Is 'once saved always saved' a biblical teaching?

[Abraham1st]

"In your name" (Mt 7:22) is a claim of faith.

false prophets may claim faith, they don't confess Christ they are antichrist spirit, and if they do profess, they deny Him in works as Matthew 7 reveals.

 

[Abraham1st]

"In your name" (Mt 7:22) is a claim of faith.

Matthew 7:15 BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL WORKS?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

Matthew 24:11 And MANY FALSE PROPHETS SHALL RISE, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and FALSE PROPHETS, and shall shew great SIGNS AND WONDERS; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the MYSTERY OF INIQUITY doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS,

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to SALVATION THROUGH SANCTIFICATIOON OF THE SPIRIT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH:
14 Whereunto he CALLED YOU BY OUR GOSPEL, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:13 And he DOETH GREAT WONDERS, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 

[Abraham1st]

"In your name" (Mt 7:22) is a claim of faith.

The false prophets come in His name, is what Jesus spoke about the false prophets, FALSE CHRISTS, for this end time, and as Matthew 7 speaks of also.. IN THAT DAY, and both accounts have the same activities of prophesying, and wonders/wonderful works.


If you forget about the casting out of evil spirits, if they did that truly, they could not speak evil at all of Christ as Mark 9 PROVED.



Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.



Mark 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

 

[Abraham1st]

We do have example of Christ having to stay strong right up until the end, to fulfil all things, so that is the end of once saved always, because all had to be done, or nothing was done.

We do have one apostle to the Gentiles, apostle Paul, who said to follow him for he follows Christ, so again that is the end of once saved alwas, as the words are to follow as he follows Christ, which as all the world knows or heard, is to finish all the things the Father gave the Son to do.

Lastly to totally wipe out once saved off the face of the earth, is we do then have that same example of apostle Paul, who again, did complete things the same way, right up until the end, so there is plenty to speak about but no other examples to follow.



John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.

Acts 13:25 And as John fulfilled his course, he said, Whom think ye that I am? I am not he. But, behold, there cometh one after me, whose shoes of his feet I am not worthy to loose.

Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

 

[Clare73]

Matthew 7:15 BEWARE OF FALSE PROPHETS, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many WONDERFUL WORKS?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.
Matthew 24:11 And MANY FALSE PROPHETS SHALL RISE, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and FALSE PROPHETS, and shall shew great SIGNS AND WONDERS; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the MYSTERY OF INIQUITY doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS,

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

2 Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to SALVATION THROUGH SANCTIFICATIOON OF THE SPIRIT AND BELIEF OF THE TRUTH:
14 Whereunto he CALLED YOU BY OUR GOSPEL, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:13 And he DOETH GREAT WONDERS, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

The issue is a claim of faith.

Mt 7:22-23 is a claim of faith.

 

[d taylor]

Specific?

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Paul states he received his gospel from Jesus. Jesus always taught to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life a person must believe in Him Jesus.

If that is not sufficient for you then go and preach your gospel you have constructed. As for me i will continue to tell people to believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

 

[Dan Perez]

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Paul states he received his gospel from Jesus. Jesus always taught to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life a person must believe in Him Jesus.

If that is not sufficient for you then go and preach your gospel you have constructed. As for me i will continue to tell people to believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life.

And this what ROMANS 1:1 SAYS !!

# 1 PAUL //. PAULOS. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

# 2 A SERVANT //. DOULOS in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 3 OF JESUS // IESOUS. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 4 CHRIST // CHRISTOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 5. CALLED //. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6. AN APOSTLE. //. APHORIZO. , in the PERFECT TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , is a PARTICIPLE. , in. the NOMINATIVE

CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 7 SEPARATED //. APHORIZO. and this Greek word means that. BOUNDARIES and also means that Paul

was LIMITED to only PREACH GODS GOSPEL. .

And IT was Romans 10:9. and 10 and Eph 2 :8. and Paul , never preached Water Baptism or preach the NEW

COVENANT

or preach being BORN of WAER and of the SPIRIT !!

dan p

 

[Spiritual Jew]

OSAS is only found in Pauline epistles, so its part of the revelation of the mystery to the Body of Christ.

What are you talking about? Does this look like OSAS to you...

Romans 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

 

[Guojing]

What are you talking about? Does this look like OSAS to you...

Romans 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

I didn't say EVERYWHERE in Pauline epistles.

Romans 9-11 is where Paul is talking specifically about the nation of Israel, so its not about the Body of Christ.

 

[ARBITER01]

What are you talking about? Does this look like OSAS to you...

Romans 11:19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off.

Point duly noted,.... but people on here will still make up some sort of silly claim to continue in their personal belief of OSAS instead of disciplining themselves to what scripture actually says.

 

[Abraham1st]

The issue is a claim of faith.

Mt 7:22-23 is a claim of faith.

Matthew 7, is a warning how to tell who is a false prophet.


Matthew 7:22-23, is included in that knowledge, of how to tell who is a false prophet.


There cant be an issue to a claim of faith, as you had said yourself, it is NO FAITH. (SO THERE IS NO ISSUE OF A CLAIM OF FAITH, THERE, THERE IS NO FAITH THERE.)

If I went with no proof at all of ownership of a house, no relation to that house at all, how can I make a claim of that house, to a court, they would just want me gone away from them, for wasting their time entirely. (DEPART FROM ME YOU WORKERS OF INIQUITY/NO CLAMS AT ALL, I NEVER KNEW YOU/NEVER HEARD ANY CLAIM AT ALL.)

 

[Abraham1st]

And this what ROMANS 1:1 SAYS !!

# 1 PAUL //. PAULOS. , in. the NOMINATIVE CASE. in. the SINGULAR

# 2 A SERVANT //. DOULOS in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 3 OF JESUS // IESOUS. , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 4 CHRIST // CHRISTOS , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 5. CALLED //. in. the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 6. AN APOSTLE. //. APHORIZO. , in the PERFECT TENSE , in. the PASSIVE VOICE , is a PARTICIPLE. , in. the NOMINATIVE

CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 7 SEPARATED //. APHORIZO. and this Greek word means that. BOUNDARIES and also means that Paul

was LIMITED to only PREACH GODS GOSPEL. .

And IT was Romans 10:9. and 10 and Eph 2 :8. and Paul , never preached Water Baptism or preach the NEW

COVENANT

or preach being BORN of WAER and of the SPIRIT !!

dan p

I answered you on this just before didn't I, how Paul did preach Jesus, and Jesus did preach what He was fulfilling to the world, but to the Jew first.

 

[Abraham1st]

I didn't say EVERYWHERE in Pauline epistles.

Romans 9-11 is where Paul is talking specifically about the nation of Israel, so its not about the Body of Christ.

Israel, Gentiles, all get cut off for the same thing, there are no different rules about faith, it is one faith, one Lord who is over all.


Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

 

[Abraham1st]

Point duly noted,.... but people on here will still make up some sort of silly claim to continue in their personal belief of OSAS instead of disciplining themselves to what scripture actually says.

Nobody can discipline themselves, that's disciples of men, but God can and does have HIs own disciples, own sheep.


Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

 

[Clare73]

Matthew 7, is a warning how to tell who is a false prophet.

Do false prophets have true saving faith?

They do not, or they would not be false.