives in me. And the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who died for ME".[my paraphrase]

It is by grace, lest any man boast. But I see that in conditional salvation - their salvation depends on their maintaining it, which leads to all kinds of false doctrine like sinlessness, man-centered evangelism.

I truly believe the reason American Christianity is dying is b/c of false teaching & man-centered evangelism, both of which lead to a counterfeit salvation.

Speaking for myself, I know I will never totally understand "why me" but I will forever be in search of the God who did. 25 years of this let me smack into election, but that's a rabbit hole nobody wants to go down LOL.

 

[corinth77777]

I agree with all you said, and I am a believer in eternal security. And I do think a lot of people have jumped ahead and are confident they possess something but their only understanding what is behind it is their "testimony".

I spend 20 years in the Baptist church, 5 as an ordained Deacon, so I've seen the altar calls and I've heard the "testimonies" and I've seen a lot of them fall away - come to church a few weeks and never be seen again.

I believe OSAS (aka eternal security) is turned into false doctrine by some people b/c they do not understand HOW they became a child of God (like you said they've jumped ahead).

To them I say "you can't lose what you never had, either." My next question is how to you understand you were saved?

One thing our church never did was disciple a new believer. We stuck them in a Sunday School class, but we desperately needed to appoint them a spiritual mentor, especially those who have some baggage or a backround that will keep pulling them to darkeness.

After those years of being a deacon and listening to people's "testimonies", I've come to believe that all our testimonies are the same = "something happened and I'm forever changed".

I love Paul's description "I have been crucified in Christ, it's no longer I that live, but Christ that lives in me. And the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who died for ME".[my paraphrase]

It is by grace, lest any man boast. But I see that in conditional salvation - their salvation depends on their maintaining it, which leads to all kinds of false doctrine like sinlessness, man-centered evangelism.

I truly believe the reason American Christianity is dying is b/c of false teaching & man-centered evangelism, both of which lead to a counterfeit salvation.

Speaking for myself, I know I will never totally understand "why me" but I will forever be in search of the God who did. 25 years of this let me smack into election, but that's a rabbit hole nobody wants to go down LOL.

That was pleasant to read.

Well my story Is my father who just passed away in January...God rest His Soul, was my Pastor..He had His Masters in Theology...

So this is where my beginnings started, being under His teachings.

My growth came in a certain area when I read the definition of eternal life.

It was not something necessarily we had to wait to receive when we died it could begin right now.

To know God and Jesus Christ...meant an intimate relationship that involved how to relate To God to be in His presence now..

So ultimately salvation's continuity, I'd presume, is also what we do with Christ now.

So one of the first steps or processes of salvation(deliverence) Is to be quickened to life......according to Ephesians 2

According to that passage in my thought,
the being made alive.....after being dead in trespasses and sin....was deliverance(salvation)

However being made alive is not all there is to to deliverence(salvation) because
God if you recall the passage: may your whole body, soul, and Spirit be preserved the day of the Lord, wants to save the whole person.

It would be scary if when we were physically born after 50 years we still looked like babies. That is not the point of life...a baby can't bear his fruit if He does not develop.

But back to the thought in Ephesians.....the reason why He saved us....1 is to destroy the works of the devil, another is so that we would live soberly and righteously in this present world looking for His Glorious appearing.....

We know God is not the God of the dead, God is the God of the living.....But if we stop
taking in his word, and receiving our substance from Him.....then as a branch on a tree shall not it die.

grace then could be said to mean God doing, or stepping in to help...in things we can't do in our own natural ability.

Did Adam and Eve have in themselves have ability to choose not to eat from the tree and keep God's command?

If so in the same light we have the ability to choose Him as our substance to remain in unto life....

I love what He told Abraham: I am your great reward....walk before me blameless and I'll make my covenant with you...So that begged a question for me. Did He save us merely so we could have heaven when we died or did our journey begin now.

Grace was not only God providing His son, but what the son did on our behalf.

Now if God want to save the whole person
The question is How is this done....And that may be a discussion of study for another time.

 

[JLB777]

I have heard both sides of this discussion and would like to hear others opinions on this subject. I agree with both sides of the argument but I kind of lean towards the side that's says that you can lose salvation. Here's why: Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26. However, I feel like these verses line up with OSAS: Philippians 1:6, John 10:28, and Ephesians 4:30. I could also see why OSAS is biblical because of John 6:37 and the story of the prodigal son. Can someone give their opinion on whether or not OSAS is true? Thanks in advance!

Can one of His sheep become lost?


What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:4-7

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Do the lost need salvation?




JLB

 

[JLB777]

So being a son did not save them! For gnashing of teeth is what wolves do.

The gnashing of teeth is what people in hell do.




JLB

 

[JLB777]

grace then could be said to mean God doing, or stepping in to help...in things we can't do in our own natural ability.

Yes, grace is the Holy Spirit; the Spirit of grace.


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? Hebrews 10:28-29


Grace, (the Spirit of grace), teaches (trains) us.


For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age, Titus 2:11-12




JLB

 

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The gnashing of teeth is what people in hell do.




JLB

Right, no argument there. That’s the most obvious exegetical meaning; But the wicked are also described as wolves in the Bible, too.

“Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” (Matthew 10:16).

Obviously at this point in history, the wolves here are these particular Jews who believe in God, so during Christ’s earthly ministry, these specific Jews were regarded as wicked towards God by their wrong beliefs and actions (Although on the other hand God does hold out hope for them in regards to the nation of Israel as being beloved - seeing they will repent in the future before Christ returns and on account of the 144,000).

 

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Can one of His sheep become lost?


What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
Luke 15:4-7

• Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.

Do the lost need salvation?




JLB

Indeed. And also why would they rejoice if the lost sheep was guaranteed to always be saved? If the lost sheep would always be saved no matter what, that would just be the normal operations of things or the status quo. Therefore, rejoicing in such a case would not make any sense. But if one could really be lost and not be saved anymore, then the parable of the lost sheep being saved is a reason for others to rejoice.

 

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The gnashing of teeth is what people in hell do.

JLB

This is a pic of a wolf… gnashing its teeth:

Here are men gnashing their teeth:

This is the same concept and or idea in what the wicked will do in hell.

 

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It’s not pretty to think about, but the good news is that one does not have to be in such a place. God gave us His grace through faith and an opportunity to live for Him as a means of escape.

 

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So for those who do not know the Lord…

 

[ReverendRV]

I have heard both sides of this discussion and would like to hear others opinions on this subject. I agree with both sides of the argument but I kind of lean towards the side that's says that you can lose salvation. Here's why: Hebrews 6:4-6 and Hebrews 10:26. However, I feel like these verses line up with OSAS: Philippians 1:6, John 10:28, and Ephesians 4:30. I could also see why OSAS is biblical because of John 6:37 and the story of the prodigal son. Can someone give their opinion on whether or not OSAS is true? Thanks in advance!

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[Jesus is YHWH]

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